test-drb January 1999

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by Marty＠itgonline.com

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: GRID LAPTOP Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 1/19/99 5:56 PM At 04:30 PM 1/19/99 -0500, you wrote: > While out junking at lunch I met a gent who said he has a Grid Laptop > with a metal case (he said this model went to the moon) and uses > bubble memory. He said he'd entertain selling it but I've no idea what > to offer. Any ideas on what to offer or any info on this laptop? I'd > appreciate and info. Could be any one of several models. If it really uses Bubble Memory, it's probably a Compass (model 11xx). That, I'd pay a bit of money for, maybe as much as $50 if it's working. More likely, it's a GRiDCase and maybe worth $20 at most. If, on the other hand, it's a Convertible (2260 or 2270), you're talking real money again; I'd pay $100 for a 2270. >>The one that was used on the shuttle (I don't think the shuttle ever >>landed on the moon?) was (iirc) the GRiDPad 19xx, see my other message >>about those. All those years of killing brain cells are finally catching up to me. It's been a rough day and I wasn't thinking. Thanks for the info. I don't really need another pc but you know how that goes.... If it turns out to be a 1535 (or other model with both the Gas Plasma screen and battery power), let Derek Peschel know; he's been looking for one for a while. (I have been trying to find one unsuccessfully for him.) Aside from the bubble memory and the magnesium case, btw, the Compass was the first of the clamshell style computers. Beat the Gavilan by half a year at least. (And no, the Gavilan wasn't the second clamshell either.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1999Jan19.175615.1767.93725; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:56:16 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id OAA16070; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:52:46 -0800 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA2 4602 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:52:40 -0800 Received: from uxl.longs.com (uxl.longs.com [199.108.9.10]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.9.2+UW99.01/8.9.2+UW99.01) with ESMTP id OAA31 551 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:52:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sinasohn ([10.24.180.117]) by axh.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAAFFA4 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:50:14 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19990119145248.2a7f1538(a)ricochet.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:53:14 -0800 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn(a)ricochet.net> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: GRID LAPTOP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: sinasohn(a)ricochet.net X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

25 years, 11 months

GRID LAPTOP

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Were all the Grids in a metal case with bubble memory? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: GRID LAPTOP Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 1/19/99 4:53 PM On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Marty wrote: > While out junking at lunch I met a gent who said he has a Grid Laptop > with a metal case (he said this model went to the moon) and uses > bubble memory. He said he'd entertain selling it but I've no idea what > to offer. Any ideas on what to offer or any info on this laptop? I'd > appreciate and info. The first GRiD was made in 1982, and I don't think we've been to the moon since a bit before that. However, several models of GRiDs were used in the space shuttle. Find out which model it is, first. The early models are pretty hard to find (I think less than 10,000 were made). If you're thinking of paying Real Money (TM), let me sell you one of mine! -- Doug ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1999Jan19.165321.1767.93695; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:53:22 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id NAA03303; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:50:59 -0800 Received: from mxu2.u.washington.edu (mxu2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.9]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA1 2986 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:50:51 -0800 Received: from genco.haggle.com (IDENT:doug@genco.haggle.com [209.49.57.4]) by mxu2.u.washington.edu (8.9.2+UW99.01/8.9.2+UW99.01) with ESMTP id NAA27 201 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:50:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by genco.haggle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA26623 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:50:40 -0500 Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.3.95.990119164647.22135D-100000(a)genco.haggle.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:50:40 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Doug <doug(a)blinkenlights.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: GRID LAPTOP In-Reply-To: <1999Jan19.162855.1767.182582(a)smtp.itgonline.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> X-Sender: doug(a)genco.haggle.com X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

25 years, 11 months

OT Re: Reading age of 3 (was: Re: Computers for children)

