Well... I find myself on the virge of a major equipment aquisition and
development project, and it has become painfully obvious (as I fall over
things trying to map out space) that I need to free up some major space in
both the Computer Garage and warehouse.
So, I offer up the first Computer Garage 'Virtual Garage Sale'.
(since it always grates me when I see a posting from someone about their
latest Ebay auction rather than letting the group have a first shot)
The Garage rules are fairly simple: (tho rambling)
1) The sale will run for one calendar week. After that any items not
spoken for will most likely end up in an auction on Ebay.
2) All items are to be considered complete, but untested unless specified
in its listing.
3) Documentation is not included. I have docs on many of the items
(somewhere in the archives), but if I have to find them it will add $5.00
to the cost of the item.
4) Shipping is not included. Figure $5.00 for most (small) items such as
S-100 boards and such. Larger (heavier) items will ship at prevailing UPS
rates plus cost of packaging. If you are close enough (to Oregon) to pick
things up, all the better (and cheaper)
5) To claim an item, respond by email. I must receive payment for the item
(plus applicable shipping) within seven business days (weekends don't
count) from the time I confirm your request or the item will be released
for the next inquiry or to go into the auction. Orders paid by check will
held for five business days, orders paid by bank or Postal Money Order will
be shipped as soon as possible.
6) In the event that multiple people request the same item, the message
that arrives first will get the first shot.
7) All descriptions reflect as much information as I have on the items at
the moment, and usually reflect their manufacturer's designation or model
number. If you don't know what it is, ASK! If possible/practical, I'll
try to get more information/details. Once you have it, it is yours. If it
is not what you thought it was, you had your chance.
8) Trade offers may be considered (see my web page for the wish list) but
it would have to be a good one! (now, if you have contacts in the bowling
equipment industry, send me an email and lets talk)
9) Prices on items are not (firmly) cast in concrete, but let's not get too
ridiculous. Offers will be considered, remember I'm trying to make space
as much as money, but Ebay lurks. Price are per item. There are multiples
of some items. (and all price flames direct to /dev/null) If you want a
bidding war, wait for the auction.
10) All sales are final.
There will likely be more items to follow, but this is what I could get
to/catalog this weekend...
Now... On to the list!
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S-100 compatable items
qty. 1 - CompuPro (Godbout) CPU 86/86 - $35.00
qty. 1 - CompuPro RAM 17 - $35.00
qty. 1 - CompuPro System Support 1 - $35.00
qty. 3 - CompuPro RAM 22 - $45.00
qty. 1 - CompuPro NET 100A - $50.00
qty. 2 - CompuPro Disk 1 - $30.00
qty. 1 - CompuPro disk 1A - $35.00
qty. 1 - CompuPro SPIO - #25.00
qty. 1 - CompuPro SP186 - $35.00
qty. 1 - CompuPro Interfacer 3+ - $30.00
qty. 1 - CompuPro Interfacer 4+ - $35.00
qty. 2 - CompuPro CPU 8085/88 - $35.00
qty. 4 - CompuPro 20 slot shielded/terminated S-100 motherboards
(with all connectors) - $50.00
qty. 1 - Teletek SBC-1 (single board computer) - $25.00
qty. 1 - Teletek SBC-1 (socketed board, no components) - $5.00
qty. 2 - CCT Printerfacer 1 (printer interface/buffer) - $25.00
qty. 1 - Konan DCG100 hard drive controller - $35.00
qty. 1 - California Computer Corp. Modem 2501A 12 slot shielded S-100
motherboard (with all connectors) - $25.00
qty. 1 - S-100 rack mount chassis (mfgr. unknown) - $40.00
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Computers
qty. 1 - DEC VAXstation 3540 (badged as a 3520, but has 2nd CPU board.)
memory, no drives, drive/console cabling missing, dress panel
missing, tower cabinet - $150.00
qty. 2 - DEC DECstation 2100 - $45.00
qty. 2 - Altos Model 580 - $40.00
qty. 2 - Altos Model 586 - $45.00
qty. 1 - Bell & Howell (Black) Apple ][+ - $45.00
qty. 1 - Compaq Deskpro 386/20e - $20.00
qty. 1 - Compaq Deskpro 433i - $30.00
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Disk Drives
qty. 2 - DEC Storage Expantion Units (matching cabinets to the DECstations)
with (I believe) two RZ24 drives in each - $40.00
qty. 2 - DEC Storage Expantion Units (VAXstation 2000 style cabinets) with
one RZ55 drive in each) - $30.00
qty. 1 - NEC Disk Unit PC-8881 (single 8 inch drive in cabinet) - $15.00
qty. 1 - Fujitsu dual 5.25 inch drive unit Model MB27611 (appears to have some
type of interface/controller board mounted in cabinet) - $15.00
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Misc.
qty. 1 - Black Box HPIB (IEEE-488) AB Switch - $10.00
qty. 1 - ICS Electronics Model 4880 Instrument Controller - $20.00
qty. 3 - Qume QVT101 Video Terminals - $20.00
qty. 1 - Tektronix Model 650 Studio Video Monitor - $50.00
qty. 1 - Compaq docking station (if there is any interest, I'll try to get
the model number) - $10.00
qty. 1 - DEC VAX 11/750 backplane (with or without card cage) - $25.00
qty. 1 - DEC VAX 11/750 power supply (H7104-C) - $20.00
qty. 1 - DEC VAX 11/750 power supply (H7104-D) - $20.00
qty. 1 - DEC VAX 11/750 power controller (875A) - $20.00
qty. 1 - DEC LN03 Laser Printer - $20.00
qty. (lots) - 5.25 inch diskettes DD or HD, mixed soft sector/hard sector.
