tim shoppa:
:But you can't just run an Apple I emulator on the Apple II. The
:memory maps are completely different and the video chain of the
:Apple I is radically different than any home micro designed since
:the late 70's (i.e. it is *not* a memory-mapped video system; it's
:closer to a dumb terminal bolted onto a 6502. Well, a really dumb
:dumb terminal :-) )
hell, you can emulate anything on anything. it'd just mean you had to
emulate a 6502 on a 6502 and trap the pesky screen-write instructions.
then again, some things are better left undone... ;> for the benefit of
the unenlightened (ie. communa), could you please decsribe the
principles of the apple i's video system? thanks.
(or point us in the direction of such a description.)
-- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling
you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...
Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive
jeff said
:Oh man, now you're talking! I really wanted to Use Arachne as my
:web browser, but I could never get the TCP/IP package to work
:(either KLOS, or the other one whose name escapes me).
we had good results with DOSPPP, the conversions of the linux daemons.
they should be available on simtel. very good; haven't let us down yet
(except when the machine we run gets confused about which com ports it
has and hasn't got). and you can put pppd and comtool in your dos
directory and build a dialling batch file without lots of little bitty
files lying around :>
arachne is a good browser, yes (someone mentioned webspyder - that's
just arachne rebadged, isn't it?) but we got annoyed with the resources.
now we use a combination of htget and kevin solway's vh if we're
reading, or nettamer if we're searching.
-- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling
you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her...
Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive
I noticed it all right.... only off by the make of computer and 5
years... *sigh* <gag> <choak>
-Matt Pritchard
Graphics Engine and Optimization Specialist
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bill_r(a)inetnebr.com [SMTP:bill_r@inetnebr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 1998 8:36 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: IMSAI 8080 <> TRS-80
>
> Did anyone besides me notice that, judging by their ad in the latest
> issue of Computer Gaming World magazine, the software division of
> Metro Goldwyn Mayer (MGM INTERACTIVE INC.), producer of the original
> "Wargames" motion picture, doesn't know the difference between an
> IMSAI 8080 and a TRS-80? Their ad goes something like "In 1983, a
> teenage computer hacker almost destroyed the world with one of these:
> [picture of TRS-80 Model 1, with caption reading 'TRS-80, 4K RAM, no
> hard drive']". It goes on to talk about how much damage he could do
> with today's computers (go figure), and introduces their new
> "Wargames" computer game. Maybe the marketing department should jog
> down to the film vault and watch the movie, because _it_ used an IMSAI
> 8080 with a piece of paper stuck over the name for the young
> "hacker's" computer. Sheesh.
>
> -Bill Richman
> bill_r(a)inetnebr.com
> http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r
> (Home of the COSMAC Elf Simulator!)
What would be nice is an ELKS-like thing for DOS, so that one could
stick in a floppy disk, and it would boot into any program that you
choose, without Command.Com. This would be great for web browsers.
But I really don't get this emphasis on making multimedia kiosks with
weird software combos! Every other OS page is about this, and I would
like to see something besides using DOS to sell clothes...
>>QNX is a very small micro-kernel OS that has the look of Windows 95,
has
>>builtin TCP/IP networking, a notepad, a few other little doodads, and
to
>>top it off, a fully functional HTML 3.2 compliant web browser. Also
>
>Okay, QNX sounds pretty cool, but I hafta throw my vote in for Arachne.
>Graphical DOS web browser runs on anything, I think, and works great.
I
>found it when I was looking for something to preview my web pages in (I
do
>'em in a DOS Editor).
>
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From: DAVID FRITZKE
To: displaywriter
Subject: still want one??
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 1998 1:22PM
Hey,
I have an IBM displaywriter system I am looking to unload.
I thought I'd spend a second trying to find somebody who may
want one, and I ran across your address. I've got the whole
works, manuals, disks galore "toaster" floppy drive (what
is up with the dual cables??) I was hoping to find a driver
for the hammerhead printer so my Dad could use it with his
"new" 486dx33 and Microsoft word. The printer has a standard
serial connector, so I was hopin'...........???
dave
PS I wish I still had my Zenith PC2, sigh.
Hello:
This weekend I was fortunate to have made some very good finds.... all
in one place, all at one time! Anyway, below is a list of the truck-load
I got. Along with many of the items is a question or two, and this is
where
I am hoping you could please help me out! At the very end is the total
price I paid for everything as one lot. Let me know if you think it was
a good buy or not. Maybe let me know some current values to you
collectors?
Also let me know if you're interested in any of the items... we may be
able to work out a deal. Basically, all items can be considered
FOR-SALE!!
