Doug Yowza <yowza(a)yowza.com> wrote:
> I don't remember ever seeing a desktop PC coming from them. Anybody know
> how rare this box is? Sounds like a keeper.
Yup, they made desktop PC-compatibles for a while. I remember a
dealer in College Park, MD selling them (Software'n'Things if anyone
else out there remembers them; to the best of my knowledge they aren't
operating under that name anymore if at all).
One of the big selling points was that they were upgradable by virtue
of the passive backplane. Buy an XT-compatible now, later on you can
upgrade to an AT-compatible just by swapping the CPU card for the '286
flavor.
BTW Doug, is that your face I saw gazing up at me from this morning's
San Jose Mercury News? If not, there's some guy calling himself
Doug Salot who has some stuff in his collection that's an awful lot
like things you've mentioned on this list.
-Frank McConnell
Sam Ismail <dastar(a)wco.com> wrote:
> Yes they were dot matrix. I always equated line printers with dot matrix
> printers. Is there a difference?
When someone says Line Printer I think of something with the type
on a chain (or a drum) and the ribbon in front of the paper, and then a
bunch of hammers behind the paper. When the right character is in
front of the right position, the printer fires the hammer for that
position and pushes the paper up against the ribbon and chain/drum.
But the real definition is in how much data you have to send to the
printer to get it printing. If you have to give it a full line to get
it going then it's a line printer. If you only have to give it a
character to make it print then it isn't.
-Frank McConnell
>Unless the Z80 option includes a pod that attaches to a Z80, then you
Is this "pod" something that clamps over an installed CPU? There is a test
socket for something like this. May attach to an edge connector at the back
marked "Microprocessor Probe".
Dave Jenner has bowed out on all items in the list I posted. Sam has
claimed the DEC books. The programming card and Everex book are still
available, as are all the hardware items.
Caveat emptor!
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Sam Ismail has claimed the books I'd offered. The other items are still
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Hi,
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> From: J. Maynard Gelinas <maynard(a)jmg.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: WANTED: MC68[34]0 programmers reference manual
> Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 10:02 AM
>
> Hey folks,
>
> While I've got a 68000/08/10/ book, I'm in need of some
> documentation for the 68881 which comes built in to the 68030.
this was new to me ;-))
serious: 68881 is a co-pro for 68020
68882 is a co-pro for 68030
most parts of a 68881 are built in 68040
68030 has the MMU built in (not all types !!)
> I checked at Quantum books (next to MIT - _THE_ place to check
> around here) among several other technical book stores.
> Unfortunately, I can't seem to find it for sale
> anywhere... seems like the 68k like has really died the hard
> death. Soooo, if anyone has an extra copy they're interested
> in selling please contact me.
check the motorola semiconductor webpage. You should find all information
you need there.
cheers,
emanuel
Had a pretty good week getting more items for the museum, from ebay I go
Newton messagepad model H1000 with all the manuals, stickers, video, and
other items that came with it when new; a Magic Mike II Robot from 1984
model-8; from ebay a Mac Portable with carrying case not working at this
time, put in new batteries and still nothing;two items I got at police
auction Saturday Mac PowerBook Duo230 and Duo Dock, and A US Robotics pilot
5000 missing a few item but powers on these are not 10 years old yet but I
got them anyway as they will be someday;HP 4940A Transmission Impairment
unit, SUN 3/50 loaded; HP98785A monitor not tested ($5); early Mac mouse
M0100; Mac Plus manuals;HP 150 model 45611A; Apple RGB model A9M0308 used
with IIe or IIgs a odd shaped model; Time-Life The Personal Computer book
with lots of nice pictures of classic units; also their Computer Basics
book; HP 100/Personal Card file manual; HP 150 Terminal Users guide; HP
Personal Computer Owners guide; IBM PC an Introduction by Larry Joel
Goldstein and Martin Goldstein 1984; Making the Most of Your ZX81 by Tim
Hartnell 1981; The ZX81 Companion by Robert Maunder 1981; 49 Explossive
Games fo the ZX81 by Tim Hartnell 1981; Microcomputer Experimentation with
the Intel SDK-85 by Lance Leventhal and Colin Walsh 1980;Socrates KB not
tested yet; AT&T 6300 mono monitor; a complete set of manuals for the 6300;
Commodore Buyers guide; Atari Logo reference manual; MAI systen cartridges;
Daynafile guide and diskettes; Timex Sinclair 1016 memory module; Sinclair
ZX81 basic programming manual; Commodore 1541C users guide; Sorates voice
cartridge users manual 1988; Upgrading and repairing PC's by QUE 1988;
HP87; and many other items that do not meet the 10 year rule but the prices
were right get them now and hold until they do. Well that's my short list
so Keep Computing John
<> I missed a few... D11, T11, 68030, HP Saturn, 7811 (if we're counting
<> embedded chips that we've never programmed :-)), 8x305, Z8, probably
<I didn't quite mean that :-) I was just interested to note that some
<micros that were once well-known aren't well-represented in your list, o
<Allison's, or mine. Only one occurrence of the 9900, no F8, only one
<Cosmac, ... Perhaps three people is just too small a sample to show al
<of the ones that faded from popularity (and maybe nobody else here is
<interested :-)) Not a lot of DSPs either, though of course they're more
<"modern".
