During my last year in high school in Kensington, Maryland in 1969 an
IBM 1103 was installed with about twenty terminals for student use. I
never used the 1103 although I 'majored' in data processing which
included IBM EAM (Electronic Accounting Machine) plug board wiring and
operation (sorting, collating, keypunching, verifying, gang punching
printing etc. etc. by the way, if anybody has an old plug board
available for sale or trade I would be most grateful). I LOVED the old
punch card gear. It was fun wiring plug boards.
Marty
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Subject: Re: IBM 1130 Was: Re: Linux on S/370? Was: Re: printer socke
Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 9/22/98 11:10 PM
> Yeah man! Where???????!!!!!!! I'll rent a tent and camp out at the place
> which has one until either they get tired of it or that Y2K thing obsoletes
> it. W. Donzelli would be camping right next to me I think.
No, I will be letting the air of your car's tires.
> Seriously, that would be, in my opinion, the most excellent find! As I
> mentioned, I have never heard of any around these days. They were, I
> believe, not the typical mainline computers one would hear of in business
> like the S/360's and S/370's. Weren't they more used in R&D and academia
> because of their ability to handle number crunching not so much as
> databases like a business application would?
I know little about 1103s, but they were indeed built for number crunching
for people that could not afford a big S/360. The 1103 is related to the
1800, used for process control (leading to the S/7).
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
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From: William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net>
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I have just gotten an original box, foam pads inside that has a manual
and modem inside, probably unused. It says it's a Motorola UDS 201 BC,
made for Motorola by Universal Data Systems of Huntsville AL. The
manual says it's copyright 1986. Has the cable to connect to the regular
RJ11 lines (telco) and and RJ45 connector on back to hook in multline
phones or regular lines dependant upon the cable used. It also has a 25
pin d-sub on back but it's a female, marked DTE and the manual says its
an RS-232C connection. Pretty much like any external modem except for
the front switch positions. It's a rotary switch with the following
positions:
RDLIST
RDL
LDL
AL
DATA
TLK
TTP
RTP
ST
and it has 8 leds that are marked
MR/RI
TR
RS
CS
CD
RD
TD
TM
My guess is that it will do a multitude of things more than a stock dial
up modem. Many of you that have been into his stuff when it was new
probably know all about it.
Anyone willing to make a trade of some standard PC oriented stuff? PS/2
items? make me an offer if you want this as I don't think it's worth
much in $$ but a lot to someone that uses this type of equipment or for
their collection. A little high brow for me.
>How about what should be line 0, using the gun to prevent the rest of
>the instructions being necessary?
>
You mean: 1) use the gun to shoot the computer (shades of the 3 laws of
robotics), or 2) use the gun to shoot the politicians who started the war?
Bill Richman
incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r
(Home of the COSMAC Elf
microcomputer simulator!)
Shouldn't you destroy the manual too?
>
>> The last chapter of my "Gun Direction Computer M15" manual has a
section
>> on destroying the computer if it should fall into enemy hands:
>
>Instructions ("destructions" as Greenback and Stilletto would say) like
>this are common in military tech manuals - at least ones that have even
>the smallest chance of being near the front.
>
>William Donzelli
>william(a)ans.net
>
>
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I have an Osborne 1 in good operating condition with all
original software and some additional software looking for a
good home. Anyone there interested?
This email address was published in the Asbury Park Press.
Jim Winer
firebird(a)exit109.com
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< It's not unheard of for a domestic mains supply in the UK to be 240V @
< 80A or even 100A. If I had a PDP10, you can be sure I'd find a way to ge
< such a supply.
In the USA (MA) 100-200A service pannels are common with both 120/240
ouputs typically under 15A for 120 loops and veriable for the 240. It's
fairly trivial to drop a 30A 240 single phase and in my garage I have a
plug for one if needed.
KL10 8KW is likely not real but a max.
< Ouch. That's about 25% efficient. Sorry, but that does need to be
< redesigned, particularly if it's a switcher.!
for that kind of efficientcy it would have to be a very poor linear
as most of them are in the 45-65% range. I'm skeptical that the input
load is really 8KW and in reality far less. I'm inclined to believe
something more in the range of 4kw is the truth.
For example I'm running 4 VS3100s and the name plate says 5.8A at 120v
on the back of the /m76 yet the /M10E it's only 1.2A... the reson is the
/m76 can daisy chan the AC power out to another box (switched) but the
internal power supply is only a 150w switcher needing 1.2A. The
underline is that 8kw may well be the AC distribution bus load not the
local processor power load.
