test-drb March 1998

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by djenner＠halcyon.com

I picked up an original PC/AT that has a dead lithium battery for the CMOS bios parameter storage. The battery says it's 6.8 volts. It's the kind that is a 1/2x1x2 inch pack with a six-inch lead. I've tried several places to find a replacement, but either a store doesn't have it, or, if they have one, the voltage is not exactly 6.8 volts. So, what's the acceptable voltage range, especially on the low end? And any good sources? Thanks, Dave

26 years, 4 months

DING DING! Back to your corners... WAS: Re: Irreverence to irrelevance

by lfb107＠psu.edu

I think we all need to take a step back, grab a few drinks, and try and look at what's going on here. So far, everyone has had some valid points. If we interpret the FAQ literally than perhaps Sam is right. I would tend to believe, however, that Bill Whitson's original idea was to have "liberal" restrictions on the group so as to perpetuate discussion of "classic" computers. Not all posts have adhered to the exact words of the FAQ. Some examples might be posts on logic probes or on "orphaned" machines that aren't necessarily 10 years old. The idea behind these posts is that it might be something that interests people who like to talk about classic computers or that this mailing list might actually be the best place to get info on that topic. There are noted exceptions of course, but I think that what would be best would be to ignore these posts and just delete them as was earlier suggested. I guess the main thing I'm trying to say is that the FAQ should'nt be treated as gospel but as *general* guidelines that should (normally) be adhered to. This means that instead of launching inquistions against people who may post off topic, a "Hey, please try and stay on topic for now on, but, yeah, I don't like AIWA CD players either" would be nice. There really is no need to attack poeple either. We all have our "allegiences" and we've all probably have had some kind of altercation with Sam in the past but I really think that we shouldn't take all this THAT seriously! Sam has called me an ass recently too. SO WHAT? I sent an e-mail back to him and called him an asshole too. CASE CLOSED. We're ALL assholes to some degree but when it comes down to it, if I need help putting an Apple II back together (something I know NOTHING about) than Sam is here to help. So... on that note. I am in need of some old removable SyQuest disks for an SQ555 drive. (the 44mb variety) Anybody know where I might find some? The local 'puter store still sells them for $40 a pop! Thanks, Les lfb107(a)psu.edu

26 years, 4 months

Washington DC area classics?

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Sorry about the typo's on my earlier response. If you are in the DC area during early June, don't miss the Manassas (Virginia) ham fest hosted by the Ole Virginia Hams, you should find some classics there. Otherwise check the local flea markets, thrift shops, yard sales etc. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Washington DC area classics? Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 3/24/98 11:57 AM Thanks for the info. Also, can I ask wherey ou can *get* classics? Seeing as I'm going to being in Guyana for a couple'a years, I'll need something to do... Cheers, Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Marty <Marty(a)itgonline.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Washington DC area classics? > National Museum of American History, 'Information Age: People, > Information and Technolgy' is a permanent exhibit. Curator of > cumpeters is David K. Allison. Museum is located at 14th Street and > Constitution Avenue on the Mall. Also, the Air and Space Museum, also > located on the Mall has a curator of areospace computing but I don't > know what is on display. The National Museum of American History is on > the web @ www.si.edu/organiza/museums/nmah/ > > Marty Mintzell > > > >______________________________ Reply Separator >_________________________________ >Subject: Washington DC area classics? >Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet >Date: 3/24/98 11:23 AM > > > Hi. I'm going to be going to Washington DC from early July to late July, > and I wanted to know if anyone knew any specific places that I might be able > to find classics while there. > Thanks, > > Tim D. 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26 years, 4 months

RA90

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

Oh, smaller is good! I assume it's lighter, too? (Is this something I can lift myself? Carrying that RA81 was a real pain in the a**!) -------

26 years, 4 months

Wargames

by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 06:50 PM 3/22/98 -0600, you wrote: >> >I just saw Wargames; what an excellent movie! I encourage >Is it just me or have these movies been out and already been tossed in >the bargain rental area at the video stores? You guys need to get out Um, I believe there are folks on this list who weren't *born* when that movie came out. Which only goes to show that the spirit of curiosity and challenge that motivated the rest of us to stay up all night writing code (or playing Zork) is not dead. What's even better is that the younger members of this list have combined that spirit with a sense of history; they will not be reinventing the wheel, but will be building on it. If you don't know why screens were traditionally 80 columns wide, you don't know if it's okay to toss that idea aside should the technology allows it. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

26 years, 4 months

Washington DC area classics?

