I had never seen that Toshiba chip before. The 2716 was just a guess
based on the part number. I'd guess that it's 200ns RAM. Is it a 2kw
chip?
The Toshiba part was a regular 2016/6116 2KBx8 static RAM. Same pinout
as the 2716 except for the additional WR* line. IIRC there were LP (low
power CMOS) versions too, various speed grades.
SDS (S.D. Sales) made an S-100 similar to the Teletek, except it could
be configured as either a bus master main Z80 CPU card or a slave card.
In master mode it had a memory manager, I think the full 24 bits. In
slave mode the on-board 64KB of RAM could be memory mapped on a 64K
boundary anywhere in the full 24-bit S-100 address space. It had a
serial port (maybe 2, SIO or DART?) and a SASI port, the early
predecessor of SCSI.
It didn't have much in the way of software support for the slave mode,
so I haven't done anything with it. My ambition is to make it a Z80
co-processor card in a Concurrent DOS system 80286 system.
Jack Peacock
On Apr 27, 18:33, Tony Duell wrote:
> Pete Turnbull wrote:
> > AFAIR the ordinary probes are just micro-hooks on single wires, which
> > plug into a little distribution box on the end of a ribbon cable.
>
> Are you _sure_? Every logic analyser that I have ever worked with has
> quite a bit of circuitry in the 'pod'.
That's possible, but the probes themselves definitely are just wires with
clips (albeit a beautifully made version). I'll take a look this week.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
On Apr 27, 13:04, emanuel stiebler wrote:
> You don't have a kind of this art about a pdp11/53 (KDJ11-D/S, M7554,
> 50-1670-02) ?
Sorry, I've used one (once, briefly) but I don't have any docs apart from
what's in the Field Guide that Tim keeps on sunsite.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:18:49 -0400, allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J
Parent) wrote:
>There are a couple of blank sockets, and a TMM2016P-2 memory chip (a
2716??)...
>>First off 2016 is a byte wide ram.
I had never seen that Toshiba chip before. The 2716 was just a guess
based on the part number. I'd guess that it's 200ns RAM. Is it a 2kw chip?
>>I sounds like someone stripped the card.
Actually, of 63 chips, only the 16 RAM chips, a 24-pin socket next to
the uP, and two 16-pin chips near the PIO and CTC chips are empty.
>>The SBC-1 was a complete Z80cpu(4 or 6mhz)/64kram/eprom/IO card it was
designed to >>be used as a slave to the Systemaster cpu card. The 2016 was
used to create a FIFO so >>that block IO could be used to communicate with
it. The only thing it lacked to be a complete >>S100 cp/m system on a board
was disk IO. The system master card had all that
>>and FDC as well.
Do you have any schematics or other info on this board?
Rich Cini/WUGNET
<nospam_rcini(a)msn.com> (remove nospam_ to use)
ClubWin! Charter Member (6)
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
============================================
>> I don't remember ever seeing a desktop PC coming from them. Anybody know
>> how rare this box is? Sounds like a keeper.
>
>That is exactly why I really do not want to junk the thing. Now any of you
>could have the thing for a song, but it just is quite large to ship (the
>shipping bill would probably be five times what the thing is worth!).
>Unless someone _really_ ($$$) wants it, I really do not want to ship it.
>
>Just about eveything else is unclaimed. Am I the only person on the list
>with an IBM 5103 printer (yes, it is the mate for the 5100)?
>
>William Donzelli
>Carmel, NY
>william(a)ans.net
>
I think yes, you are the only person with a 5103 printer. I have a 5100
but no printer. Didn't know until your message that they even made one!
So I guess I don't need the ribbons...yet...
However--
I am interested in this --
(1) Computer Wharehouse Store catalog, Spring-Summer 1977. SWTPC! Imsai!
Kim-1! $1200 floppy drives! A slice from the "good old days" of the micro.
The pages are a bit yellow, but in good shape. The cover is also nice, but
the previous owner scribbled his name on the top.
-- if it's still available.
--Larry
Well thanks for letting me put the things I had up here on the list.
I've sold or traded both the Kontron logic analyzer pair and the Tek
7612D digitizer.
I still have a single channel 10mhz RCA solid state scope in great
(looks new, works new) shape with manual. It's a model WO-535A and is
>from approx 1975 time period. I need $100 for this to fund a few odd
projects such as buying a Snappy 3 video capture.
Please contact me by direct email.