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 02:09 PM 1/17/99 -0400, you wrote: >> The school system's inabaility to deal with anything other >> than the mean (which they insist on defining) is one of the >> primary reasons home schooling has really taken off the last >> few years. > >It's worse than that. It's not even the mean anymore. It's the >lowest student. Um, no. The teachers at my girlfriend's school (and all the schools she works with) spend many (unpaid) hours every year planning the classes so as to accomodate the differing needs of all their students. Things like slower 1st graders are combined with advanced kindergartners so that they're best able to meet the needs of all the kids. There are many reasons why kids these days are not being educated as well as they should be. Perhaps some of the blame belongs to the "System" -- any bureaucracy can thwart the best efforts of the dedicated -- and there are indeed some people who should not be teachers. BUT, Much of the problem, if not most, however, should be placed squarely on the shoulders of those at fault: The parents[1]. (Aka voters.) No one likes to think they've screwed up their own kids and done a crappy job as a parent, so they blame the teachers. The politicians don't want to insult the voters, so they blame the teachers too, and add to the bureaucracy. Meanwhile, you have underpaid teachers, buying their own supplies, working 12 hour days, trying to teach kids whose parents proclaim "I AM NOT A TEACHER!" on the kid's homework, and tell their kids that if someone does something they don't like, they should hit them. I've done some teaching back when I was young and stupid. I got smart and gave it up because a) it's way too much work to do it right, b) it pays pretty crappy, and c) kids are a PITA. Give it a try, and then come back and tell me it's the teacher's fault. [1] If you read to your kids every day, spend your non-working time taking them to museums, plays, camping, etc., work with them on what they're interested in, even if it means giving up watching football, spending time with your friends, and so on, then this doesn't apply to you. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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GRiDPad 1910's

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

I have a line on quite a few GRiDPad 19xx computers. These are the keyboardless slates sometimes called "post-it" computers, due to the ease of just sticking them on a wall or anywhere convenient. I believe they were also used on the shuttle at one point. They are DOS machines, 8088 I believe. These machines appear to be in pretty decent shape, with nice cases. The ones I saw were 1910's, but there may be some 1900 or other, similar models in the bunch. They are untested, and I don't know if they come with pens or not. I think I can get them for $15-20 each. Shipping in the US would probably be around $3-5. Figure less than $25 total. (I will seriously try to get them for less, and I won't be making anything on these.) If there is interest, I'll pursue it further; if not, I'll grab a couple for myself and let the rest go whereever they want. Please reply off-list! (We don't need a zillion "I want one!" messages spewing all over the 'net.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

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Is this a telco switch? Or a PBX?

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Come across something in the basement. Working on making it mine. It's a 6" rack labeled "[Bell logo] DIMENSION". Has a serial port and lots of trunk connectors. Is this a telco switch? -------

25 years, 11 months

Apple II FAQ location?

by mcdonoughk＠un.org

>:: Now that Nathan Mates is no longer maintaining the Apple II FAQ, who is? >::I just wanted to update the local copies of some of my FAQs. >:: Check out http://www.lib.ox.ac.uk/internet/news/faq/comp.sys.apple2.html -- Kirk

25 years, 11 months

Teac FD-55FV-13-U

by Mzthompson＠aol.com

On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: > Does anyone have the specs for a Teac FD-55FV-13-U 5 1/4" floppy drive >or the URL of a website with specs for Floppy drives? Here's the info on all FD-55's I found on some website long ago. I don't have the URL anymore. Mike MANUFACTURER MODEL NO. WDTH. HGT. UNFMT'D FORMT'D RPM RATE ACC. LATN. /IN. CYLs TRKs /TRK +12v +5v (HRS) WEIGHT ADDITIONAL COMMENTS -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ TEAC FD-55A 5.25 HALF 250KB 180KB 300 250Kb 93ms 100ms 48 40 40 16 0.3A 0.4A 10K 1500g SINGLE SIDED TEAC FD-55BR 5.25 HALF 500K 360KB 300 250Kb 93ms 100ms 48 40 80 16 0.3A 0.4A 20K 1500g TEAC FD-55E 5.25 HALF 500KB 360KB 300 250Kb 93ms 100ms 96 80 80 16 0.3A 0.4A 10K 1500g SINGLE SIDED TEAC FD-55FV 5.25 HALF 1.0MB 720KB 300 250Kb 93ms 100ms 96 80 160 16 0.3A 0.4A 10K 1500g TEAC FD-55GFR 5.25 HALF 1.6MB 1.20MB DUAL 500Kb 91ms 83ms 96 80 160 15 0.3A 0.4A 20K 1500g DUAL SPEED TEAC FD-55GR 5.25 HALF 1.6MB 1.20MB 360 500Kb 91ms 83ms 96 77 154 15 0.3A 0.4A 10K 1500g TEAC FD-55GS 5.25 HALF 1.6MB 1.20MB DUAL 500Kb 91ms 83ms 96 80 160 15 0.3A 0.4A 20K 1500g DUAL SPEED, SCSI

