Found this on usenet if anyone is interested.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Korzep <%skorzep(a)magicnet.net>
Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.other.misc
Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 7:45 PM
Subject: Free to museum or collector
Zenith Z100 monitor/computer/keyboard like new. Operational. ZDOS and
CPM. All Documentation. Modem. Printer. Extra power supply. Owner was
ready to pitch it. Free to good home if new home will pay shipping.
Contact Gene at gene_grant(a)msn.com.
Hello, all:
I got a message from a German involved in the sale of a Lisa 2, and he
asked me to estimate a fair price. Not having too much experience in Lisa
pricing (unless someone wants to sell me one :-)), I told him that I'd check
it out for him.
Here are the stats:
>Lisa II
>Working (Screen unstable).
>It has a 3-1/2 floppy drive.
>0.5 MB (or 1MB; unsure) RAM
>10 MB hard disk
>Software (all in German): LisaCalc, LisaList, LisaWrite, LisaGraph
>and the manuals (on backup disks, not on the original disks).
What do y'all think?
[ Rich Cini/WUGNET
[ ClubWin!/CW7
[ MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
[ Collector of "classic" computers
[ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/
[ http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/
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> If you have any programming languages at all on the machine you could try
> writing a uudecode utility and then uuencoding the kermit binary on another
> machine, and doing the cut and paste you were talking about. You could
> probably write a uudecode in DCL, but it would be slow, ugly, and nasty.
You shouldn't need to do that, especially to get KERMIT over. KERMIT-32
(the old Macro-32'ed BLISSengized version) includes a hexengized program
and a small dehexer. You type in the dehexer (which is written in MACRO-32)
and transmit the hexengized kermit using something like MS-DOS kermit's
TRANSFER command (which sends a line at a time) then use the dehexer to
dehex the hexengized version and voila! KERMIT up and running.
FTP on over to kermit.columbia.edu or web over to http://www.columbia.edu/kermit
and look about.
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
Well, my 2 100mb drives from alltronics arrived. They are indeed rz23s.
And the price turned out to be $14.95 each. A good deal, assuming they work.
--
Jim Strickland
jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com
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I do agree that 4 MB can do a good amount of stuff (even run IE3.02 for win
3.1). Minix would be great, but my friend wanted to have Win'95 on it,
which is why I threw in the 120MB HD and 14.4 modem. I figured that since
my IBM laptop runs Win'95 fairly good with a 386-20, 120MB HD, and 6 MB RAM,
that the Tandy (486-20) would run it great with 10 MB RAM, until I
discovered that the RAM wouldn't work, and it only has 4 MB.
Would a new BIOS chip solve the problem, or does the RAM limitation have to
do with the M/B? I know in my Tandy 1800HD (same as 3800HD, but a 286),
when I put in the 4 MB chips, the computer boots, and recognizes 1 MB out of
each of the chips, then runs down a huge list of memory errors, then works
fine (after the errors are done).
If a new BIOS won't work, has anyone ever ran Win'95 with 4 MB RAM? How
does it perform?
ThAnX,
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-Jason Willgruber
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: OT, but info needed: RAM uprade
>
>I have run win3.1 in 2mb of ram and 40mb of disk(386/20). Netscape would
>never run as they admit it want at least 5mb (and it's cranky at that). I
>was able to run a lot of stuff and most dos programs successfully
>
>that was in '93 coad bloat would make that harder but at 4mb you could run
>quite a bit. FYI, minix 3.0 in 4mb screams.
>
>Allison
>
>
OK this thing is a trip if i keep turning it off and then on it boots to a
prompt but if i just turn it on the 5 1\4 drive just stays on and it does
nothing.I would be led to believe that there is something wrong.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Strickland <jim(a)calico.litterbox.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: HELP
>> >That is in the left hand corner.But it goes no
>> >further,Does anyone have any idea what is going
>> >on???? i have never messed with one of these
>> >and i dont know what its going on here.PLEASE
>> >help me!!! Do i need disks????
