This one is a no brainer. I scrapped a Compucolor 8001 once. It was a STD Bus
8080 Computer board set mounted in a compucolor comercial color terminal. This
terminal was a large metal box with a 19 inch monitor inside. It weighed 70 or
80 pounds. No one would have wanted it in their house. It was ugly, huge, very
unwieldy and heavy. You could attach a 8" hard drive, 8" or 5 " floppys and
any other interface availiable on STD bus that would fit in a near full 6 slot
backplane. No comparison to an Apple II, which many people wanted in their
homes.
Paxton
Setting 17" monitors on the box is normal. The CPU can handle it.
Most of the connection cables aren't long enough to do otherwise
anyway. :-(
Openstep 4.2 on NeXT hardware does Windows Networking (Samba). If
you have a printer you can even set up your entire NeXT machine as a
postscript printer from Windows and have at it!
There is also an Appletalk server available for it [free] that is a
double-clickable application.
You probably won't have much need for Netinfo. Nevertheless it's
easiest to use the Simple Networking application in /NextAdmin, enter
an IP address and set it up as a Netinfo server.
Before doing this, go into /etc and copy the default netinfo
directory s.t. you have a spare copy. So if you mess up your netinfo
database while you're getting started you can boot in single user
mode and start over. Also make a copy of the default /etc/hostconfig
file. [Call them hostconfig.default and netinfo.default if you
like]
More specifically...
cd /etc
cp -r netinfo netinfo.default
cp hostconfig hostconfig.default
If you have any problems let me know...
Thomas
As the subject says I've got a couple of REALLY basic questions. I picked
up my first NeXT box yesterday, and am getting ready to start playing with
it. Is it safe to set the 17" monitor on top of the box? The box seems
rather flimsy for that. Also is there anything I should be aware of when
initially powering the thing on? Does it need to be attached to my network
prior to powering on?
Basically I've got enough experience with OPENSTEP 4.2 x86 to know that I
want to ask some really stupid questions prior to trying anything :^)
Oh, and what's the story with the DSP port on the back?
Zane
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Hi, folks,
I just posted a blurb to the Usenet groups comp.sys.dec and
comp.sys.dec.micro to start moving most of the stuff I rescued a while
back from Fluke up in Everett. I'm CC'ing this to Dave Jenner as I
think he was one of the folks who wanted some of the rescued gear.
If this isn't true, Dave, please pardon the post.
Some explanation is, I feel, in order as to why I didn't post
here first (as I normally would have).
When I first picked the stuff up, my contact said that there
had been considerable interest in the stuff, though my response had
apparently come in first. He later forwarded me an E-mail containing
the contact info for the others who had responded, since I had made a
promise to redistribute the stuff after I decided what I wanted to keep.
Due to my own clumsiness, this E-mail has gone astray. Since my
Fluke contact's original message advertising the stuff had gone to the
same two groups I posted my latest blurb to, I figured it would be a
good bet to do the same thing under the assumption that the same people
would see this and get in touch with me.
So, there you have it. I'm more concerned with finding the
stuff a good home than anything else, though I did make a request for a
contribution of $25 to help cover the time off from work and
gas/wear/tear on my car (it was a fairly long trip).
Let's see how it goes....
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terms. It cannot possibly define any of them..."
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> And 'The ANSI labeled tape spec' is available where.... ?
Should've answered this in the previous message: you can order a copy
>from http://www.ansi.org/, the designation is ANSI X3.27, and it costs
US$32.00.
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> And 'The ANSI labeled tape spec' is available where.... ?
ANSI sells copies - I don't know the current price. The one I carry
around with me is ANSI X3.27-1978, "File Structure and Labeling
of Magnetic Tapes for Information Interchange". There's a more recent
Level 4 document that makes the (obvious) Y2K-compliance workaround
the "official" solution, but I can't find my copy at the moment (I
may very well have left it at a customer's site... oops!)
>> When dealing with RT-11 (not ll!) tapes under VMS, please keep
>> in mind the very detailed advice in the RT-11 "Volume and File
>> Formats Manual", pages 1-37 through 1-39.
> Easier kept in mind when the mind in question actually has *access*
>to the aforementioned document; this one does not. :(
Get me a fax number and I'll send you the relevant pages.
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>A tape from a PDP-11 would ahve to be mounted foreign as it's a non
>files-11 format.
>Allison
Gees, Allison, I've been interchanging tapes between VMS and RT-11 and RSX-11
for years and I don't have to mount them foreign :-).