(specify your needs, I'll see what I've got) - $0.10
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Let the crazyness begin...
-jim
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>The cached (486) and highly piplined (pentium and friends) are more
>variable as the clock speed is only an indicator of performance and if
>the code runs with a log of cache misses the speed can really drop to
>nothing. I know as the external cache croaked on my 486/25 and I ran
>for a bit with the internal cache turned off and the performance was
>worse than a 286/12! With the internal cache running it was only about
>10% off the performance of the 64k external cache. Just to give you
and
>idea.
Are you saying that a 486 is only faster than a 286 because of the
cache?
><That's one, but there are many others. You could recompile them to be
><optimized for a 386, though.
>
>Funny I have unix v7 running on a PDP11 with only 256kb of ram. it can
be
>done.
Isn't v7 the latest UNIX distribution?
><><>Windows 3.1 does run on it with the 1meg.
><>Runs good and most software that will fit in 1meg runs ok. Swapping
is
><>heavy though so a fast disk helps.
I once had an old 386 with a 20MB MFM hard drive and 2MB RAM. Windows
ran OK, but Word 2.0 ran very poorly. Strange that I've never seen
3.0. Is it rare?
>
>IF you mean running netscape, that monster wants a minimum of 8m just
to
>run and will still crash if pressed. Wordperfect for windows runs
great,
>as does Word3.0 in 1meg. There are a lot of older packages that run
real
>well in winders3.1 and 2meg or less.
>
Actually, Windows 3.0 came with a copy of MS-DOS executive, the
precursor to the program manager, while 3.1 didn't. That's not
bad, as well as the ability to run real mode programs.
>Windoes 3.0 was not widely supported and it was upgraded to 3.1.
><already have. BTW, where can I get a lisence+docs, disks for Windows
2.x
Well, someone from this list let me copy his. It's not bad, but needs
DOS Version 3.3. You can use Setver for the same thing, but you will
have to disable it for Windows 95, which needs at least 7.0. I have
DOS 3.3, and it's a good DOS. If only it had MOVE...I can send anyone
who wants them some copies. I THINK I have four more boxes. Five are
already spoken for.
It's too bad that Linux needs so much space and so little RAM. I
would rather have somewhat of a greater balance... I installed red
hat recently, and it's an awful pain, just like slackware. I wish
I could install Mac System 1.0 on my PC without emulators...
>Yes I did with help from a few people. The system it's on is a
386DX/33
>with 128k cache and a 420mb IDE and a CDrom. I'm not running X on it as
it
>only has 8megs and a low end VGA board currently. I'm not that
>enthusastic over it as somea re.
>
>
>Allison
>
>
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<I recently picked-up a couple TRS-80 model 1 keyboards, but there
<was no monitor. Does anyone have info on using a B/W TV as
<the monitor? I understand that the model 1 monitor was basically
<a converted TV.
Yes, you can take video from pin4 video and pin5 (ground) and drive a
common NSTC monitor.
Allison
I found a PS/2 Model 70 recently, which would normally have a 386,
but the previous owner installed a Cyrix 486 upgrade chip. Does
anyone know if I can use a 386 math coprocessor with this? I want
to run AutoCAD.
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>Basically I've got a really stupid question, does the external SCSI bus
>HAVE to be terminated? If so any idea's on how to go about doing that
>without finding a DEC terminator?
The only "stupid" question is the one you keep to yourself. ;-)
To answer; yes, you must have termination at both physical ends of a SCSI
bus for reliable operation. If the DEC terminator you mention is the one
I'm thinking of, I've looked on the insides and have not been impressed.
They're simple passive terminators, suitable for short runs and low speeds.
What device is it you're seeking termination for?
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<megahertz (the Cyrix PR233's only 187.5) and actually benchmarking and
<performing like an Intel at a higher speed?
<>Besides it's checkes out on mine at 16 using norton, QAFE+ and a few
<>others.
<OK. If there's one thing that I've learned, what chip manufacturers put
<chips means nearly NOTHING. It's the software, RAM, bus and how they wor
<together that makes performance/lack thereof.
What on the chip is the design maximum (which may be exceeded by over
clocking at some risk), however the system design, wait states, bus
interface and a host of other design factor can slow the cpu down.
The cached (486) and highly piplined (pentium and friends) are more
variable as the clock speed is only an indicator of performance and if
the code runs with a log of cache misses the speed can really drop to
nothing. I know as the external cache croaked on my 486/25 and I ran
for a bit with the internal cache turned off and the performance was
worse than a 286/12! With the internal cache running it was only about
10% off the performance of the 64k external cache. Just to give you and
idea.
