At 10:31 PM 8/24/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Yeah, I know a number of musicians using STs in preference to more
>modern PC VESA/PCI sound cards -- there is some program out of
>Germany (dongle protected) that apparently has yet to be equalled on
>Wintel platforms.
Probably Cubase -- which I would be using if a) I had and money, b) I had
any talent, and c) I had any time. Cubase Audio for the Falcon (68030)
offered (iirc) 8 or 16 track digital recording straight out of the box.
Serious digital recording & MIDI for around a grand. (Used Falcon, Cubase,
and a big hard drive.)
Also, there are ST clones available from (iirc) Canada and/or Germany with
fast 68060 processors, tower cases, IDE and SCSI support, true
multi-tasking, etc. The Medusa, if I recall correctly.
And, while we're on the subject, anyone get to the World of Atari in Las
Vegas last weekend?
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At 06:20 AM 8/25/98 +0000, you wrote:
>computer flame-war :^)) The Atari 8-bit and CBM newsgroups are still very
>active. They'll be glad to help you get your 8-bits up and running. New
prgms.
>are still being written for them by avid 8-bitters. I have C64 1541 and
Atari
I know a guy who uses Atari 1200XL's (same series, newer version) with
65816 CPU's, internal hard drives, and a connection to his desktop PC to
use it as a big hard drive/CD-ROM unit. Pretty cool.
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At 06:20 AM 8/25/98 +0000, you wrote:
>> 520ST does indeed run GEM; it's about equivalent to a Mac Plus or so.
>
> Not to start a flame-war or anything but I have a 4 meg Mac+ and there's no
>way it is the equivalent of an ST. The only thing they had in common was the
Well, certainly, a 4mb Mac+ (with what current version of the opsys?) is
going to be faster etc. than a stock 520ST running TOS 1.0. But, compare a
4MB ST with TOS 1.4 (or 1.6?) with "the various add-ons" and I think you'll
find they're pretty equivalent. Vastly different footprints, however,
something that I find rather interesting.
Mind you, a lot more software was developed for the Mac, at least partially
because Tramiel never bothered to advertise the ST (or for that matter,
stocked them in the US.)
> I have friends that use it in live performance and it is still used
>extensively in studios, especially in Europe, tho the Atari Falcon or one of
>it's clones are now preferred because of thier built-in DTD capabilities.
Yep. I got two Falcons just before my mom passed away; Shortly thereafter
I moved back home to take care of my dad and my studio is still mostly
disassembled. *sigh* Someday, however, I'll get it all set up again, and
finish off the album I was working on.
>> The 800XL is an updated version of the venerable 800. Has BASIC built-in
>> and only one cartridge. Nice machine.
>>
> There's a local BBS that uses 8-bit Ataris he even has an Inet feed.
Really? What BBS is that? Our club is running an ST BBS, but we're
looking at switching to either a DOS- or Linux-based system so as to
(someday) get an internet mail connection.
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At 06:44 PM 8/24/98 -0800, you wrote:
>running. I've got a 520ST, which is unfortuanatly missing the powersupply
>for the floppy drive, and a TT030, both of which are TOS based systems.
>TOS and GEM are related. It's actually a VERY cool system as the entire
>OS, which is a GUI, is in ROM. However, it is a single task system, and in
>my not so humble opinion the interface sucks. Still I think they are VERY
>COOL! I know saying it sucks, and saying it's cool doesn't make a lot of
>sense :^)
TOS and GEM are related somewhat like DOS and Windows are related -- GEM
runs on top of TOS, but unlike windows, you don't really notice it.
There are add-ons and upgrades to GEM that do allow true multi-tasking. A
quick web search should turn them up. I've been happy with GEM as-is as
I've found it easier to run multiple ST's than to keep on top of the latest
and greatest opsys's.
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At 08:01 PM 8/24/98 -0400, you wrote:
>a semi-functional Wang PC with a splitting maul is very cathartic when
[...]
>Plus it helps keep me from feeling like I need to take it out on my users.
Ah, but there are so many more users than classic computers... and
besides, which is more desirable to have around? 8^)
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> Yeah, that's something I always had a problem with, the idea that
> vegetarians are peaceful and meat-eaters are violent without cause.
> Well, my ancestors labored for literally millions of years to get
> me to the top of the food chain and I will not waste their effort.
>
> Of course, that's with animals, who (despite PETA) have no rights.
> As a proper libertarian, I can never initiate force (or fraud)
> against another person. Though if force is initiated against me, I
> am justified in responding with whatever is required.
>Department?
Does that mean that if someone at a hamfest threatened you with an IBM XT
that you'd nail 'em with a C=64 <g>?
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I'd have to say ANYTHING made by Toshiba - old or new. Although... it'd
probably fall apart before it hits the ground....
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> From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Shame, shame, shame
> Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 6:45 PM
>
Well, it'll fit into the landfill better anyway...
Here's a question: what _obsolete_ computer would you choose for this
miracle machine, assuming you have unlimited power?
My choice would have to be an IBM PC just to vent..
>
>> Plus consider that you could then ask for the smashed machines and
>> restore them. THere is unlikely to be any serious damage except
>> drives and CRTs. You could certainly scrounge the chips.
>
>Max, depending on how large this catapult is, and therefore how high
the
>object goes, an object hurling back to earth at 100MPH would certainly
end
>up in state hardly susceptible to repair.
>
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>On drives that store the same number of bits/track - most floppies apart
>from Commodore and Mac ones, most 'raw-interfaced' hard disks (ST506,
>SMD, RK05, RL01, etc), the inner track has the smallest area storing each
>bit (think about it, the inner track is shorter).
So PC disks are less reliable then Mac and Commodore disks, then?
Tom
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I have recently acquired a Data General Nova and an honest-to-god
Teletype---I think it's an ASR-35. My roommate is furious, but that's
beside the point.
The point is this machine is much older than I am; this is going to be a
completely new (and fascinating) experience. I am 21 years old, and if you
do the math (and if I've done the math correctly) you'll find that the
Nova is 8 years older than me.
I don't want to screw this up. The guy who I got it from knew a lot about
it; he got it in 1982 and used it quite a lot. He told me a lot of stuff
that was important, but I wasn't expecting what I got and was too
overwhelmed to think to take notes.
At any rate, the first thing I have to do is take an inventory, and after
that I think I shall require excruciating amounts of assistence from the
list making sure it's ready to be fired up (and after that, making
sure I can run it properly)---but I know that you all are up to it. (:
Wish me luck.
ok
r.
< Does anyone out there know of some sort of gizmo that could be made tha
< would convert an old RLL or MFM Hard drive to be used with a parallel
< interface? I've seen then for IDE, but that's it. I've got a couple o
< old HD's laying around that I'd like to put to use, but there's no room
< any of my computers to put them.
Parallel interface on what? PCs are the only ones you can count on for a
consistant (sorta) interface. Few others are similar. To go from
parallel (assuming it's bidirectional) you would need something like
a WD1002HDO adaptor and some custom logic and software.
VERY NON TRIVIAL! It would be a fair amount of proframming effort and
hhardware to pull it together.
< By the way, does anyone have any old Apple or TRS-80 external disk drive
< that they'd want to get rid of for a few bucks? I don't need the drive
< itself. I need the case and power supply and that's it. If they're
< TRS-80, I could use the drive itself, too.
Apple and trs80 drives are not interchangeable though the case/PS would
be. I think I still have one with a drive.
Allison
