At 10:56 AM 1/12/98 -0500, Allison(tm) wrote:
>I gotta get that sex change. It happens it's MS Allison and I don't have
Oh no! It's the new MicroSoft Allison! No more intelligent posts about
non-MS computers/software Arrrgghh! 8^)
(Sorry, couldn't resist!)
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
I've been doing some research and I've learned that it is possible to do a
network boot of at least some VAXen using a properly configured Linux
server with a NFS mountable version of NetBSD. I'm currently in the
process of FTPing the necessary software and hope to get my VAXstation 2000
up tonite using this method.
I would also like to be able to boot my VAXstation II/RC this way, but I
need a Ethernet Transciever for it. According to my Hardware manual for
this system (I love actually having documentation on something), I need a
H4000 Transceiver. What I'm wondering is if I can just go dig up a generic
10Base-2 transceiver and have it work?
Eventually I want to get at least the II/RC up and running VMS, but this
sounds like a good temporary measure to run the hardware though some paces,
so to speak while I'm getting a Hard Drive and VMS on media that I can use.
Besides I want to get a copy of NetBSD transfered onto TK50's.
Zane
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<I got a line on an Intel ISIS-II development system with lots of
<accessories. What do I do with it if I get it?
Richard,
I'd suggest computing and developing. It will run two OSs ISIS and CP/M
and it's pretty neat as they are fairly old to say the least.
If it has the programmers commonly used and the Paper tape it's a reall
winner!
Allison
<The 4051 BASIC is AWFUL. Example: the syntax of the IF statement is IF
<condition THEN line number. Similarly the 4052 and 4054. The really
20 IF A=5 THEN 100
That is standard Dartmouth BASIC! at least it has been since 1969 when I
started programming with it.
Allison
I got a line on an Intel ISIS-II development system with lots of
accessories. What do I do with it if I get it?
Rich Cini/WUGNET
Charter ClubWin! Member
MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
> Personal Computer: IBM called the 5100 a personal computer and also a
>portable computer. I think they called it a personal computer since it did
Announced 9/9/75 according to Haddock.
He also mentions a "Geniac" ca. 1956: "Sold primarily as a toy, this type of
machine was arguably the first electronic digital personal computer."
And in '71, "The Busicom desktop electronic calculator, based on the new
Intel 4004, was introduced. This was the first computing device to employ a
microprocessor."
1973 saw the Scelbi 8H, and 1974 saw the Mark 8. Also in '74, Xerox came up
with the Alto which could make a bid for the first personal computer.
1975 was the year of the Altair 8800 (ann. january) and the Processor
Technology SOL (April). Later MOS Tech came out with the KIM-1.
> Portable Computer: IBM also called the 5100 a "portable computer". I
>guess they considered it a portable computer because everything was in one
>unit. It was certainly NOT portable in the sense that one person could
>pick it up and move it around. It's huge and it's heavy and there aren't
>even any handles on it. Not to mention the fact that it has an unprotected
No handles??? 'Tain't a Portable then!
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Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
> Actually, I've always wanted to get my hands on one of those heathkit
> gibbyframmers (with the Moto6800 CPU, six digit 7-segment LED display and
> hex keyboard, etc. etc.) as I used one in college and had a barrel o'
> monkeys interfacing things to it 'cause it was so easy.
I have the short-lived low-end version of that unit in the cardboard box. I
saw it in the Heathkit catalog, scraped some money together and bought it.
I didn't see it in the next catalog. Mine is serial #8.
This version of the unit only has half the memory of the one with the
protoboard on the front: 256 bytes instead of 512 bytes. It also doesn't
have the protoboard: just a keypad and six-digit hex display. There is
a spot for an expansion connector on the inside, but I never did anything
with it (I tried, though; I ordered a pair of 1Kx4 SRAMs from Radio Shack.
6 months later, _one_ of my two SRAMs arrived. The guy at Radio Shack didn't
understand why I didn't want to buy just the one. The other SRAM never did
arrive).
I've not fired it up recently, but it worked last time I did.
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
At 04:00 PM 1/13/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Long before anyone glued rust to a strip of plastic and called it recording
>tape, audio was recorded on spools of wire.
>
>Whatever you can record audio on, you can record data on. Wire recorders
>are actually incredibly durable, and until recently, the airplane 'black
>box' cockpit voice & data recorders were wire recorders. There are a ton of
>them still in service. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if that's what the
>guy had at the flea market.
Well, to slightly shift the paradigm from classic computers to classic TV,
I saw a voice wire recorder on Hogan's Heroes -- it was made up to look
like a sewing basket.
At first, I thought -- uh, yea, right! -- but then I thought about it and
it's no different than a record album, but in a different form factor.
On the show, they spliced the wire to reformat a message on the wire... do
you know what type of wire was used on these types of voice/data recorders,
and how would you splice them?
(oh, and could you re-record over a previously used piece of wire?)
Just curious,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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> Long before anyone glued rust to a strip of plastic and called it recording
> tape, audio was recorded on spools of wire.
In one episode of "The Secret Life of Machines", Tim played with magnetic
recording. He recorded a little bit of info on a bandsaw, he stuck some rust
to scotch tape and recorded on it, and visited a BBC warehouse where they
had some truly amazing video recorders (large reels of steel band instead
of tape).
It's a shame the Discovery channel doesn't show those anymore.
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
Long before anyone glued rust to a strip of plastic and called it recording
tape, audio was recorded on spools of wire.
Whatever you can record audio on, you can record data on. Wire recorders
are actually incredibly durable, and until recently, the airplane 'black
box' cockpit voice & data recorders were wire recorders. There are a ton of
them still in service. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if that's what the
guy had at the flea market.
Kai
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Ismail [SMTP:dastar@wco.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 3:51 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Recording data to a strand of wire?
>
>
> I was talking to this guy I met at a flea market and he said he has a
> storage device that writes data to a spool of wire. Can someone elaborate
> on this?
>
>
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