<>Look up ELKS.
<That's one, but there are many others. You could recompile them to be
<optimized for a 386, though.
Funny I have unix v7 running on a PDP11 with only 256kb of ram. it can be
done.
<><>Windows 3.1 does run on it with the 1meg.
<>Runs good and most software that will fit in 1meg runs ok. Swapping is
<>heavy though so a fast disk helps.
<Yeah, but how much Windows 3.1 software fits on a meg? I'd say at least
<I ran Windows 3.1 from 1993 to 1997, and I'd have to say that most progra
<that I ran were fairly large, most in double-digit MB's.
IF you mean running netscape, that monster wants a minimum of 8m just to
run and will still crash if pressed. Wordperfect for windows runs great,
as does Word3.0 in 1meg. There are a lot of older packages that run real
well in winders3.1 and 2meg or less.
<>3.0 is ok but it will not run some apps at all!
<Yeah, and Windows 3.1 won't run a lot of apps. It really all depends on
<owner, what they want to do, how they want to do it, and what SW they
Windoes 3.0 was not widely supported and it was upgraded to 3.1.
<already have. BTW, where can I get a lisence+docs, disks for Windows 2.x
<I need one for the above computer...
Why? For historical points but it was a dog and buggy as hell.
<Really? 3.3?
Yep!
<BTW, did you ever get that Linux box working? I just started
<w/Linux in Jan. and since then, I've installed, removed, reformated and r
<7 or so distributions. If you want, I can help, although I doubt my
<usefulnes past my own machines...
Yes I did with help from a few people. The system it's on is a 386DX/33
with 128k cache and a 420mb IDE and a CDrom. I'm not running X on it as it
only has 8megs and a low end VGA board currently. I'm not that
enthusastic over it as somea re.
Allison
I acquired a TRS-80 VOXBOX last week. It is in the original box
with cable, interface box, mic, and three casette tapes. I remember
when RS was selling these. Has anyone ever used one? Did they actually
work?
Any historical insight is appreciated.
Thanks...Win
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Hi,
I recently picked-up a couple TRS-80 model 1 keyboards, but there
was no monitor. Does anyone have info on using a B/W TV as
the monitor? I understand that the model 1 monitor was basically
a converted TV.
Thanks...Win
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<>It's warped. It's a 386/16 and that's all.
<Yeah, but with extra RAM, etc. it could very well benchmark as a higher o
<lower MHz, even with today's Winbench's.
Lower mhz yes faster never. Faster means a timer error or the program is
broken. The 386 implmentation on that card is very vanilla and no cache.
Besides it's checkes out on mine at 16 using norton, QAFE+ and a few
others.
<Linux won't run XF86 even in mono mode with less than 8MB RAM, which make
<zero sense because any PC that shipped with 8MB RAM and a mono card was
Whatever you do don't tell my 386sx/33 that! It might stop working.
< There are several projects going on to have Linux run on 286 and lowe
<machines, and, of course, lowering RAM consumption. There's an 8MB
<distribution that only requires 512K (I believe) RAM, if you give it enou
<swap space (in that case, it would be 3.5MB)
Look up ELKS.
<>Windows 3.1 does run on it with the 1meg.
<It'll run, but in my experience, Windows 3.1 doesn't do to much with it.
<friends 286 (they were still using it last summer when they moved, but i
<was retrofit with MY 210MB HDD, and a SVGA monitor and graphics card) Yo
<can't extract files, run most software that was designed for Windows 3.1
Runs good and most software that will fit in 1meg runs ok. Swapping is
heavy though so a fast disk helps.
3.0 is ok but it will not run some apps at all!
<I'd go with 3.0, if I had a choice. If I was you, I would just upgrade t
<DOS 5.0 or so. It'll run loads of software, and is more consistent with
I'm running 6.22 and LW had 5.x on his.
<hardware that you have, minus the 386CPU. And, it's smaller, so you coul
<actually have more software on it. Come to think of it, I believe that
<Windows 3.1 is like 25MB, plus the DOS 5.0 that's required to run it, whi
<fits on 5 720K floppies, I believe.
Huh? I had 6.22, win3.1, procomm+, and a few other things and had about
4.5mb free on a 20mb drive. DO5.0 would reduce it some but not alot, 3.3
would be far smaller and still run w3.1.
Allison
Ok, I ripped it to pieces. The drives x2 are Micropolis 1325's, connected
via an adaptec card:
Adaptec Inc.
400041-00A
(c) 1985
In the backplane, there are 6 vertical slots. From left to right:
1) 68020 processor board
2) "Graphics Memory" board, with chips that say:
Intech 52467
VDAL 0405H
vli 601s 01152
vl6845E-23PC
syp6845EA
3) The display board? Main chip:
LOGIC
LMI16DC
0114A
8448
4) Empty
5) Memory
6) Empty
I am afraid it may have been cannabalized, with the empty slots and all.
The other side of the backplane has all three of these slots
interconnected with ribbon cables, and the 6th has what looks like some
kind of resistor-pack board on part of the pins.
Any clues? An hour of searching on the internet only found resumes of
engineers who used it for pcb design.
TIA,
Aaron
