So how much do you sell you hair for? ;)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Vintage Computer Festival <siconic(a)jasmine.psyber.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Saturday, June 20, 1998 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: principals in online selling? (was: IMSAI 8080)
>On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, Desie Hay wrote:
>
>> its just getting worse by the minute check this out from the Obsolete
>> Computer helpline:
>>
>>
>> Matt Antonellis <206-343-7576 P.S.T.>
>> seattle, wa usa - Friday, June 19, 1998 at 18:43:02
>>
>> FOR SALE: $500 rare BLACK AppleIIplus very good condition call MATT
>> ANTONELLIS in SEATTLE 206-343-7576
>
>Rare my hairy ass. This is about as rare as the hair on my ass.
>
>Sam Alternate e-mail:
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>>What really scrapes my oxide is an approach that I am starting to see more
>>often in postings in and newsgroups. (it has happened to me twice now in
>>the last month)
>>Someone posts an item with an asking price. I respond to the message with
>>a counter offer. The seller responds with a counter-counter offer that I
>>find acceptable. I respond to the message with my acceptance and provide
>>shipping details. The seller then responded back indicating that he has
>>received a higher offer and that the unit has been sold without so much as
>>an opportunity for further response.
Although I've participated in "auctions" of this type, I haven't gotten
shanked by another bidder. I can see how easy the private auction process
can be abused. I sometimes find myself doubtful of the bid increments that
I've seen; too easy to fake interest to inflate the price.
>>BTW: a HERO-2000 auction just closed on eBay for $4027.78... (sheesh!)
I always wanted one of these when I was a kid. Wasn't it about $2k new?
Unbelievable. Classic computers and robots, the next Beanie Babies!
>>-jim (the obviously overly idealistic one...)
Rich Cini/WUGNET <nospam_rcini(a)msn.com>
- ClubWin! Charter Member
- MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
- Preserver of "classic" computers
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Is there anyone who DIDN'T make a UNIX port?
Apple - A/UX
IBM - AIX
MS - Xenix
AT&T - UNIX
DEC?
DR?
>
>You mean Xenix?
> Ciao,
>
>Tim D. Hotze
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-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Franke <franke(a)sbs.de>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Sunday, June 21, 1998 6:30
Subject: Re: principals in online selling? (was: IMSAI 8080)
>> I agree with you completely...however evil ebay may be, at least it is a
>> structured enviornment with rules and etiquette that is regulated.
>
>Agreed
>
>> I am of the opinion that some of these characters are scrounging around
>> ebay and newsgroups soliciting bidders just to get out of paying the
>> commission...then they invent these rediculous auction scenarios. I think
>> there should be some sort of formal boycott.
>
>I still like sBay an similar systems. At least they secure the
>process a bit - like in an ordinary auction. And auctions are,
>for shure, no place for rare or most wanted items. Not VL and
>not RL. But they are a good thing to get fair prices for some
>unusual or common things. I bought some rare spare parts via
>eBay for just cents (and a brand new never opened never used
>complete Mac IIsi for less than 100 USD :). But the best hits
>are always on ordinary swap markets (flea markets) (like today
>*g*) - even electronic swaps tend to have high prices.
>
>Gruss
>H.
>
>--
>Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
>HRK
>
email: desieh(a)southcom.com.au
desieh(a)bigfoot.com
museum_curator(a)hotmail.com
Apple Lisa Web Page:
http://www.southcom.com.au/~desieh/index.htm
its just getting worse by the minute check this out from the Obsolete
Computer helpline:
Matt Antonellis <206-343-7576 P.S.T.>
seattle, wa usa - Friday, June 19, 1998 at 18:43:02
FOR SALE: $500 rare BLACK AppleIIplus very good condition call MATT
ANTONELLIS in SEATTLE 206-343-7576
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Christian Fandt <cfandt(a)servtech.com> wrote:
] Hey gang!
]
] Several times during the past week or ten days I've tried to connect to the
] ClassicCmp website http://haliotis.bothell.washington.edu/classiccmp but
] never seemed to be up. Always got a message after Netscape timed out
] suggesting the web server is either down or not responding. Anybody know
] what's happening?
That's been dead for nearly as long as I've been here, about a year.
And there's also that rescue-list put up by Isaac Davis, that also has
been non-maintained for as long.
My suggestion to everybody is to put up your own classiccmp page, and
make sure you include the words "classic computer" so it can be found
easily through the search engines. Or, if you are volunteering to
rescue old machines, include the words "classic computer rescue squad",
and include your interests, geographical area, and contact info.
At one point, I was extremely tempted to put up some "official" web
pages to take over for those dead pages. But then I thought about it:
both of the other two who did this have vanished without a trace.
Maybe I don't want to follow too closely in their footsteps. :-)
Bill.
] Thanks,
] --Chris
] -- --
] Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
] Jamestown, NY USA
] Member of Antique Wireless Association
] URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/
On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Chris Halarewich <chrish(a)knet.kootenay.net> wrote:
] I was looking around at http://www.patents.ibm.com
]
] I discovered that Commodore Electronics held the
] patent for the case of the TRS-80 CoCo2(3?), which makes me wonder if
] they designed the rest of the computer for Radio Shack.