>>
>> Yep, you need disks. Go get a copy of ProDOS or some other Apple II OS. I
>> don't know where to find them, bet there's lots of Apple II stuff on the
>> internet and I know that there are disk images out ther SOMEWHERE. Try
the
>> comp.sys.apple2 FAQ, and of course some WebCrawler searches wouldn't
hurt...
>>
>>
>alltech is a licensed supplier of boot disks. www.allelec.com
>
>you can get the disks from apple's FTP site, but without a boot disk of
>any kind that doesn't help you much.
>
>Byteworks also sells them.
>http://www.hypermall.com/byteworks/
>
>--
>Jim Strickland
>jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com
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(...or should that be: "on the horns of a dilemma?")
A VERY good weekend, with the possble exception of the 'Digi-Comp' that
got away (at least for the present...)
Santa dropped a whole back seat full of assorted S-100 boards and such my
way (and I drive a Suburban, so I've got a BIG back seat!) Some assembled
units and a number of unassembled (!) kits, some still in the original
shrinkwrap/baggies!
Now the dilemma: in trolling thru the garage archives (read that: rack
shelving) recently, I came across my collection of Cromemco games (on
paper tape) for Altair (or similar), Dazzler, D+7A, and joystick. All of
which I have in the collection except for the joystick. I've got the docs
on it, just not the physical unit... Until now...
And there you have the dilemma - the Cromemco joystick is one of the
(pristine) unassembled units that came in the stack! So now, do I follow
my initial thot of building/adapting a joystick to play the games, or warm
up the soldering iron and assemble the Cromemco unit? (which would
complete the original configuration)
Sigh...
And then there is the LOCI-2 and it's 'bed of nails' card reader...
(LOgarithmetic Computing Instrument I'm told)
...and the...
Heath H-10!!!
(hah!! I finally got one!)
<BIG GRIN>
All of these decisions just before I start my Christmas vacation...
-jim
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In a message dated 12/22/98 4:49:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,
netcafe(a)pirie.mtx.net.au writes:
>
> I seem to recall that this is the reason the Pentium(c) is called that and
> not
> a 586. Intel tried to copyright it, (to stop clone chip makers calling
> their cpu's
> "586's", and were told by the courts (?) that a numerical sequence couldn't
> be
> copyrighted.
>
Actually I believe that Intel lost their copyright on the X86s by allowing
others to use the numbering system. In the US you have to vigorously protect
your copyright to keep it. Intel was lax and allowed the sequence to become
common words and numbers.
Paxton
On Dec 21, 18:20, Scott Ware wrote:
> SGI also does not certify any of their systems with 68K, R2000, or R3000
> processors to be Y2K compliant, presumably because they cannot run IRIX
> 6.5. Watch your local scrap dealer for IRIS 2000/3000, 4D series, and
> Indigo R3000 systems.
IRIX 5.3 and above are all Y2K compliant (providing they include the
rlevant patches).
Indigo R3000 and 4D systems running IRIX 5.3 *will* take all the Y2K
patches (there aren't many, since 5.3 was mostly Y2K compliant anyway). I
know; I did a survey on this earlier this year, and I've just finished
(literally, about 5 minutes ago) installing the Y2K patches on an Indigo
Elan for my wife's Christmas present. Of course, if you can get one at a
reasonable price, an Indigo is a very nice classic (though not quite by
this list's definition, it was released in 1991) machine. Now if only I
could get a copy of Star Office or Word Perfect for Irix 5.3...
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
Amongst a stack of new acqusitions today a rather interesting looking unit
branded "LOCI 2". Based on the name/serial number plate on the rear, it is
an electronic programmable calculator. Apparently built by Wang Labs.
One of the interesting things about it (to me at least) was an accessory
that came with it. A card reader. Reads cards in the IBM 80 column form
factor, but they are different. The cards (of which I received a supply
along with the unit) carry 40 columns of data, have perforated holes for
manlau punching, and are masked to indicate 80 steps of programming
information. (pictures to follow on my web site in the next few days)
It was supposed to be functional when it was put in storage (some years
ago), but it will probably be a while before I can start working htru a
pre-start routine on it.
Anyone familiar with this unit? And does anyone have any docs on it?
-jim
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