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I have a book that hasn't even been used here that may be of interest to
those of you into vitual programming on a PC.
The title is "Playing God - Creating Virtual Worlds With REND386" by the
Bernie Rohl and published by the Waite Group. Includes a still-sealed
3.5" disk fullof source code for C++ and other neat looking things. Made
to run on a 386SX to a Pentium machine with VGA, 4mb RAM and a hard
disk. It says it's an intermediate level book.
The cover price on this glossy softcover with disk is $29.95. Anyone
interested in it? You can have it for $15 which includes mailing within
the continental 48 states.
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Phone: (502) 756-1749 Data/Fax:(502) 756-6991
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Now this is interesting---Perseus Development Corporation developed a new
version of their SurveySolutions for the TRS-80 Model I. 4K required, but
as always, more is better.
The date of the release is suspicious (April 1, 1998) but still, it is
interesting and the source code is available. The web page is at
http://www.perseus.com/trs-80/
-spc (Neat, even if it is somewhat of a joke ... )
Hi Pete,
----------
> From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: q-bus M7551 q22 mos memory
> Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 12:20 PM
>
> Typed it in, copied (more or less) from the microPDP11 Maintenance
Manual.
> The blame for the crude ASCII art is all mine, though.
BLAME !?!?!
Its great.
You don't have a kind of this art about a pdp11/53 (KDJ11-D/S, M7554,
50-1670-02) ?
thanks,
emanuel
Well, it looks like were have been outbid. Oh well, at least the machine
is going somewhere good (and I think I know where).
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
On Apr 27, 9:25, emanuel stiebler wrote:
> P.S. Where you got it ? Or you typed it in ?
Typed it in, copied (more or less) from the microPDP11 Maintenance Manual.
The blame for the crude ASCII art is all mine, though.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
Hi, Emanuael.
> no. i have a Revison D. Part Number 5-17547-01-D1-P2. 2 MByte DRAM.
Lookes
> like a Revsion C, i'm only missing (not really) the battery backup
options
> W1, W3.
That's useful to know -- thanks!
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
OK... here's the current scoop. Sam Ismail has claimed the DEC networking
book and the Microsystems handbook. I still have available the DHV11
technical manual, the Everex manual, and the DEC programming card.
The remainder of the hardware is on hold pending a possible taker. Thanks
to all those who responded.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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(Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
It seems to be all in the very preliminary stages, but time is running
out...
Does anyone on the list have space for a large (two-rack) Multiflow Trace
machine? One has popped up, and it seems that RCS/RI has a big interest in
it, but we might run out of time before we can set up a mover. A cormer of
a garage might be nice for just a short time, just in case the machine's
current owner needs the thing out of the San Diego place on short notice.
If RCS/RI just can not pull this off, does anyone want the thing?
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
Hi Pete,
second one,
----------
> From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: q-bus M7551 q22 mos memory
> Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 7:41 AM
>
> There are 2 layouts, Revision A and Revision C.
no. i have a Revison D. Part Number 5-17547-01-D1-P2. 2 MByte DRAM. Lookes
like a Revsion C, i'm only missing (not really) the battery backup options
W1, W3.
cheers,
emanuel.
P.S. Great painting !!!
Ok, since I intend to use this thing to work on computer related gear older
than 10 years old (my 083 card sorter for example), I'm proclaiming this
inquiry off-limits for random flamage! B^}
Does anyone out there have info (like the tube/switch charts) for an EICO
Model 635 portable tube tester? I've picked up one that is in very good
shape, but is otherwise useless without the charts for switch settings.
-jim
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Computer Garage Fax - (503) 646-0174
I'll be having fun friday...
I get to go argue with a professional junk guy over a KS-10. The company that
owns it wanted it melted down, to protect some confidential data they had on it.
SO, I'm gonna say "None of your data is on the CPU, just the disk packs,
so he can have the packs. There." The drives are 2 RP06es. (Yes, I know I
need 3-phase. Mark says he knows where to get an RM80 or two. Is there
any way around having to have 3-phase for the RPs? I was told they fail every
other 10 minutes, is it even worth it?) It did run TOPS-20, but I'm chasing
after ITS tapes for it. Even if I don't end up getting it, I may get the CPU
cards and backpanels, and then I know someone who has the rest of a KS.
Failing that, if the junk guy gets everything, I know someone else who has
a whole KS, but no operating system. So, one way or another, we're gonna get
a running ITS installation out of this...
