David Greelish, the publisher of Historically Brewed has just recently
relocated for a new job to North Carolina (I think) and is probably taking
some time to get his feet planted again....
I'll give him a buzz and see what the status of HB is.
Mike:dogas@leading.net
-----Original Message-----
From: John R. Keys Jr. <jrkeys(a)concentric.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 7:48 PM
Subject: RE: The Computer Journal
>Historically Brewed was to have started back up late last year but I have
>yet receive one issue from them and no response to e-mails for a refund.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu
>> [mailto:CLASSICCMP-owner@u.washington.edu]On Behalf Of Sam Ismail
>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 11:38 AM
>> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
>> Subject: Re:The Computer Journal
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Dave Dameron wrote:
>>
>> > Is The Computer Journal still in business? Their web site is
>> still up, but I
>> > cannot tell when it was last updated. I subscribed last July and
haven't
>> > yet received any issues. (In October they were working on the next one,
>> > #82...) That is about my threshold for non delivery, I
>> > wrote and sent email asking for a refund and have gotten no response.
>>
>> They've been busy. I subscribed over a year ago and have gotten only a
>> few issues of my subscription. Since I know they're good guys and would
>> never intentionally screw anyone I am not bitching about it, but I
>> certainly do understand your plight. Keep trying, they are definitely
>> still around, just not responding.
>>
>> > Speaking of classic computer magazines, does anyone get
>> Historically Brewed?
>>
>> As far as I know this wasn't being published anymore(?)
>>
>> Sellam Alternate e-mail:
>> dastar(a)siconic.com
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------------
>> Always being hassled by the man.
>>
>> Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0
>> See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details!
>> [Last web site update: 01/15/99]
>>
>>
>
>
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
>Computer collecting was a lot more fun when you could grab a random
>machine for a few pounds/dollars, take it home and enjoy it.
I agree. That's why I hate the commercialization now occuring in this
hobby. I't just about gaurantees that there will be few newcomers into the
hobby that can amass the bit piles many of us own and love to explore.
Mike: dogas(a)leading.net
Anybody help this guy out?
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee P. Adams [mailto:adamsl@letu.edu]
Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 3:08 PM
Subject: S-100 Boards
Hi,
I am a Senior Computer Science & Engineering student at LeTourneau
Univ, in Longview, TX and for my Senior Design we have to design a SBC
(single board computer), not a big deal. Now here is the trick the
school has an old system that uses the S-100 type interface boards and
they don't have anymore. Do you have any that you would part with/
Thakns in advance.
Lee P. Adams
Anyone have need for a fully populated 512k 8 bit RAM card, pulled from
a fully working XT that had a 256k motherboard in it?
Make a fair offer and remember that there will be a $3.25 or so shipping
fee by USPS on it, should be able to go priority as cheaply as regular
parcel post. USA and APO/FPO only please. First come first serve, I only
have the one.
These are relatively small boxes, i.e. on the order of the AT&T 6300's, but
not purely rectangular in front profile. They are brown in color (just a
guess, as I'm "chromatically challenged" and somewhat larger than the AT&T
box.
By the way, it seems to me that we (you and I ) were discussing ( via email
) the transfer of a number of S-100 components I was planning to discard.
I was pretty sick back then, about a year ago, but now that the MD is on
top of what's wrong I'm more or less functional again. You were, ( I
believe ) interested in various S-100 video boards I have. One of them is
a Microangelo, but was hacked by a friend and later given to me. I'd be
happy to take up that discussion again, if you're interested. As before,
all I want is the cost of packaging and shipping. I've had these for a
long time and don't use them and, in many cases, never have.
Last summer I donated ten or a dozen terminals and nearly as many
daisywheel printers to the local thrift store (a charitable organization)
just to take the writeoffs. I paid lots of $$$ for some of this stuff and
don't just want to toss it, so, I'm looking for a "good" home.
regards,
Dick
----------
> From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Alto II
> Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 12:03 PM
>
> On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Richard Erlacher wrote:
>
> > If you can give me some guidance as to numbers, etc of the devices
you're
> > after, or for that matter, what you don't want, I'll make sure you
don't
> > end up with something you don't want.
> >
> > I have to go back there because my better half likes to visit the place
and
> > hasn't finished her search.
>
> Sorry, I didn't mean to imply it was a waste of time! Far from it. The
> Altos boxes are neat. They're just not exciting as an S-100 box (which
at
> first glance you would think they are, but they aren't).
>
> I'm sure there's someone interested in adding these computers to their
> collection (I have 2 or 3 myself) but the shipping charges on them would
> be so extreme that most people would decline.