]
] Any Edgeumacated guesses anyone...anyone :)
]
] Chris Halarewich
The data sheet for the Motorola 6883 Synchronous Address Multiplexor,
which is the key wonder-chip in the CoCo 1 and 2, includes a schematic
that accounts for about 80% of the CoCo design. The 6883 and 6847 were
clearly designed to be used together, and the rest of the design was
pretty much driven by that. Of course, the CoCo does have a little
stuff hanging off of the two PIA's that isn't given in that data sheet.
But I'd be surprised if they had gone to Commodore for that.
Of course, I'm surprised enough at the patent on the case (who would
need to infringe a patent to make a rectanguloid plastic box?!), so I
guess the origin of the remainder of the circuit design could surprise
me too...
Bill.
Here are some of this week's finds:
1. 3-Apple Monochrome monitors IIe
2. 8-Apple 5.25 FD
3. 8-Giltronic Selecto-switch for Apple's
4. UltraDrive 45 for Mac with all cables and terminator
5. Apple duodisk A9M0108
6. 2-Apple IIe's
7. RCA Data Terminal model UP4801 similar to C64 a all in the keyboard unit
even has a Acousic coupler conection and a RJ11 phone jack built in.
8. AMPI printer model 88
9. 2-Apple IIgs one is the WOZ limited edition model.
10. A Data General/One model 2 I already had a model 1, this unit came with
the power supply.
11. EPSON PX-8 model H101A notebook computer has builtin micro cassette
unit missing power supply but can run on batteries.
12. Digicard shared resource expansion unit and a contoller unit for apples.
13. Corvus OmniDrive model 45MB
14. 4-Apple Color Monitor IIe
15. Box of cables all types (a large box)
16. 2-IBM RT tower units need work
17. Heathkit Microcomputer learning system model 3400 series ET-3400A
18. HP 32936A ROM Drawer
19. 3-Mac 128k kb's
20. Box VAX manuals
21. Some old HP test equipment catalogs
22. Color Classic Mac
23. AT&T Mono monitor for 6300
24. AT&T kb for 6300 KBD302
25. And many more items than can be listed here because of the 10 year rule.
It was good week for me and I hope you all have had some good fines. Keep
on Computing John
>> You just searched a phon directory ? Didn't you ? Or
>> who told you that I live near the Deutsches Museum ?
>> True, my apartment is just 100m from the (back) entrance.
>> Their _very_ early collection - up to the Zuse - ist quite
>> good, but anything later is crap - or at least the display
>> is crap - I left the museum society because of the computer
>> displays. I'm especialy upset because they have _real_
>> unique things to show in a _unique_ way, but they just build
>> some junk place.
> It can't be as bad as the Science Museum in London, surely. I was there
> earlier this week, and what a _joke_!!!
I never been there - hmm maybe I should tak a weekend - is
there a Website to get the opening hours ?
> The digital computing collection seems to consist of the Pilot ACE (worth
> seeing, but it's _never_ in operation), the Babbage difference engine
> (again, well worth seeing), and a poor collection of random bits of more
> modern machines/peripherals.
Oh, thats also the best description for the 'modern' displays
in the Deutsches Museum: random bits. Especialy for the small
devices.
>> Example: they recived a _complete_ SIEMENS 2002, the first
>> fuly transistorized copmuter. Not only the main boxes -
>> they got _everything_ needed to show the machine complete,
>> including _all_ manuals, even spare parts. I think it would
>> have been possible to rebuild this marvelous machine and
>> power it up (ok, once) to show it. Maybe it is still possible,
>> but it has to be done soon - right now several of the old
>> tecnicans are still alive, but in ten years from now noone
>> will be here to tell the story.
> We've had this discussion here before. Museums are (IMHO) too interested
> in preserving the fabric of a device (which is important, but not the
> most important thing) rather than the operation. My guess is that in
> (say) 50 years time there will be machines in museums that are still in
> exactly the same condition as when they were taken out of service, but
> nobody knows how to get them running again, what they were really used
> for, or how to operate them. We (as in the majority of people on this
> list) are doing the opposite in general. We keep machines working, even
> if it means doing some non-original repairs (but we try to keep things as
> original as possible). I suspect our collections and those of museums
> will both be of value in the future, but for different reasons.
Ok, the 2002 wouldn't be exactly the machine for continous
display in action, but even if it is just as static display,
this one time running test ist the best verification that the
static display is _complete_.
(In fact, the critical part of the 2002 is the storage drum -
even back in time when it was new, every power up and down
had to be guarded by tecnicans - hmm but even here, since
the drum is a closed device, one could replace it (invisible)
by a modern electronic emulation... just thinking)
Gruss
H.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
> But then you're missing all the fun of watching the drum! That's the
> cool part about REALLY old machines. With them, one could still get
> his hands dirty in oil, as opposed to dust.
The drum was (is) capsuled. Nothing to wiew beside a big
old e-motor.
Gruss
H.
(hates exchange)
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Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