Remember, this is just what I acquired this last weekend. Feel free
to check out the URL on my signature at the bottom to find our complete
inventory (well, minus about 5000 items we are trying to get entered
into
the computer!!) Oh, and the site is quite new, so many links are broken
yet, and the pages are far from complete!! Give me a few days :-)
Oh, please forgive me, as I know some of you don't enjoy reading these
"weekend additions." But, I figured this was the best place to post my
questions as well.
Thank you very much, and please let me know if you would like any of
this stuff, or have more information on any of it!
Thanks,
CORD COSLOR
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The list follows:
Computers/CPU's
----------------------
*Epson HX-40! On the front of this little laptop, it says "MajicBox."
Has a LCD, adjustable (tilt) display, full keyboard and is model #H401A.
It runs off batteries or a rechargeable battery pack which is still with
the machine. Has a "backup on/off" switch on the underside. Also on the
underside is a bay for programmable ROM chips. Without the chip
inserted,
it boots to an A> prompt, but I don't know what I can do after that.
Does
anyone have a BASIC chip for it. With the chip inserted, it boots to a
Pharmecy drug order program that is pretty slick. This computer has
ports
for cassette, seriel, RS-232C, and printer. Also has something labeled
cartridge out, but I can't get it to do anything. It looks like it's
been
converted with something that looks like a audio jack, from the factory
or factory add-on. There is also a small compartment on the right of the
monitor -- unknown use. It looks very similar to the Epson HX-20 --
which
is known as the first lap-top. Could some of you give me some more
information
on my particular unit? I could find no information searching the web!
*Data General One laptop. This was made by Data General in the early
1980s.... it is said to be the first successful laptop. Full screen, and
two 3.5" disk drives. Curious if it has a ahrd drive inside. I really
need
power supply information for this, does anyone have it?? What type of
software
does it run? This is in near mint condition and want to get it up and
running.
It is said to be working, but I really need that power supply!!
*Visual -- I have no information on this one! Full keyboard.. missing
the keypad Return key. Dual 5.25" drives. Has a phone jack i the front
by the keyboard. It says the Model is a Visual 1083, and is made by
Visual
in Lowell, MA. Does anyone have more information on this???
*Hewlett Packard 9121. Does anyone have some info on this for me? It
has dual 3.5" drives. No monitor, etc. with it. What kind of software
does
it run, etc., etc.?
*Laser 386/SX-25 CPU. Has both 3.5" and 5.25" disk drives. Also has
a VGA card, and a 100+ meg hard drive. Boots up great --- has 1.5 (??)
meg of Ram.... need a keyboard for this guy. I thought my TRS-80 Model
2000 keyboard would work. The keyboard gets power, recognizes caps,
etc.,
but still get a keyboard error --- anyone have any ideas?
*Apple //c computer. Works perfectly
*Apple //c computer. Works perfectly
*Apple //c computer. Works perfectly
*Apple //c computer. Works perfectly
*3 empty Apple //e cases. Does have keyboard and keyboard circuitry.
One case has a volume knob and a ear-phone jack added to it.
*Apple //e computer. Long cable coming out of the back.
*Franklin Ace 1000 computer. Apple compatible... great condition.
*TRS-80 Model 1 - keyboard only. Missing the #8 key from the keypad.
Cat # 26-1006
*Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer 2 - cat# 26-3026 Serial # 0007201-
a lot of yellowing.
*Tandy Personal Computer keyboard for the Tandy 1000 series.
* Tandy TRS-80 Personal Computer keyboard for the TRS-80 Model 2000
computer
*Tandy TRS-80 Model 2000 #26-5103 - great condition. Dual 5.25" drives.
What DOS does this run?
*Commodore Vic-20 computer. Great shape, works excellent!
*Commodore Plus/4 computer. Mint condition with original box, power
supply, & cables. Also both factory manuals.
*Commodore 128D computer. Mint condition CPU. No monitor, disk drives,
cables, etc. What does it take... also what type of keyboard does it
use?
Monitors
----------
*Apple monochrome monitor. Aug. 1989 - Model #A2M6016
* Apple //c monochrome (?) monitor - Model #G090S -- has some screen
shimmying going on.
*Apple high-resolution monochrome monitor. Model # M0400 works great.
*Tandy TRS-80 High Resultion Color Monitor CM-1 . Model #26-5112 with
all cables.
*Tandy RGB Color Monitor CM-5
*Three more Apple monitors -- info on them not handy right now. Oh,
one is an Apple /// monitor?
Disk drives, other storage
-----------
*Three IBM disk drives (5.25") info. not available right now on them.
*2 more Apple disk drives - specifics not handy right now.
*FileSafe Tape Series 7150 by Mountain. I believe this is a type of
tape storage system. I have no power supply, and am wanting more
information
on this. What computers used it?
*Percomm Data 5.25" disk drive. No other writing on this silver case.
Probably used with a TRS-80 Model 1 or similar computer.
*Disk //c for the Apple //c. Model #A2M4050. Does this run off of the
computer's power supply? It must.