Well the F8 while known was not hobbiest fodder being aimed at embedded
systems. Same can eb said for z8. The 9900 as I refer to it was not the
TI99/4a(have those too) but a Technico SBC, due to a lack of TI support it
was not that popular. However the TI99/4a is still quite popular.
Others I've worked with 78pg11(uCOM78) were aimed at embedded
applications. I might add that my time as a product engineer at NEC in
the early '80s had me designing in that part as well as supporting it
along with ucom4 and ucom75 4bit micros.
The RCA1802 was sort of a square egg. It had popularity for a short
while. People lost interest after that, partly as RCA discontinued
it by the mid 80s. Also because it was slow and had a relatively
poor(primitive) instruction set and a total lack of high level languages
other than tinybasic.
The advent of more complete systems like apple and trs80 and decreasing
prices helped focus the market on two key players 6502 and z80 and it
would remain that way until the 68000 and 8088(x86) would displace them.
Allison
Hey folks,
While I've got a 68000/08/10/ book, I'm in need of some
documentation for the 68881 which comes built in to the 68030.
I checked at Quantum books (next to MIT - _THE_ place to check
around here) among several other technical book stores.
Unfortunately, I can't seem to find it for sale
anywhere... seems like the 68k like has really died the hard
death. Soooo, if anyone has an extra copy they're interested
in selling please contact me.
Thanks!
--jmg
John Foust said:
>I just got 21 rolls of original yellow Teletype 1" tape from
>someone on the RTTY mailing list for the cost of shipping, and I
>promised to share the wealth, so ...
Well, do you know if it's oiled or unoiled? I'm not sure but I think I
may need the oiled. I need to ask someone. My wife says that this tape I
have has the distinct smell of machine oil. It should make the punch block
last longer.
I was just going to order a 1/4 case from Western Numerical Control
(http://www.westnc.com/paptape.html). That's 7 rolls for $33.00, in
all kinds of colors. And they are close by in Grass Valley,CA.
I also want to ask them about the toxicity of paper tape. (My two
sheppards think everything is a toy for them to fight over.)
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< Does anyone have info on a Teletek SBC-1 Z80-based single-board
<computer? Copyright is 1981. It's loaded except for RAM (from what I can
<see). It has a Z80 CPU, PIO, SIO, and CTC. There are a couple of blank
<sockets, and a TMM2016P-2 memory chip (a 2716??). It appears to be built
<a S-100 card.
First off 2016 is a byte wide ram. I sounds like someone stripped the
card. The SBC-1 was a complete Z80cpu(4 or 6mhz)/64kram/eprom/IO card
it was designed to be used as a slave to the Systemaster cpu card. The
2016 was used to create a FIFO so that block IO coul be used to
communicate with it. the only thing it lacked to be a complete S100
cp/m system on a board was disk IO. The system master card had all that
and FDC as well.
Allison
<Were they DOT MATRIX? I'll bet they're not big old noisy line printers u
<they're sound covered and about 4 feet tall.
LA120 was dot matrix and it's fame was the longest running DEC produced
printer. Reason for that, it could do 8part carbons! IT was considered
teh best vax hard copy console.
Allison
On Apr 25, 18:02, Tony Duell wrote:
> I missed a few... D11, T11, 68030, HP Saturn, 7811 (if we're counting
> embedded chips that we've never programmed :-)), 8x305, Z8, probably
other
> 650x and 680x chips embedded in things. Can I count the CPU array chips
> in a DAP, please <grin>.
>
> > However, what's surprising about these lists is not what's there, but
> > what's missing.
>
> What do you think I should have included? I may just have forgotten I
> used it...
I didn't quite mean that :-) I was just interested to note that some
micros that were once well-known aren't well-represented in your list, or
Allison's, or mine. Only one occurrence of the 9900, no F8, only one
Cosmac, ... Perhaps three people is just too small a sample to show all
of the ones that faded from popularity (and maybe nobody else here is
interested :-)) Not a lot of DSPs either, though of course they're more
"modern".
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
I have been rearranging my storage area and uncovered a HP 1611A Logic State
Analyser fitted with a Z80 option that I picked up a few years ago.
I have no idea what one would do with this. Should I cherish it? Play with
it?
Does one need the specific manual or are these generic and perhaps explained
in standard texts?
There are a number of plugin points for various types of probes, none of
which I have off course. It powers up fine though.
Indeed, what a haul (at least if you're into DEC stuff).
Thanks to the kindly folk at St. Martin's College about 40 miles south of
me, I am now the proud owner of:
* A PDP-11/44 and its rack...
* A Fujitsu 'Eagle' drive (and it's weight!)
* A Cipher 880 front-loader tape drive...
* Numerous distribution tapes for several versions of RSTS/E, including
one for ver. 9.7(!)...
* Various bits of documentation. Unfortunately, not a lot on RSTS itself
(much of it got trashed along with the -- get this -- distribution kit for
RSTS 10! Dang, I was pissed when I heard about that...)
