In a message dated 2/4/98 5:38:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mallison(a)konnections.com writes:
<< PS/2 = MCA
PS/1 = EISA
Agreed??
-Mike >>
nope.
ps/2=some ISA and mostly MCA
ps/1=ISA
<example, certainly is. I'm not saying we don't need 15 pins; I say we ne
<15 THICKER pins, and since this connector is typically the only connecto
<on the back of a VGA adapter, there's plenty of room.
Par of the resoning was that it should have a connector that is not like
any other. if it were a standard db9 or db15 you'd have people plugging
into the serial port screaming it don't work. It's bad enough that you
have people that will force things no matter what.
Allison
>First of all, did MS Xenix run on PC hardware?
Yes.
>Secondly, was there ever a Windows NT 1.0 and 2.0? How did they compare
>to a cheap version of UNIX?
No, the first Windows NT was V3.1 which matched the current shipping version
of Windows at that time. IMHO it was not even close to any reasonable version
of Unix but was/is much easier to configure.
Regards,
Bob
<NT prior to 3.x was called MS LAN Manager, and didn't compare particularl
<well to anything.
NT prior to NT wasn't. NT was a divergent design that is non dos
filesystem. LANMAN is the networking component of WFW3.11.
The divergence from OS/2 and windows3.x was also influenced by MS getting
Cutler an OS heavy that created DEC RSX-11 and early VMS incantations.
the idea of NT was clean sheet 32bit OS with multitasking, multiprocessing
and inherant networking all of which were glueons for windows. OS/2 was
a different path from NT with a different base designer.
In reality NT is not a stand alone OS as it requires windows as the user
interface wher OS/2 it was a add on. Also the roots for OS/2 go back
further and it was the DOS replacement with all the things that DOS
still does not have.
Allison
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kip Crosby [SMTP:engine@chac.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 2:16 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: Microsoft OSes
>
> NT prior to 3.x was called MS LAN Manager, and didn't compare particularly
> well to anything.
>
Hmm, couple of misconceptions there. First off, LAN Manager was a network
product, not an operating system. LanMan Server ran on top of OS/2 1.x, and
LanMan clients were available for MS-DOS and OS/2. LAN Manager 1.x was an
OEM product and was not sold by Microsoft. It was available as 3Com 3+Open,
IBM LAN Server, etc. LAN Manager 1.x was a first generation product, but
LAN Manager 2.x performed well and was the first network product to capture
significant market share away from NetWare, where many others had previously
failed. LAN Manager 2.x was also the first network server sold directly by
Microsoft.
Kai
Ok, if Xenix runs on PCs, does anyone have a copy they could send me?
(Piracy won't work, I want the manuals as well)
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First of all, did MS Xenix run on PC hardware?
Yes, 286 and above as I recall. Introduced August 1984.
Secondly, was there ever a Windows NT 1.0 and 2.0?
In a sense, this was OS/2. OS/2 1.x was a cooperative venture between
Microsoft and IBM, with the majority of the OS/2 core designed by MS
architect Gordon Letwin (ref: the 80s book _Inside OS/2_ by Letwin, MS
Press). The first version of Windows NT, 3.1, arose from a difference of
opinion between Microsoft and IBM over the future of advanced operating
systems; a difference of opinion created by the huge unanticipated success
of Windows 3.0. After the Win3.0 release, IBM and Microsoft development
paths diverged, with IBM focusing on OS/2 2.x, and Microsoft on Windows 3.x.
Both continued work on their 3.0 releases of advanced operating systems,
which became OS/2 Warp and Windows NT respectively.
Kai
My opinions not Microsoft's, etc.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Max Eskin [SMTP:maxeskin@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 1:02 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Microsoft OSes
>
> First of all, did MS Xenix run on PC hardware?
> Secondly, was there ever a Windows NT 1.0 and 2.0? How did they compare
> to a cheap version of UNIX?
>
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<The manual/documentation I have gives a procedure you can follow (manuall
<flipping the switches all the way) which is a self-test. Following the
<procedure you can check if your 8800b is working correctly. Using this
<procedure I tracked down several problems (loose wires to fron panel) bu
<still have the address light problem.
<
<I'll track down the procedure and explain further, if there is any intere
Having done that (owner of a 8800 early, early one) I know it well.
Allison
