I might be mistaken, but I somehow recall that someone said that
it was possible to run windows 3.0 on an XT???
A buddy of mine gave me an unopened box of v3.0 but the back
says it requires a 286.
So whats the deal?
Les
At 09:46 AM 1/30/98 -0500, Allison J Parent wrote:
>
><I might be mistaken, but I somehow recall that someone said that
><it was possible to run windows 3.0 on an XT???
><
><A buddy of mine gave me an unopened box of v3.0 but the back
><says it requires a 286.
>
>As best we could figure it may be a later version kit that does not have a
>MDA/herc driver or some such. My copy of 3.000A does run on XTs and is
>installed on a DTC turboXT so it runs in my lifetime. I didn't say it
>would be fast. FYI a fast disk really helps.
>
Well, the sticker on the top says that it is version 3.00(3.5) but it does
say that it will support CGA or Hercules so I might be in luck.
Had an AT&T 6300 sitting around and thought it might be neat to run
it on this. It's got an old Micropolis 40 megger on it thats pretty much empty.
(Does anyone else think that the sounds made by old MFM drives is really
cool??) On a different note, the monitor I have is an AT&T model
as well that "shows up" as a CGA but looks a hell of a lot like EGA.
Is it some kind of "Super CGA" that wasn't really supported by anyone?
Les
Speaking of polygonical manholes, does anyone know where to get a copy of
turtle logo for older macs? Or, perhaps even better, a cartridge version
for one of the 6502 machines (Atari, c64, etc.)? (This is for my niece who
is probably about ready to at least watch logo pgms.)
At 01:06 PM 1/29/98 GMT, you wrote:
>indeed round because they then won't fall down the hole if you drop
>them. But other shapes share this property - triangular manholes are
You may have triangular manholes (and, I assume, covers), but I disagree
with the statement that they won't fall in. (Mind you, they may not be
*likely* to, but that doesn't mean they won't.)
Consider any regular (is that the right term?) polygon (i.e., all sides,
angles are equal).
For an odd number of sides: imagine a line from an angle to the midpoint of
the opposite side. Imagine a second line, from that same angle to either
end of the opposite side. You've just created a right triangle (imaginary
lines, half the opposite side) wherein the first imaginary line *must* be
shorter than your second line. Put your first line parallel to the ground,
line up the manhole vertically above the corresponding second line on the
manhole, and drop.
For an even number of sides: Do the same thing, only the reverse (opposite
angle and connected side, etc.)
Oh, make sure there's no one down below before dropping *please*
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
> Also got a strange Commodore cable. It has what looks like a double
> ended HP-IB connector one end and a card edge connector on the other. All
> the connectors have 24 contacts. Both ends have a heavy braided ground
> strap. It looks like it's about 2 foot long. Any one know what this is for?
It is a Commodore PET GPIB (HPIB) cable. Most PETs didn't have the
standard GPIB connector (the 8032SK being the only exception I can call
to mind) but had a 24 pin edge connector instead. The pinout is the
same; pin spacing is 0.156 inch.
The "Parallel User Port" (some useful lines from the 6522 VIA plus some
diagnostic type stuff and video out) was a similar connector with
keyways in different places. The 8032SK used a GPIB type connector for
this as well, which I found very annoying when trying to connect one to
a friend's BBC micro... but I digress.
(BTW can anyone confirm: is 0.156 inch _really_ 0.156 inch or is it 5/32
inch?)
Philip.
<Deal is, you can't run Windows 3.x on any processor that doesn't have
<protected mode. I think the last Windows you could run on an XT was 2.1
Wrong, it was 3.0 and I'm doing it. It was loaded from my diskset so
there is no doubt. Now if you meant it would be slower than sludge
no argument.
Allison
<I might be mistaken, but I somehow recall that someone said that
<it was possible to run windows 3.0 on an XT???
<
<A buddy of mine gave me an unopened box of v3.0 but the back
<says it requires a 286.
As best we could figure it may be a later version kit that does not have a
MDA/herc driver or some such. My copy of 3.000A does run on XTs and is
installed on a DTC turboXT so it runs in my lifetime. I didn't say it
would be fast. FYI a fast disk really helps.
Allison
>I might be mistaken, but I somehow recall that someone said that
>it was possible to run windows 3.0 on an XT???
>
It's not documented and MS never mentioned it, but yes it will work on an
XT.
-- Kirk
At 08:23 PM 1/27/98 +0000, you wrote:
>rather have a service manual that starts 'Take the HDA into a clean room
>and undo the cover screws (#1 in fig 4.2), lift off cover' etc than one
The problem, of course, from the mfr's point of view, is that some bozo is
going to think "hmmm... Larry across the hall has a maid come twice a
month, I'll take it over there and..." and then they have to deal with 1)
repairing/replacing the drive, 2) losing a customer who thinks they should
fix it under warranty.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
>DOH! Did I start off on the IIgs again? I didn't even notice you were
>talking about the II+... THIS is why I shouldn't be allowed to send email
>at 12:30 in the morning!
Don't worry, the feeling is not unfamiliar to me. (Someone mentions IBM, I
start with the RS/6000's, Deep Blue, etc.)
>OK, for the II+, ProDOS is probably what you want. DOS 3.3(I've never seen
this one) >or CP/M(only one I have is my Hayes
>SmartModem 300 disk) are supposed to be around. Do you know how much RAM
>yours has? I have an extra copy of ProDOS(still shrinkwrapped!! I'm not
>sure which version), and it needs more RAM than a stock II+ has. I guess
>whatever a II+ with a memory expansion card would have... I seem to
>remember 64k being on the box. As for the disks, I'm not sure. Try digging
>around at http://www.apple2.org, it should have plenty of info(I know it
>has a link to the csa2 newsgroup FAQ).
OK... well, if I can't find anything else, I'll take the old copy, as I
think that you might want to hang on to the shrinkwrapped copy. I wouldn't
know what it was like, as I wasn't around when it was made. But, anyway,
I'll take the old copy, you can use the new one, as a "liscense", make a
backup copy of the disks, and then everyone's happy. ;-)
Thanks for the help,
Tim D. Hotze
>-JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html - Computers
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/ - Star Trek
>
>
Yes, I know about the IIGS, it's a pretty nice GUI machine. When I was in
second grade, that's all that they had in my old school. But, I'm not
getting a IIGS, I'm getting a II+, the one that came before the IIe. (I
think) Anyway, is ProDOS the best?
Also, does the Apple ][ juse SS/SD disks? If so, where can I get osme?
Thanks,
Tim D. Hotze
-----Original Message-----
From: John Rollins <rexstout(a)ptld.uswest.net>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Apple ][+ OS
>> Hello. I'm going to get one of these >from Jeff Kaneko. One
thing:
>>What OS's are avaible? I tried looking on Apple's site, but didn't
>>really find
>>anything too interesting. What's the one that the most sofware was
written
>>for? Most "standard", and what kind of stuff's avaible for a II+ (I'm
>>sure that
>>that's not a simple question.) Thanks, Tim D. Hotze PS-Does anyone
>>have Apple ][+ disks?
>
>The IIgs will run any Apple II+/IIe OS(ProDOS, DOS 3.3, etc...), or GS/OS
>which is a modified version of MacOS. GS/OS is available on Apple's FTP
>site. The IIgs will also run most Apple II+/IIe software, can use most of
>the Apple II+/IIe expansion cards and floppy drives. Definitley the most
>capable machine in the Apple II line.
>
>-JR http://members.tripod.com/~jrollins/index.html - Computers
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Lair/1681/ - Star Trek
>
>