< > However, RP06 drives are another matter entirely. They need three-pha
< > power for their motors. I'm reluctant to try the capacitor trick.
That works well if the values are right. Keep in mind that the motors
are running under a mostly static load so despite their size and power
they are running at a fraction of their full load power.
< There are electronic 3-phase converters sold in the UK (and I think
< Elektor published as design for one). They are typically used for small
< (2-3hp) motors on machine tools. I would guess that an RP06 would run of
< one of those without any problems.
Rotary converter, low efficentcy but they work and can be built.
Allison
I have a nice one, I just need the special DOS for it...
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe [mailto:rigdonj@intellistar.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 12:50 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: For Sale/Trade at the VCF - plus want list
Kai,
I have a bunch of extra HP 150s. How many do you want?
Joe
At 03:26 PM 9/22/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Here's a PARTIAL list of the stuff I'll have in my booth at the Vintage
>Computer Festival this weekend, followed by my want list.
>
>FOR SALE/TRADE AT VCF:
>
>- Apple II (original) systems (2), good cosmetics, neither working, one
>needs PS, the other TLC
>- Apple II/Bell & Howell "Black Apple" Disk II floppy drives, drives only
>(3)
>- Apple ///, tested working, plus optional ProFile hard disk and Apple ///
>ProFile controller card
>- Apple Lisa (Mac XL), nice shape, powers on, needs Sun SCSI card, keyboard
>has 3 wrong keys
>- Apple Macintosh 128, beautiful! Correct original mouse, keyboard and
>Apple-logo power cord
>- Atari 65XE, memory error on boot
>- Atari 130XE, tested working, plus floppy drive, cable, power supplies
>- Atari 800, the original Atari 8-bit, nice shape, tested working, with
>power supply and Atari BASIC book
>- Atari ST, untested
>- Coleco ADAM, tested working, with keyboard & printer
>- Colecovision classic game system, mint condition, with 2 controllers,
>power supply, 1 game
>- Commodore 128D, rare version with separate keyboard/built-in diskette
>drive, tested working
>- Commodore Amiga 500, technician's special
>- Commodore Amiga 1000, the first Amiga, tested working, with 1MB Insider
>and 256K cartridge
>- Epson PX-8 Geneva, CP/M notebook PC, tested working, with Multi-Unit 64
>and Portable WordStar ROM
>- Epson PX-8 Geneva, CP/M notebook PC, tested working except some keys,
>needs cleaning?
>- IBM PC Convertible 5140, looks great, tested working, with battery
>- IBM Portable PC 5150, the original IBM PC in a portable case, flawless
>condition
>- Sharp PC1500 Pocket Computer with carrying case, printer, manuals, tested
>working
>- Sharp PC1500A Pocket Computer with carrying case, printer, manuals,
tested
>working
>- SoftStrip Reader!!! Read those barcoded programs along the edge of
>magazine pages! In original box
>- Sony 15" universal color monitor, accepts Composite, S-Video, Analog RGB,
>Digital RGB
>- Timex-Sinclair ZX1000, tested working
>- TRS-80 Model 100, 32K, tested working, missing battery cover, with Model
>100 book
>- TRS-80 Color Computer 1, tested working
>- Vectrex vector-graphic stand-alone home video game system, M6800 CPU
>
>WANT LIST:
>
>- Most anything S-100 bus related, especially but not limited to MITS,
IMSAI
>
>- Documentation or Sales Literature for classic systems
>
>- Altair 6800
>- Commodore PET Floppy System
>- Corvus Concept
>- Dynalogic Hyperion
>- Exidy Sorcerer
>- Heath H8, H11, drives
>- IBM AT
>- Ohio Scientific systems
>- Osborne Vixen
>- Processor Technology HELIOS
>- RCA 1802 machines (e.g. COSMAC ELF, VIP)
>- Rockwell AIM-65
>- Sinclair ZX80
>- Smoke Signal Broadcasting systems, drives
>- SWTPC systems, drives
>
>- Optical serial paper tape reader
>- Apple Lisa Office System Diskettes, Unserialized
>- HP150 DOS
>- Apricot F-Series DOS
>- Apple Macintosh Portable Battery
>
>And of course, can't fail to mention the Apple I, Apple Lisa I, Mark 8,
>Scelbi 8H, Sphere, & Xerox Star.