*5.25" disk drive. No information on it. It says it is by AE. External.
Has built-in interface cable.
*3 external Apple Unidisk drives.
*Apple 3.5" disk drive for the macintosh. Model #M0130.
*Super 5 5.25" disk drive. No info on this except it was made by EI-EN
Enterprises in Tokyo.
* 2 more Apple Disk // external drives.
*Franklin Ace 10 disk drive for the Franklin Ace 1000. 5 1/4" disk
drive.with built-in cable.
*Apple UniDisk Model #A9M0104 -- newer style
*Apple disk drive(?) No writing on the 5.25" drive -- colored like
the Disk // units.
*Tandy 10 Meg hard disk system. What computers was this made for? 1000
series? #25-1025. Will it work with a Model 4 or CoCo 3?Underneath
It says 3 head 303 Cylinder. Last repaired in 1988.
*IBM 3.5" internal disk drive (??) Says TEC.
*Need more info. on this one. Internal drive the size of a 5.25" drive.
But, it looks like it takes small business-card sized wafers of some
sort.
Anyone heard of something like these for an IBM/compat?
Printers
----------
*Imagewriter // printer for Apple
*3 misc. printers - don't have their info right here now.
*Radio Shack TRS-80 lineprinter VII
*Radio Shack DMP 200
*Radio Shack Ink Jet Printer JP1000
*Commodore MPS 802
*Vic 1525 Graphic Printer
*Apple image writer 2
*Hush 80 P portable printer. This is an odd bird? More info.?? It is
by ergo systems. About a foot long by 4" wide. Looks like a thermal
printer?
Books/Manuals, etc
-----------------------
Commodore 64 Programmer;s Reference Guide. 486 pages by Commodore.
*Commodore 64 User's Guide - 170 pages or so --- by Commodore.
*Commodore Wordstar Colt manual. From MicroPro.
*Apple // UniDisk Owner's Manual
*Apple //c Owner's Manual
*Setting Up Your Apple //c
*Apple // Model 300/1200 User's Manual -- still in shrink wrap.
*leather Goddesses of Phobos cartoon maps by Infocom. Xerox's??
*Tandy DMP 203 User's Guide
*Commodore 1802 Color Monitor User's Guide
*ThinkTank: The First Idea Word Processor original manual and box for
the Apple Mac.
*A bunch of Apple books and manuals -- info. not handy right now.
*Apple //c Scrube Printer User's Guide to the //c still in shrinkwrap.
*Apple /// Imagewriter User's manual.
*Apple // Disk Two Installation Manual.
Miscellaneous
----------------
*Apple //c power supply
*Apple //c power supply
*Apple Scribe printer robbin cassette for use with Apple Scribe Printer.
Unused.
*Apple //c video accessories in original box. Comes with cable, TV
switch box, and Modulator... any more info??
*Commodore 128 power supply.
*Mustek Twain-Scan color handheld scanner. Still in box with
installation
software, PC card, & manuals!
*10 Blank 5.25" diskettes - Memorex 2s/2d
*Something called a BlackBox. It has a phone jack on one end and on
the other it plugs into some type of port. Model #ME723B-M -- does
anyone
have some info on this?
*KoalaPad. I think for the Commodore computer. Does anyone have some
more info on this? Maybe some software?
*Commodore Model 1200 Model #1670
*Joystick by IBM. Very small with a really odd connector on it (8 pin
squares).
*Concord Data System 224 - Is this a modem? It's a rectangualr box
has has phone jacks on the back, and many labeled lights on the front.
With power supply.
*Apple roller (whatever they're called)... oh, track-ball type of deal.
Model #Ap07055
*Three various Apple cables. TV/ Video cables, printer cables, and
something else.
Software
-----------
*Samna word processor for IBM Dos 2.0, 2.1, or 3.0 (3 disks) with
manual and book holder.
*The Hibbot for the Commodore 64 - with original box, manuals, maps,
etc. Distributed by Addision-Wesley.
*Radar Rat Race cartridge for the C-64
*MasterType cart for the C-64
*Below the Root (???) game copy on dissk for the Commodore 64.
*Aztec game original box, manual, and game disk for the Apple/Commodore.
*the Bard's Tale III Thief of Fate original box, manuals, code wheel,
and disks (2) for C-64.
*Aple //e original disk - An Introduction by Apple - written in Pascal.
*Volcanoe orginal game disk by Softsmith for the Apple // - Franklin
*OptionX " " " "
*Little Speller " " "
*SpaceWare Educational/Game software for the Apple series
*Thunderclock basic software by Thunderware for the Apple (Dos 3.3)
*Cosmos Screen Mixer utility software by Astar Co. for the Apple (?)
original disk
*The Assembler original disk by MicroSparc for the Apple
*Certificate Maker original disks for the Apple // (2 disks)
*The Newsroom for the Apple original disks by Springboard (2 disks)
*VisiCalc for Apple by Personal Software, Inc.