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Thanks for the info. Also, can I ask wherey ou can *get* classics? Seeing as I'm going to being in Guyana for a couple'a years, I'll need something to do... Cheers, Tim D. Hotze -----Original Message----- From: Marty <Marty(a)itgonline.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Washington DC area classics? > National Museum of American History, 'Information Age: People, > Information and Technolgy' is a permanent exhibit. Curator of > cumpeters is David K. Allison. Museum is located at 14th Street and > Constitution Avenue on the Mall. Also, the Air and Space Museum, also > located on the Mall has a curator of areospace computing but I don't > know what is on display. The National Museum of American History is on > the web @ www.si.edu/organiza/museums/nmah/ > > Marty Mintzell > > > >______________________________ Reply Separator >_________________________________ >Subject: Washington DC area classics? >Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet >Date: 3/24/98 11:23 AM > > > Hi. I'm going to be going to Washington DC from early July to late July, > and I wanted to know if anyone knew any specific places that I might be able > to find classics while there. > Thanks, > > Tim D. Hotze > > > ------ Message Header Follows ------ > Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com > (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) > id AA-1998Mar24.112302.1767.33662; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:23:03 -0500 > Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) > by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP > id IAA28268; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:13:15 -0800 > Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) > by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP > id IAA44194 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 > 08:13:03 -0800 > Received: from sv10.batelco.com.bh (sv10.batelco.com.bh [193.188.97.227]) > by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP > id IAA24464 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:13:01 > > -0800 > Received: from hotze ([193.188.98.88]) by sv10.batelco.com.bh > (post.office MTA v1.9.3b ID# 0-13092) with SMTP id AAA19413 > for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; > Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:13:04 +0300 > Message-Id: <003901bd573f$d1b38040$b162bcc1@hotze> > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:12:44 +0300 > Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu > Precedence: bulk > From: "Hotze" <photze(a)batelco.com.bh> > To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" > <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Washington DC area classics? > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-To: "Classic Computer" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN >

26 years, 4 months

Washington DC area classics?

by Marty＠itgonline.com

National Museum of American History, 'Information Age: People, Information and Technolgy' is a permanent exhibit. Curator of cumpeters is David K. Allison. Museum is located at 14th Street and Constitution Avenue on the Mall. Also, the Air and Space Museum, also located on the Mall has a curator of areospace computing but I don't know what is on display. The National Museum of American History is on the web @ www.si.edu/organiza/museums/nmah/ Marty Mintzell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Washington DC area classics? Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 3/24/98 11:23 AM Hi. I'm going to be going to Washington DC from early July to late July, and I wanted to know if anyone knew any specific places that I might be able to find classics while there. Thanks, Tim D. Hotze ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists2.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Mar24.112302.1767.33662; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:23:03 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id IAA28268; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:13:15 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id IAA44194 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:13:03 -0800 Received: from sv10.batelco.com.bh (sv10.batelco.com.bh [193.188.97.227]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with ESMTP id IAA24464 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:13:01 -0800 Received: from hotze ([193.188.98.88]) by sv10.batelco.com.bh (post.office MTA v1.9.3b ID# 0-13092) with SMTP id AAA19413 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:13:04 +0300 Message-Id: <003901bd573f$d1b38040$b162bcc1@hotze> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:12:44 +0300 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Hotze" <photze(a)batelco.com.bh> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Washington DC area classics? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: "Classic Computer" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

26 years, 4 months

Washington DC area classics?

by photze＠batelco.com.bh

Hi. I'm going to be going to Washington DC from early July to late July, and I wanted to know if anyone knew any specific places that I might be able to find classics while there. Thanks, Tim D. Hotze

26 years, 4 months

Russian PDP-11 info source

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

In case anyone is interested I found an odd source of a little info on a Russian PDP-11 the BK0010. The February issue (107) of Amiga Format, which should currently be available in the US, has a section on Emulators, and they talk about the BK0010. In my area both Barnes and Nobles, and Borders books carry the magazine, with Borders carrying the version with CD coverdisks for ~$15, and B&N carrying the Floppy coverdisk version for ~$10.50. The emulator wouldn't be on the floppies, but it MIGHT be on the CD, I don't know, I've not had time to look at my CD. There is an emulator available, but the minimum system requirements are a 68020 WorkBench 2, and 1Mb RAM. A 40Mhz 68030 is recommended to get full speed, and apparently a 68060 is to fast. In all it's only about 8 paragraphs, but it might be of interest to some of the PDP-11 enthusiasts on the list. I've no idea if the emulator is available for any other machines, but it might run in the Amiga emulator if you have a fast enough machine to run that on. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | For Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ | | For the collecting of Classic Computers with info on them. | | see http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/museum.html |

26 years, 4 months

What's an RA90?

by DSEAGRAV＠toad.xkl.com

What's an RA90? Can I use one to replace a RA81? Are they removeable? Heavy? Bizarre? How big? The point is, this RA81 is dying and I have a chance to get a RA90. I haven't even seen it yet. Is this worth it? -------

26 years, 4 months

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