>
>See you at VCF!!
>
>Kai
>
>
FYI:
On page B6, in an article titled "Yet Another 'Father' Of the
Microprocessor Wants Recognition", there is discussion of Ray Holt, an
ex-Navy engineer who claims to have created the microprocessor in 1969, two
years before Hoff, Faggin, and Mazor created the integrated processor.
In the last paragraph, "This week, Mr. Holt will officially launch a
campaign to make his name. On Saturday, he will be a featured speaker at a
gathering of Silicon Valley computer buffs, the Vintage Computer Festival in
Santa Clara, Calif., where he will be joined by members of his original team
and publicly discuss his invention for the first time."
Congrats Sam!
Rich Cini/WUGNET
- ClubWin!/CW7
- MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
- Collector of "classic" computers
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CLASSICCMP folks...
This is a list of DEC equipment that's either available now or soon will be. If any of you are interested, please contact the originator directly. His name is Craig Bence, and he can be reached as:
craigb(a)frzr.com
Thanks. Attachment follows.
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DATE: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:05:44
From: "Craig Bence" <craigb(a)frzr.com>
To: <kyrrin(a)jps.net>
Here is a text file for you.
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Make Model Serial Num Description Location Availability
DEC DV-31ATBAA 108755 "KA41-1(4MB,FPU) RZ23-EG" Omaha Now
DEC LA120-AA NA3089 LA120-BA (W/out Numeric keypad) Omaha Now
DEC TK50Z-FA 000021 "TK50 Contrl, Exp Box, 120V" Omaha Now
DEC RZ23-E 000018 "104MB Winch.Disk 3.5"" Preconfig" Omaha Now
DEC RZ23-E 000019 "104MB Winch.Disk 3.5"" Preconfig" Omaha Now
DXTRA MV 3100 729654 MicroVax 3100 Software Support Omaha Now
DEC RZ24-EF 000020 "209MB 3.5"" Disk Drv/Add on" Omaha Now
Data Products B300 N47065 300 LPM Printer Omaha Now
DEC DV-31DTAAA 0D3759 MV3100/10E VMS T/S Base USA Fremont 10/01/98
DEC LA120-AA F08543 LA120-BA (W/Out Numeric keypad) Fremont 10/01/98
DEC LA120-AA N91945 LA120-BA (W/Out Numeric keypad) Fremont 10/01/98
DEC VT320-C2 0Z2693 Mono Amber Text Terminal Fremont 10/01/98
DEC VT320-C2 353830 Mono AmberText Terminal Fremont 10/01/98
DEC VT320-C2 606499 Mono AmberText Terminal Fremont 10/01/98
DEC DSH32-BA 000025 Microvax 2000 Communications Fremont 10/01/98
DXTRA MV 3100 0D3759 Microvax 3100 Software Support Fremont 10/01/98
DXTRA MV 2000 000025 Microvax 2000 Software Support Fremont 10/01/98
DEC VT420-C2 018607 Mono Amber Term No KB/PWC Fremont 10/01/98
DEC VT420-C2 018608 Mono Amber Term No KB/PWC Fremont 10/01/98
DEC VT420-C2 4L9591 Mono Amber Term No KB/PWC Fremont 10/01/98
DEC VT420-C2 5S7624 Mono Amber Term No KB/PWC Fremont 10/01/98
DEC VT420-C2 685335 Mono Amber Term No KB/PWC Fremont 10/01/98
DEC RZ24-EF 000026 "209MB 3.5"" Disk Drive/ADD on" Fremont 10/01/98
DEC RZ24-EF 000027 "209MB 3.5"" Disk Drive/ADD on" Fremont 10/01/98
DEC SZ12X-HA 000023 TZ30 95MB Tape Drive-Dual CAB Fremont 10/01/98
Data Products B300 N21368 300 LPM Printer Fremont 10/01/98
DEC DSRVG-AA 05425A DECServer 90L Phoenix 11/01/98
DEC DV-31CT2AA 005425 Microvax 3100 (KA41-A) Phoenix 11/01/98