*VsiCalc progrma diskette for the Apple by VisiCorp.
*The Professional Sign Maker original disk for Apple by Sunburst
Software.
*Apple //+, //e demo disk by Robot Corp
*The Star Gazer's Guide for the APple original disk.
*Xerox Desktop Publishing Series (10 disks) plus 4 disks of a patch.
All original-- more info??
*Macrosoft for Apple
*VAI II operating software for the Apple ][ and ][e
*VAI II Exercises original disk for the Apple
* Frogger for the Apple, distrib. by Main STreet Publishing
*Space Shuttle, A Journey into Space by Activision - original disk
*dig Dug for the Apple // family. Dist. by Thunder Mountain
*Choplifter by Broderbund orginal game disk for the Apple (?)
*Apple // orginal demo disk - dist. by Wichita Software
* Vic-20 cartridges: Pin Ball, Omega Race, Jupiter Lander, Gorf, Radar
Rat Race, Raid on Fort Knox, Avenger, Poker, Cosmic Cruncher, and Mole
Attack In 8 cartridge storace holder.
Was it all worth my $150. :-)
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Hello my name is Wraith and I am looking for a manual for the 8201a by NEC.
If you have any information, please send it my way.
I am a computer tech. and I also collect old computers.
Thankyou for your time.
Wraith
I don't care for replicas. Instead of building a replica why not try
to make your own design from scratch? At least it would be original.
I don't have an Apple 1, doubt I'll ever luck into one at a reasonable
cost and am happy with that (well... fatalistic anyway and have
accepted the situation). At least the rest of what I'm preserving is
real. No replicas/tributes/fakes for me.
Marty Mintzell
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Subject: Re: Provenance and lineage
Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 2/25/98 12:57 PM
At 09:41 2/25/98 -0500, Chuck wrote:
>Scott Walde wrote:
>> > >Thinking out loud:
>> > >I wonder what the market would be for an Apple I replica?
>Yeah, but!!!
>
>Can you picture the problems trying to document the lineage of a
>'genuine' Altair, IMSAI, or Apple.
That's called provenance, and antique dealers do it all the time -- and
I've written provenance on an Apple One myself, which was easy, since the
board was being bought from a retired Apple exec and he showed me all the
right stuff.
Car and airplane collectors have procedures in place to deal with these
matters, and we will end up copying those. For example, there aren't many
Bugattis around any more with ALL their original parts, but thanks to the
infrastructure that's evolved, people simply know which parts are in what
car. It only matters when they change hands, anyway. This is what's
behind, for example, Chris Bachmann's attempt to establish an Apple One
registry.
Absent that, though, I think that any Apple One "replica" would currently
be considered a forgery.
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http://www.chac.org/index.html
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I feel so bloody silly. OK, so my eyes were blurry and I just woke up. And
I wasn't wearing my glasses.
Cold MEDICINE. Doh!!
*sigh*
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Davie <adavie(a)mad.scientist.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Thursday, February 26, 1998 6:52 AM
Subject: cold computing
>Typing on a cold machine?!! Now THAT brings back memories.
>I remember borrowing a friend's OSI Challenger 1P one winter.
>With a metal case, and a fan that sucked air IN to the computer, and forced
>it out the keyboard, that was one COLD cold cold way to program!!
>A
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: George Rachor <george(a)racsys.rt.rain.com>
>To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
>Date: Thursday, February 26, 1998 6:39 AM
>Subject: Re: Photo of Smithsonian microcomputer exhibit
>
>
>>Oh no!.. not down that rat hole....
>>80% of the original Matchbox car!
>>
>>
>>
>>I shouldn't really type while on cold medicine.
>>
>>George Rachor
>>
>>=========================================================
>>George L. Rachor george(a)racsys.rt.rain.com
>>Beaverton, Oregon http://racsys.rt.rain.com
>>
>>On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Tim Shoppa wrote:
>>
>>> > Maybe replicas should follow the example set by Matchbox (Diecast
model
>>> > cars). In their case all replicas were made at 80% of original size.
>>>
>>> A diecast car replica 80% of original size? That's a lot bigger than
the
>>> ones I used to play with as a kid! And isn't the lack of a motor a
>>> dead give-away that it isn't the original?
>>>
>>> [ :=) for the humor-impaired ]
>>>
>>> Tim.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
At 06:54 PM 2/24/98 -0800, you wrote:
>> A friend of mine was recently in D.C. and took this
>> photo of the Microcomputer exhibit in the Smithsonian
>> Museum. I recognize the Altair and the Sol but what
>> is the Apple prototype sitting on the table? Here is the
>> link to the photo...
Thinking out loud:
I wonder what the market would be for an Apple I replica?