And, thanks to my friends at RE-PC, I have also acquired a pair of M4 Data
model 9914 9-track SCSI tape drives. These are neat boxes! Quad density
(800/1600/3200/6250), autoloading, neat front panel with alphanumeric
display, etc.
It's been a busy weekend. Now, if you'll pardon me, I need to go collapse
and snore my brains out. ;-)
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...mostly because I do not want to throw the stuff out/scrap it...
(1) Miniscribe 8425SA drive, removed from a Mac Plus. I assume it works
still, but do not quote me on that. It seemed to power up fine just a
few minutes ago. The Mac was in very poor condition, so
that got scrapped.
(1) Kaypro 81-045-02 PeeCee. This appears to be their version of the XT
(oh, joy), but unlike most clones, is a little better built. It uses no
motherboard, just a passive backplane with a CPU card. This one has a 20
meg Seagate drive and a Samsung (yuck!) CGA tube. It works, and has only
DOS 5.0 on it. The nice thing about this is that most of the chips are
socketed!
(5) Ink ribbons for the IBM 5103 printer. Still sealed, these come with a
goofy plastic glove for the CE. OK, so there are probably not even five
5103s left in the world...
(1) Computer Wharehouse Store catalog, Spring-Summer 1977. SWTPC! Imsai!
Kim-1! $1200 floppy drives! A slice from the "good old days" of the micro.
The pages are a bit yellow, but in good shape. The cover is also nice, but
the previous owner scribbled his name on the top.
Really, if _anyone_ wants any of this stuff, speak up and make a SILLY
offer. I will ship anything but the Kaypro (I could deliver it to RCS/RI
in Providence, RI, however). Trades are good for the stuff as well. Not
first come first serve - I will decide "winners" in a day or two, just to
give those with restricted or slow email a chance.
William Donzelli
Carmel, NY 10512
william(a)ans.net
Hello, all:
Does anyone have info on a Teletek SBC-1 Z80-based single-board
computer? Copyright is 1981. It's loaded except for RAM (from what I can
see). It has a Z80 CPU, PIO, SIO, and CTC. There are a couple of blank
sockets, and a TMM2016P-2 memory chip (a 2716??). It appears to be built on
a S-100 card.
Thanks!
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On Apr 25, 1:39, Tony Duell wrote:
> Allison wrote:
> > I have: 1802, SC/MP, 6800, 6809, NEC D78PG11, 8748/9, 8751, 8080/8085,
> > z80, z180, z280, z8002, z8001, 808x, 8018x, 80286, 80386, 80486 and the
> > micro version of minis 6100(pdp-8), 6120(PDP-8+EMA) TI9900, PDP11(T-11,
> > F11, J-11).
> Let's see how I do :
>
> Ones I have : (possibly embedded, but I've designed machines round a
> number of these...)
>
> SC/MP, 8008, 8080, 1802, 8085, Z80, 64180, 8086, 8088, 80286, 80386,
80486,
> 68000, 68010, 68020, 68040, T212 (or maybe T225), T425, T801, T805,
> PIC16C84, PIC17C42, F11, J11, 6502, 6809, 6800, 6803, 4040, 8048 (and
> 8035), 8051 (and 8031, 8032), ARM2, ARM3, R2000, 6120, Z8001, 32016, 2901
> etc (does that count), 3001 etc (ditto), and doubtless more that I've
> forgotten...
I can't beat that...
8008, 8085, 8088, 8086, 80186, 80286, 80386, 80486, V20, Z80, Z8, Z8001
(but in foam, not a system), 6502, 65C12, 6800, 6809 (in foam), 68HC11,
8032, 8035, 8048, 68000, 68010, 68020, assorted PICs, ARM2, ARM3, R4600,
Sparc, 2901, D11, F11, T11, J11, 6100, and probably a few embedded "things"
and others I've forgotten, but I wouldn't claim to have programmed all of
them.
However, what's surprising about these lists is not what's there, but
what's missing.
What's a 3001, BTW?
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
At 09:50 PM 4/24/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Zane H. Healy wrote:
>
[snippies]
>
>What makes you think the Evil Empire is behind this? Did Microsoft buy
>Wang recently? If not, they'll get hit with the same suit.
>
[s]
>-- Doug
Have a look at http://www.mozilla.org/.
<> Allison wrote:
<> > I have: 1802, SC/MP, 6800, 6809, NEC D78PG11, 8748/9, 8751, 8080/8085
<> > z80, z180, z280, z8002, z8001, 808x, 8018x, 80286, 80386, 80486 and t
<> > micro version of minis 6100(pdp-8), 6120(PDP-8+EMA) TI9900, PDP11(T-1
<> > F11, J-11).
By and large including the 8008 and VAX I've programmed and designed with
all. The key thing is I have working examples of all but the 8008.
Drat, I forgot the NEC unique 4 bitters the uCOM4 and ucom75 series
designed them into and programmed them as well.
<What's a 3001, BTW?
3001 is an intel bit slice (2 bits per).
Allison
