test-drb November 1998

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by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

There are several Amiga monitors that do TTL+analog with VGA capability, but they require a cable adapter. I seem to recall that the Multisync may actually sync to 15kHz (NTSC). Can anyone say yea/nea on this? Kai -----Original Message----- From: Max Eskin [mailto:maxeskin@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 09, 1998 3:25 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: NEC Multisync I saw an NEC Multisync in a thrift shop today. Looks like a nice monitor, can do TTL and analog inputs. Could someone tell me what exactly are the modes that it does? Also, are there any monitors like this that can also take VGA inputs in addition? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

25 years, 8 months

CLASSICCMP endangered?

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

-----Original Message----- From: Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, 10 November 1998 13:22 Subject: CLASSICCMP endangered? >To summarize, it looks like we may need a new host! > >-=-=- <snip> -=-=- > >>Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 08:09:13 -0800 (PST) >>From: Rebekah Skiver <bskiver(a)cac.washington.edu> >>To: Bruce Lane <kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com> >>Subject: Re: What the...? >> >>Bruce, >> >>The reason the list is closed is because there is essentially no owner. >>The previous owner has left the University of Washington and we are >>in the process of finding a new owner. >>At this time we do not know if the list will be continued or deleted. >So, there you have it. Was anyone else aware of this? News to me, only joined a couple weeks ago. If no-one in the US can do it, and washington.edu don't want to continue, I can host it from here. MX on our VMS box has pretty good mailing list support. Probably be better if a US host could be found though, since most of the traffic is from there. cheers Geoff Roberts Computer Systems Manager Saint Marks College Port Pirie South Australia. My ICQ# is 1970476 Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile) 61-8-8633-0619 (Home) 61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct) 61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)

25 years, 8 months

PCJr: The LEAST collectible machine? (Was: FA: Apple Lis

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

>Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 00:29:33 +0000 (GMT) How does a light pen work? > >> >> Not to change the subject but has anybody ever seen the light pen for >> the PCJr? I've read in the PCJr literature that it was supposed to be >> available but haven't known of anybody having seen or used one. > >Well, there's a light pen port on the back, but I have no other real info on >it. I could find out the pinout if anyone wants to try building one. > >Mind you, there's a light pen connector on the original CGA card. And a >similar one on the MDA card with the right signals. The latter, however, >is known not to work with the 5151 monitor as said CRT has too long a >persistance. > >Again I can find pinouts/signal details. > >I seem to recall there being a circuit for a Tandy 1000 lightpen in >80-micro in about 1986. I suspect that would work with all the above systems. > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

25 years, 8 months

iMac AddOn (was: Future Collectibles)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

>Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:51:05 -0600 (CST) Yes, but the iMac isn't an incremental improvement. It is in no way different from the other G3s, except for various annyances (built in monitor, no floppy drive, no SCSI), and USB (I don't like it). I wouldn't say the iMac:Mac::Mac:Lisa, but iMac:Mac::Platinum Mac:Beige Mac. It's an item people want because it looks cool, indeed precisely what Stevie was thinking. And, it's not even translucent! It has a metal case inside the plastic one! In fact, if the list is arond in 10 years, how about the person that's right buys the other an iMac? >> iMac came out. All of the detail to which you refer will be forgotten >> in 15 years. By historic, I mean of the magnitude of the original >> macintosh, or the PC XT, or Apple II, or Altair, or C64, and others. >> These truly changed the face of computing, unlike the iMac. > >Puuhlease! (Is Roger Rabbit still around?) > >What was historic about the Mac? It was a cheaper, better Lisa. A mere >evolutionary improvement over another Apple product (which was just the >commercializtion of one of PARC's concepts). > >The Apple ][ was just an incremental improvement over the Apple 1. > >The Altair was a small incremental improvement over the Mark-8, Scelbi, >etc. > >The C64 was cheap. And the PC (not the PC-XT) was just IBM's badge on a >dull box. > >This should teach you two things: don't underestimate small incremental >improvements and/or "panache", and don't be a revolutionary (nobody will >remember you). > >-- Doug > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

25 years, 8 months

Elf99 - rebirth of a classic

by dogas＠leading.net

Ethan. Please sign me up for one. Thanks - Mike: dogas(a)leading.net It may be interesting to deliver this in a some-assembly-required fashion similar to the kits of past.... They're are new generations of people that missed that era of soder-blazing joy.