>
> Sellam Alternate e-mail:
dastar(a)siconic.com
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> Always being hassled by the man.
>
> Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0
> See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details!
> [Last web site update: 01/15/99]
If you can give me some guidance as to numbers, etc of the devices you're
after, or for that matter, what you don't want, I'll make sure you don't
end up with something you don't want.
I have to go back there because my better half likes to visit the place and
hasn't finished her search.
Dick
----------
> From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Alto II
> Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 10:42 AM
>
> On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Richard Erlacher wrote:
>
> > I was at a local thrift store yesterday and spotted a couple of oddly
> > shaped boxes with a designation indicating them to be ALTOS boxes. One
has
> > a tape drive of some sort and the other has a floppy disk drive. Does
this
> > mean anything to anyone? IF someone wants them, I could snag them and
> > ship. I doubt they will cost much more than $10 each.
>
> They are multi-user CP/M (or MP/M) machines circa 1982-1986, mentioned
> here from time to time (we really need a comprehensive database that
> describes these machines so that people can reference the database before
> posting about the same stuff over and over). Having nothing to do with
an
> Alto, they are worth anywhere from free to whatever someone would be
> willing to pay (which may surprise/shock you).
>
> Sellam Alternate e-mail:
dastar(a)siconic.com
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> Always being hassled by the man.
>
> Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0
> See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details!
> [Last web site update: 01/15/99]
On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Bill Yakowenko wrote:
> 2. Nothing PC- or Mac-compatible can ever be classic. Sorry, that's
> just an indisputable fact. :-)
How about a VAX emulating a PC?
> 5. The ten year rule should apply to the date when a thing dropped off
> in popularity; if it was still in common use eight years ago, it is
> not yet classic. (Justification: if it is still in common use,
> there will be other places to discuss it.)
How do you define 'common'? What percent of the population must use it?
What if it's uncommon in my city and common in yours?
> 6. Do I really need to add "IMHO" here? :-)
No. If you don't add one, I won't add one.
At 09:35 AM 1/25/99 -0800, Sam Ismail wrote:
>
>But unless you have a wireless portable that you don't mind hauling around
>with you, a book is more convenient to take on your hunting trips for
>quick reference.
Any portable device with a display and storage abilities (on floppy
or RAM) of a meg or so could easily contain such a web page, as text.
Even a book won't beat a brain when it comes to being able to spot a
significant device hidden in a pile of other junk. That, after all,
is what each of us has trained our brain to do when on expedition
to an auction or a warehouse.
- John
] On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Doug <doug(a)blinkenlights.com> wrote:
] Subject: Re: Legitimacy of the Ten Year Rule.
]
] On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, Buck Savage wrote:
... snippage ...
]
] A "universal" rating/certification system, similar to the way coins are
] graded, would be ideal. But I don't think you'll ever get this group to
] agree on anything -- just do it! (And then sell a book.)
]
] Forget the word "classic". A guide that gives production numbers,
] variations, years, criteria to judge condition, price, etc. would be cool
] -- I'd buy one, and I'd buy a new copy every year as you updated prices
] and other info.
]
] Start with Hans P's list of machines (and pay him royalties).
]
] -- Doug
I don't believe it. *THIS*, coming from the same guy that blew
his stack over his secret bargain bid getting exposed? Which do
you want, well-known (and high) dollar-tags attached to everything,
or obscurity and bargains? You can't have both.
We have a choice between an entrenched mainstream collector's
marketplace, with standard price guides, and with all the neat stuff
ending up in investors' display cases, off-limits to mere hobbyists;
or an unrecognized garage-sale niche marketplace, with dispute as
to the value of anything, but with many of these machines clanking
away in our basements.
It seems we have no real choice about it, we will eventually end up
with the former. But there is no need to hurry it. Especially if
you are one to bitch when one of your bargain-basement bids get
exposed and immediately out-bid.
Bill.
>>Ouch!. 8" disks are difficult to find, 5.25" disks are difficult to find
>>(what about 1.2 Mbyte ones - are they still available?), 3" disks are
>>impossible to find. I'd better start hoarding them...
>
> You can still buy 8", 5.25" HD and 3" disks. Trouble is, they may be
*Really*
> expensive; I noticed on the Imation web site a couple of months ago that
(from
> memory) a box of 8" disks was over US$100.
>
> 3" disks are still available new from at least one place in the UK,
though they
> are over 2 pounds each.
This sounds useful. Do you have any more information (like the URL of the
Imation web site) please?
Philip.