DEC LA424-CA 1P4C37 136 Column Printer Phoenix 11/01/98
DEC LA100-AA NN0195 "ENG Lang, Dot Mtrx Term, KSR, 240" Phoenix 11/01/98
DEC LA120-DA NN2925 LA120 ksr w Numeric Keypad Phoenix 11/01/98
DEC LA120-RB NN5002 Printer Phoenix 11/01/98
DEC VT510-AA 05425B Terminal White Phoenix 11/01/98
DEC VT510-AA 05425C Terminal White Phoenix 11/01/98
DEC TK50Z-BA 003QAY TK50-AA w/ Nema Cabinet Phoenix 11/01/98
DEC VT320-C2 146689 Mono Amber Text Terminal Phoenix 11/01/98
DEC VT320-C2 619887 Mono Amber Text Terminal Phoenix 11/01/98
DEC VT320-C2 744751 Mono Amber Text Terminal Phoenix 11/01/98
DEC VT320-C2 9CF214 Mono Amber Text Terminal Phoenix 11/01/98
DEC LG02-CA M94343 600 LPM Text/Graphic Printer Phoenix 11/01/98
DEC RZ23-EF 101QL4 104MB DRV/Upgrade VS/MV3100 Phoenix 11/01/98
DXTRA MV 3100 005425 Microvax 3100 Software Support Phoenix 11/01/98
DEC VT420-C2 05425D Mono Amber Terminal no KB/PWC Phoenix 11/01/98
DEC DV-31GTAB9 OPH341 MV3100-40 2 User Open-VMS SYST East Dubuque 02/01/99
DEC 450ZM-B9 3KP654 Microvax 3100 Model 40 SBB East Dubuque 02/01/99
DEC LA424-A2 346208 136 Column Impact Printer East Dubuque 02/01/99
DEC LA424-CA 346231 136 Column Printer East Dubuque 02/01/99
DEC TZ30-AA H341TZ 95MB Half Height Tape East Dubuque 02/01/99
DEC VT420-CA 8V1338 Mono Amber Terminal USA East Dubuque 02/01/99
DEC VT420-CA 8V1339 Mono Amber Terminal USA East Dubuque 02/01/99
DEC VT420-CA 8V1340 Mono Amber Terminal USA East Dubuque 02/01/99
DEC VT420-CA 8V1341 Mono Amber Terminal USA East Dubuque 02/01/99
N VT420-CA 8V1342 Mono Amber Terminal USA East Dubuque 02/01/99
DEC RZ25-E 00341A "426MB 3.5"" SCSI Disk Drive" East Dubuque 02/01/99
DEC RZ25-E 00341B "426MB 3.5"" SCSI Disk Drive" East Dubuque 02/01/99
DEC SZ12X-HA 9000S9 TZ30 95MB Tape Drive-Dual CAB East Dubuque 02/01/99
DEC SZ12X-HA 903786 TZ30 95MB Tape Drive-Dual CAB East Dubuque 02/01/99
FUJIT M3041C 030135 Fujitsu M3041C East Dubuque 02/01/99
DEC DV-31DTAAA 8D7452 MV3100/10E VMS Amarillo 03/01/99
DEC LA120-RA NE4903 Printer Amarillo 03/01/99
DEC LA120-BA N09850 LA120 120V/60HZ EIA Num Pad Amarillo 03/01/99
DEC VT320-C2 OCF915 Mono Amber Text Terminal Amarillo 03/01/99
DEC VT320-C2 OCH075 Mono Amber Text Terminal Amarillo 03/01/99
DEC VT320-C2 1R9867 Mono Amber Text Terminal Amarillo 03/01/99
DEC VT320-C2 2R3671 Mono Amber Text Terminal Amarillo 03/01/99
DEC VT320-C2 3BM687 Mono Amber Text Terminal Amarillo 03/01/99
DEC VT320-C2 742143 Mono Amber Text Terminal Amarillo 03/01/99
DEC VT320-C2 864430 Mono Amber Text Terminal Amarillo 03/01/99
DEC VT320-C2 943806 Mono Amber Text Terminal Amarillo 03/01/99
DEC RZ24-EG 000001 "209MB 3.5"" Disk Drive/Fact Ins" Amarillo 03/01/99
DEC RZ24-EG 000002 "209MB 3.5"" Disk Drive/Fact Ins" Amarillo 03/01/99
DXTRA MV 3100 8D7452 Microvax 3100 Software Support Amarillo 03/01/99
DEC SZ12X-HA 301GED TZ30 95MB Tape Drive-Dual CAB Amarillo 03/01/99
Data Products 8300 N21700 300 LPM Printer Amarillo 03/01/99
DEC DV-31DTAAA 0F6459 MV3100/10E VMS 1/S Base USA Garden City 04/01/99
DEC LA120-BA NF9304 Printer Garden City 04/01/99
DEC LA120-BB NN2813 Printer Garden City 04/01/99
DEC VT320-C2 0K9182 Mono Amber Text Terminal Garden City 04/01/99
DEC VT320-C2 0L8531 Mono Amber Text Terminal Garden City 04/01/99