25 years, 8 months

NEC Multisync

by dburrows＠netpath.net

15.5kHz to 35 kHz automatically 56 to 62 Hz vertical manually, non-interlace Compatible with IBM Professional Graphics Adapter,EGA, CGA and other IBM compatible graphics adapters. Max Horiz. 800 dots and Max Vert 560 lines. TTL and Analog inputs. Analog mode has an unlimited palette of colors. Text switch selects choice of 7 colors of text. 14 inch diagonal with 13 inch viewing area. I tried to summarize for simplicity and time. Let me know if you need more. I used the one I had for many years and it was very reliable. Dan -----Original Message----- From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 7:49 PM Subject: Re: NEC Multisync Yes, what modes does the manual say it can do? > >It is one of the first Multisync monitors made. EGA I may still have the >docs on the on I bought new when they came out if there is anything in >particular you want to know about it. >Dan Burrows >dburrows(a)netpath.net > >-----Original Message----- >From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com> >To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers ><classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> >Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 6:34 PM >Subject: NEC Multisync > > >I saw an NEC Multisync in a thrift shop today. Looks like a nice >monitor, can do TTL and analog inputs. Could someone tell me what >exactly are the modes that it does? Also, are there any monitors like >this that can also take VGA inputs in addition? > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

25 years, 8 months

HP desktop 125

by cdrmool＠interlog.com

25 years, 8 months

Sun mouse pad Re: need some parts

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 9, 11:36, Grant Mitchell wrote: > Subject: Re: Sun mouse pad Re: need some parts > > A friend at a placed I used to work showed me a postscript file > he had downloaded from somewhere for printing your own > optical mouse mats for a Sun (his had a bad scratch accross > it). As a temporary stopgap it _might_ work (need a colour printer > though!). No you don't -- just a print that is red/IR-absorbent (the two LEDs in optical mice are IR and red). We've used laser-printed sheets as an expediency measure a few times. There's no fancy pattern, either, it's just horizontal and vertical lines in a regular grid. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

25 years, 8 months

Elf99 - rebirth of a classic

by KFergason＠aol.com

I would be interested in the boards. The Elf 2 got me interested in computing, even though I never had one. I devoured that 1978 edition of Popular Electronics projects. It finally fell apart, but I think I still have some of the pieces of it. Kelly

25 years, 8 months

Elf99 - rebirth of a classic

by franke＠sbs.de

> I have been in discussion with some folks about 1802's and the possibility > of producing a modern PCB for the Popular Electronicss Elf design. Hans > Franke seems to think that there would be some interest in Germany for > a few units, enough to make me consider burning a board. I realy would like to play with such a beast :) > I would be > curious to hear what other list members though about price, features, etc. > The good news is that Harris still makes the 1802 for less than $10, and > the TIL311 displays that the Elf calls for are available for less than $10 > each, used. > How authentic should a modern Elf be? Try to use 1822/2101 RAM or use > cheaper 6264 SRAM chips? Add space for an optional 1861 video chip, > a-la the fourth part of the orginal Elf article? Add space for a 1854 > UART? Add an I/O port? Add nothing to the Quest PCB layout? Remove > nothing? (There was a socket for a 16-pin PROM and room for onboard 7805 > regulator as well as optional memory battery backup). To add my opinion, I would just go for the minimal design, with spare for all parts, maybe with a spare for the video, althroug I think this one is no longer available, and we would need more than just the chip. Futher I would add a two sockets for two to 32 K RAM/EPROM and some logic to mirror the EPROM to address 0 after reset (selectable per switch). Eventualy also spares for additional 1852s. > Another question, perhaps more on topic - would this count as a classic? > It could be authentic as far as operation is concerned (toggle switches > and 256 bytes of accessible RAM), but it would still be on a modern > board, made recently. In short, does form or function denote "classic"? It's not a classic, but rather a replica. And in difference of Mercedes SSK look alikes on FORD or GM chasis the main parts (CPU, RAM, Display) would be genuine. Servus hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

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test-drb November 1998