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Long term data storage (was: Disasters and Recovery

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

>> A recent program on Stonehenge on the Discovery channel said the RAF wanted to >> level Stonehenge with explosives, but the person who owned the land they were >> on refused to let them. *boggle* Is it just me, or does all this suggest >> that in the 1930s and early 40s good maps were much harder to come by than > > A lot of it was propaganda to the British public to convince them how > important the war was.... > > Of course there were maps. Ordnance Survey maps were originally produced > for military use (hence the name), but nowadays are available just about > anywhere in the UK (most bookshops keep at least the local ones). During > the war they were probably impossible to obtain, but before the war, trivial. > > And you can bet they had got them in Germany as well. After all, the > British certainly had German maps. Yes, the Germans had good maps of Britain. At Bletchley I say on display a German map of the UK 132kV electrical grid, as it was in 1938... > The other thing that worries me is that Stonehenge is not the best > landmark in that area. Salisbury Cathedral's spire is probably a lot > easier to see from a distance. Unique. But not so distinctive. Stonehenge is obviously Stonehenge. Salisbury Cathedral is random_large_church_with_tall_spire. Seriously, if I emerged from cloud somewhere in the South of England, and saw Stonehenge, I'd know exactly where I was. If I emerged and saw Salisbury, I could probably work it out, but it would be a lot harder. But the original report - that Stonehenge was flattened - looks like a clear case of local telling tall story to American tourist... Philip.

25 years, 11 months

Preserving for the distant future (was: Re: Disasters and Recovery)

by Philip.Belben＠pgen.com

> There were comments that the Dead Sea scrools were on parchment rather > than paper. True. There are Egyptian papyri that are older than the > Dead Sea scrolls (some retaining quite a bit of color). To be pedantic, also not paper. They dried the reeds and glued strips together, rather than pulping them. No acid in the treatment for a start... Now, as for what the best paper is, not far from my parents' they still make paper by hand at Wookey Hole Mill. Originally set up to recycle cloth, they now import raw cotton from the US (recycled cloth contains too much artificial fibre). But the treatment for the rags was to boil them up in caustic soda (NaOH), not acid... I think linen (flax) fibres make pretty good paper. Manila (?sp) fibres make strong envelopes. How about printing on Tyvek? That stuff's pretty indestructible. > And yes, there's the chiselled stone media. If somebody can get me a > good source for affordable media, I'll start work on a printer (I > think the headstone folks have some items that could be built into a > prototype). I don't know whether you can get the stuff in the US, but in the UK slate was used extensively as a roofing material until quite recently (you can still get new slates, but most new buildings use modern composite materials in roof tiles). Most building salvage places will sell you secondhand roofing slates by the box. Not suitable for chiselling, though - better to use some sort of grinding tip on a miniature hand drill. Another suggestion. The Mormons claim their scripture was preserved on metal plates (metal foil?) for well over 2000 years. You could ask for specifications - alas, the originals have mysteriously vanished... Philip.

25 years, 11 months

Sanyo 16LT

by userf＠clara.net

Sorry I forgot the CPU runs at 8MHZ and it looks like any other laptop from the outside. Rob -----Original Message----- From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: 19 January 1999 12:21 Subject: Re: Sanyo 16LT >At 09:30 PM 1/18/99 -0000, you wrote: >>I have recently aquired the above notepad computer I wonder if anyone has >any > > > I used a Sanyo for years and used to keep up with their stuff but I've >never heard of one. How old is it? Can you post a picture? > > Joe > > >

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