DEC VT320-C2 1L1117 Mono Amber Text Terminal Garden City 04/01/99
DEC VT320-C2 457736 Mono Amber Text Terminal Garden City 04/01/99
DEC VT320-C2 537029 Mono Amber Text Terminal Garden City 04/01/99
DEC VT320-C2 590686 Mono Amber Text Terminal Garden City 04/01/99
DEC TZ30-AA 000010 95MB Half Height Tape Garden City 04/01/99
DEC DSH32-BA 4DE366 Microvax 2000 Communications Garden City 04/01/99
DXTRA MV 3100 0F6459 Microvax 3100 Software Support Garden City 04/01/99
DXTRA MV 2000 4DE366 Microvax 2000 Software Support Garden City 04/01/99
DEC VT420-AA 612268 Mono White Terminal USA Garden City 04/01/99
DEC SZ03B-BA 000008 209MB Disk Drive Garden City 04/01/99
DEC RZ24-EF 000009 "209MB 3.5"" Disk Drive/ADD on" Garden City 04/01/99
Data Products B300 N45046 300 LPM Printer Garden City 04/01/99
DEC DV-31DTAAA 0D3755 MV3100/10E VMS 1/S Base USA Sioux Falls 05/01/99
DEC LA120-DA NN6889 "LA120 KSR w/Numeric kypad, Univ" Sioux Falls 05/01/99
DEC LA120-RA N60640 Printer Sioux Falls 05/01/99
DEC VT510-AA 511891 Terminal White Sioux Falls 05/01/99
DEC VT320-C2 101183 Mono Amber Text Terminal Sioux Falls 05/01/99
DEC VT320-C2 204241 Mono Amber Text Terminal Sioux Falls 05/01/99
DEC DSH32-BA 000003 Microvax 2000 Communications Sioux Falls 05/01/99
DXTRA MV 3100 0D3755 Microvax 3100 Software Support Sioux Falls 05/01/99
DXTRA MV 2000 000003 Microvax 2000 Software Support Sioux Falls 05/01/99
DEC VT420-C2 000001 Mono Amber Terminal no KB/pwc Sioux Falls 05/01/99
DEC VT420-C2 203778 Mono Amber Terminal no KB/pwc Sioux Falls 05/01/99
DEC VT420-C2 714107 Mono Amber Terminal no KB/pwc Sioux Falls 05/01/99
DEC VT420-C2 714168 Mono Amber Terminal no KB/pwc Sioux Falls 05/01/99
DEC RZ26L-EK NF9304 1.05GB Disk Drive Sioux Falls 05/01/99
DEC RZ24-EF 000002 "209MB 3.5"" Disk Drive/Add on" Sioux Falls 05/01/99
DEC RZ24-EF 000006 "209MB 3.5"" Disk Drive/Add on" Sioux Falls 05/01/99
DEC SZ12X-HA 0043MF TZ30 95MB Tape Drive-Dual CAB Sioux Falls 05/01/99
Data Products B300 N45044 300 LPM Printer Sioux Falls 05/01/99
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< We just to joke that Z80EMU on a Pentium was faster than any Z80 process
< you could actually buy, I wonder if it wouldn't be feasible these days t
< create a 38 pin I/O port and build an "ICE" in software...
< --Chuck
thats a tall claim as the z80 is available up to 20mhz and z180s to 33mhz.
Then you can also use he Z380 is z80 native mode (it uses fewer clocks
per instruction than any other z80) at 20mhz (faster are supposed to
exist.).
I am in the process of bringing up a Z280 at 12.5mhz (with 16bit zbus)
and I expect that with it's instruction cache and fast ram there will
be a new level of CPM performance comming.
since I have a z80 system that runs at 8mhz (no waits!) and MYZ80 on a
486dx2/66 and the 486 is faster on emulated disk IO (inherent caching) but
about the about the same as the 8mhz system otherwise. The disk
differences are due to the type of interface SCSI-1 vs SCSI-II and size of
buffers.
Emulators have their place. One is allowing cross platform code
development and testing and the other is allowing access to archetectures
that are scarce or unusual.
Allison