Am I supposed to be this nervous?
I've never had to actually argue with a junk guy over a machine, in front of
a buncha suits... (Division heads or something. The actual company is QUITE
large... *hint* *hint*...)
-------
Hi Pete ...
----------
> From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: q-bus M7551 q22 mos memory
> Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 7:41 AM
>
> On Apr 26, 11:36, emanuel stiebler wrote:
>
> > does anybody have a description of the jumpers & dil-switches ?
>
> Sure. The DIL switches are small rectangular objects about 0.4" x 0.7"
> and the jumpers... (Sorry, I can rarely resist that :-))
THIS WAS A GOOD ONE. ROFL...
thanks,
emanuel
P.S. Where you got it ? Or you typed it in ?
>Does anybody have a MINDSET computer? I vaguely recall these as the first
>multimedia PC from the early 80's. I just found a stereo module for one,
>and now I'm in search of the rest of one :-)
>
You can't have mine.
MINDSET was about as you recall. It built in 1984 as a super-multimedia
80186-based PC-compatible (well, mostly-compatible, anyway.) For 1984,
the graphics were superb and it had (IIRC) a video-in connection so you
can use the computer as a character generator/paintbox. I think it was
packed with a low-end cousin to the Time Arts Lumena paint program and
was THE machine for graphic artists. Remember, this was a year and a half
before the Amiga - which, whene IT came out, pretty much took over
Mindset's market.
The Mindset has a unique and quite beautiful white bi-level case design.
So pretty in fact that the Museum of Modern Art put one in their design
collection - the first computer placed in their collections.
Much of the hardware was proprietary - weird memory modules and it also
accepted plug in progrram cartridges.
Mindset didn't last too long as a company. They DID build a second model,
an AT-based machine in charcoal gray. I've seen it once and never read
anything about it
I found my original Mindset last year, complete with a couple of
expansion RAM modules, the boot disks and the paint cartridge.
Like I said, it's gorgeous and you can't have it. Nyah. But - I might
make you a deal on the stereo module!
--Larry
On Apr 26, 11:36, emanuel stiebler wrote:
> does anybody have a description of the jumpers & dil-switches ?
Sure. The DIL switches are small rectangular objects about 0.4" x 0.7"
and the jumpers... (Sorry, I can rarely resist that :-))
I think this is what you want:
There are 2 layouts, Revision A and Revision C.
___ ___
| \__________________||______________________||___________________/ |
| 5017547A1 o |
| R o-o W5| |
| P o-o o-o |
| N o-o W6 |
| M o-o |
| oA |
| o |
| __oB |
| | |1 |
| SW1 | | o W1 |
| | | o |
| M7551-AA |___|6 o W2 |
| MSV11-QA oK |
| REV.A o |
| oL |
| ___ |
| | |1 |
| SW2 | | |
| | | |
| |___|6 |
| |
| o |
| C | D |
| o-o |
| +5V o-o-o |
| o-o J H |
|_ _|| _|| _|| | _|
| | | | | | | o +5VB |
|______________| |______________| |______________| |______________|
___ ___
| \__________________||______________________||___________________/ |
| 5017547-01-C1 |
| J11,9,7,5 |
| J10,8,6,4 |
| |
| J3 J2 J1 |
| ___ |
| | |1 |
| M7551-xA SW2 | | |
| MSV11-Qx | | |
| REV.C |___|6 |
| |
| where x = A = 1MB ___ |
| x = B = 2MB | |1 |
| x = C = 4MB SW1 | | |
| | | |
| |___|6 |
| |
| |
| o o |
| +-o o-+ |
| W3 | o o | W1 |
| +-o o-+ |
| J17,16,15 J14,13,12 |
| |
|_ _|| _|| _|| _|
| | | | | | | |
|______________| |______________| |______________| |______________|
Address switches:
Start Address End Address
Board No SW1 SW2 SW2
Version in system 4 5 6 4 5
MSV11-QA 1 0 0 0 1 1
2 1 1 1 0 1
3 0 1 1 1 0
4 1 0 1 0 0
MSV11-QB 1 0 0 0 1 1
2 0 1 1 0 0
MSV11-QC 1 0 0 0 0 0
0=ON, 1=OFF
SW2-1, -2, -3 and SW1-1, -2, -3 are all ON.
SW1-6 is not used.