You will very likely want to review section 1.2.2 in your "RT-11
Volume and File Formats Manual" to get the straight dope RT-11 <-> VMS
file interchange. In particular, it notes how RT-11 uses
80-byte HDR1 records now. If anybody *really* wants to get into
minutae, we can begin a discussion about whether ANSI Standard X3.27-1978
requires that headers be exactly 80 bytes or whether it just sets forth
the interpretation of the first 80 bytes. I don't have a copy of the
level 4 standard with me at the moment, but I don't think this makes
it any clearer. In any event, the level-4 compliant versions of RT-11's
FSM handlers in RT-11 V5.7 only write 80 byte headers, so it's now a
moot point.
And tell any RSX devotee that his magtapes must be mounted /FOREIGN
on a VAX and he'll teach you about something called an ACP :-).
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For anyone in the Portland area I just met a most interesting Computer
Recycler. Unlike the standard Horror stories I hear, he's working out of
an apartment complex he apparently runs. He's got a ton of stuff
squirreled away, and would rather sell to people that will reuse it, but if
that doesn't work out, or if he doesn't think he can resell it, it gets
recycled.
Stuff I saw:
IBM System III Model 50
A very interesting little Tek terminal on it's own stand
A lot of Apollo Domain
A lot of HP stuff including an interesting rack mounted system with,
a 9-track drive.
Sun stuff (I've got a friend that bought a complete Sparc 10 system
from
him)
More PC stuff than you can shake a stick a
Some NeXT stuff (which I got most or all of)
Stuff I got:
Some tape drives, mostly DAT and an old 8mm (think I cleaned him
out of
DAT
Toshba CD-ROM (My Alpha loves it, and the DAT I hooked up)
NeXT B&W Turbo slab system/32Mb RAM/1Gb HD/keyboard/mouse/monitor
haven't tried it yet, so no idea how it works. Also no
idea if
it has an OS on it
NeXT MO drive
I let him know that there are people looking for a lot of the stuff he
didn't seem to think anyone would want. A good example being Amiga and
Atari systems. I've also asked him to let me know when any DEC stuff shows
up.
Zane
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First:
$ help copy
$ help backup
$ help files
under vms should be helpful as it nominally goes down to examples.
< Distant memory time... As far as copying files to the tape, did you
< initialize it prior to MOUNTing it?
< $ INIT MSA0: TEST !TEST being the volume name assigned to the tape
That is correct.
< $ MOUNT MSA0: TEST !tape "mounts", and is given the logical name
< "TEST".
It's mount/foreign msa0:
< $ COPY DUA0:[MYDIRECTORY]FILENAME.EXT TEST:FILENAME.EXT !file spec is
< an example.......
$backup/log/image DUA0: MSA0:test.bak/sav
<
< /FOREIGN, and use
< "BACKUP".
Yep!
A tape from a PDP-11 would ahve to be mounted foreign as it's a non
files-11 format.
Allison
> On my now beautifully working uVAX II (thanks again Allison!) I
>have a Cipher 9trk and a TK50... I have the MIcro VMS User's Manuals
>VOL I & II. I understand the concept of mounting the devices and
>allocating them (sort of), and I have successfully loaded, mounted,
>allocated, and initialized a roll of tape on the Cipher. I have made
>a Test directory on the HD called [TEST] ;} on which I have created
>a couple of simple text files. I have tried to copy these files to
>the tape (MSA0:), and it does *something*, the tape advances and the
>HD led flickers, but when I try to copy these files back, all I get
>are sequentially numbered blank directory entries.
Some very important questions that need to be answered:
1. Which version of VMS?
2. What commands did you use? The *exact* commands, with all qualifiers.
You know, it is *very* hard for us to tell what you did wrong unless
you tell us exactly what you did! It sounds like you may have
very well mounted the tape /FOREIGN, in which case there is no
file name associated with each file. (See the ANSI labeled tape
spec for more details about what /FOREIGN isn't doing for you :-) )
> I mounted/foreign an RT-ll sig tape, and tried to copy it to the
>HD; same thing. Show/Dev/MSA0: shows the right Volume Label.. but
>the directories are empty when I copy them back...
Again, what commands? If you MOU/FOR the tape, by default there
is no "file name" associated with each file, and on a copy back you
will get files named "." (apparently what you are seeing).
When dealing with RT-11 (not ll!) tapes under VMS, please keep
in mind the very detailed advice in the RT-11 "Volume and File
Formats Manual", pages 1-37 through 1-39.
Finally, don't forget "/LOG" if you want to know what each
COPY command is really doing for you :-).
As a basic test of ANSI labeled tape functionality under VMS, try this:
INIT MSA0: TEST (if it complains, use /OVER=(ID,ACCESS) )
MOUNT MSA0: TEST
COPY LOGIN.COM MSA0:
DIR MSA0:
COPY MSA0:LOGIN.COM []LOGIN2.COM
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