CSR Address:
Rev.A jumpers R,P,N,M all IN
Rev.C jumper J4-J5, J6-J7, J8-J9, J10-J11 AND then:
Board No
in system CSR addr
1 17772100
2 17772102
3 17772104
4 17772106
The other Rev.A jumpers are:
W1 IN block mode enabled
W6 IN Manufacturing test (do not remove)
B IN CSR selection enabled
C IN Manufacturing test (do not remove)
H IN enable parity error detection
L IN 22-bit addressing selected
+5V/+5VB do not use, this module does NOT support
battery-backup option
The other Rev.C jumpers are:
J1-J2 IN Manufacturing test (do not remove)
J13-J14 IN on -QA Select 64K RAMs
OUT on -QB,-QC
J15-J16 IN on -QA Select 64K RAMs
OUT on -QB,-QC
J12-J13 IN on -QB,-QC Select 256K RAMs
OUT on -QA
J16-J17 IN on -QB,-QC Select 256K RAMs
OUT on -QA
W1,W3 IN Battery backup option setting
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
Questions:
Does anyone haveSolddering For an idiot projects... something to do with
electronics and soldering
Or for that matter PCB Projects, for an idiot (as above) such as me.
Wanted:
PC-DOS 1.x or MS DOS 1.x/2.x for and XT, with a failing HDD.
Anyone?
Thanks,
Tim D. Hotze
Anyone interested in this? I know the guy and he's a very decent person
so you don't have to worry about "getting the wrong thing" I think it's
free anyway. Contact Jeff by driect email at either jarrod95(a)juno.com or
jarrod95(a)jadeinc.com
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Jeff Young <jarrod95(a)juno.com>
Columbus, Ohio USA - Sunday, April 26, 1998 at 19:21:49
Any one interested in an Old IBM PCX3 with monitor, and another
computer and all we can find on it is System
1800, also have a Mono monitor, ADC. Contact me or they are going
to the recyle bin.
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>How about the CAI system that CDC had (I can't remember the
name off hand
>at the moment - I think my brain is broken - I couldn't even
remember the
>brand name of some wine I wanted to buy yesterday... Will
chewing on a
>floppy disk or two improve things :-). From my limited exposure
it's likely
>that the CDC thingy :-) had a browser style interface.
>
I saw a CDC demo of that once circa 1974, as I recall it was
called "Plato", used a nice orange plasma display, limited
animation, astronomical price. CDC had grandiose plans it would
be used in schools, like every high school in the country could
afford a $2 million CDC 6600 to support it. Kinda sad actually,
once Cray left CDC they didn't have a clue as to what to do
afterwards, the big iron Cyber 6000s went nowhere, the company
wound up running payroll services (the remnants of CDC are now
known as Ceridian, a batch payroll services company).
Jack Peacock
Time to clean out at least part of my garage, especially in light of the
new arrivals. All offerings are freebies, though it would be nice if I
could get -something- in trade. ;-)
Please bear in mind two things.
1). I cannot ship anything other than the books. The disk and tape drives
are too darn big and heavy, and would require specialized packaging in any
case.
2). Dave Jenner has first pick since he E-mailed me this morning before I
posted the list. I'll post an update if he wants any of the stuff.
With that in mind, I have the following to offer:
1). HP 7974 9-track vertical tape drive, with all mounting hardware. 1600
BPI, Pertec interface, supplied with the hardware to convert it (if
desired) to a GPIB interface. Excellent condition, powers up and loads
fine, have not actually tested it with a working system.
2). (Definitely a freebie!) 83-84 vintage System Industries SMD disk
drive. Spins up, makes lots of noise, don't know if it works. Comes with
mounting rails.
3). Cipher 880 tape drive, dual-density (1600/3200). Condition: Who knows?
Freebie.
4). Books! I've got spare copies of:
DEC's 'Microsystems Handbook' for 1985
DEC's 'Introduction to Minicomputer Networks' vintage 1974
Everex 'Step 386' owner's manual
DEC PDP11 'Programming Card' quick-reference, vintage July 1975
DEC DHV11 Technical Manual.
Any takers?
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(Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)jps.net)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
<Anyone (finger points at Allison) have any stories about them? It looked
<fairly serious.
Bill gave the particulars on it, band printer like the want stuff RCSRI
has 300LPM and could slew paper fast enough to empty a box fast.
The hood gas shocks would dry out and somtimes people would get a finger
bit or their head konked good.
Bill likely remembers Pat Pattenden or Paul Howard as those guys were
the old timers with those.
Allison
