Hi Jim, I'll give you $30 shipped. I'm in PA 17347.
Sincerely,
Tom
>I have an Apple ][+ that needs a good home. I've never seen anything
>quite like this; every slot filled! I don't know it it works though;
>no boot floppies. Here's what's inside:
>
>Applied Engineering 16k Pocket Rocket (?)
>Asynchronous Serial Interface
>MountainComputer A/D+D/A
>PTM-1 Programmable timer module (with kludge of unknown function)
>Parallel Interface board
>ThunderClock Plus
>Disk ][ Interface Card (FDC)
>APL Board (with centronics cable attached)
>
>Included are a pair of Disk ][ drives, an Apple Joystick, and some
>misc cables dangling from the back. E-Mail me at:
>
> Jeff.kaneko(a)ifrsys.com
>
> _or_
>
> banzai(a)worldnet.att.net
>
>if interested. Will sell for a very reasonable price, plus shipping
>from Wichita, Kansas.
I wasn't try to ruffle any feathers here, or undercut anyone's price. Your
post simply jogged my memory as to the availability of these kits. FWIW the
URL is:
http://www.users.interport.net/~zebra/ts/
I was just there; it's still a live link. Kind of interesting browsing what
they have to offer. BTW, I'm not affiliated with the sellers in any way,
nor have I ever purchased from them.
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
-----Original Message-----
From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
To: Cgregory <Cgregory>
Date: Monday, January 19, 1998 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: Sinclair Kit for Sale
>
>Yeah ok. I just report what I'm told. I'm not a salesman. I'm not an
>apologist. If you want to negotiate price with the guy contact him
>directly at squest(a)cris.com. I'm not making any money off them. I don't
>care if sells any. I don't care if anyone buys any.
>
>Anthony Clifton - Wirehead
>
>> Seems to me these kits are still available from some distributor on the
net
>> for around $30. I'll see if I can dig up the exact URL.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
>> To: Cgregory <Cgregory>
>> Date: Sunday, January 18, 1998 7:46 PM
>> Subject: Sinclair Kit for Sale
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >A friend of mine has an original unbuilt Sinclair kit for sale at what
>> >looks like an interesting price. If you're interested, contact him
>> >directly at squest(a)cris.com and tell him Anthony Clifton - Wirehead sent
>> you.
>> >
>> >Anthony Clifton - Wirehead
>> >
>> >
>>
>
Hello Fellow Classic Computer Collecting Nerds.
If you've checked out the Vintage Computer Festival web page then you
know that there will be an exhibition of over 100 computer systems as
part of the event.
Just having the computers without any accompanying literature would
probably leave a lot of attendees wondering what it was they were looking
at. Therefore, I would like to have a short, one-page write-up for each
machine on display giving summary information about the machine. I
figured there is probably no better resource for general and historical
information on old computers than this discussion group.
As you know, 100 computers is a lot. So I am asking for a favor from
anyone interested. I need write-ups done for the machines which will be
on display! Aside from my undying gratitude, anyone who contributes
write-ups will receive a free Vintage Computer Festival 1.0 t-shirt and a
free pass to the show either this year or for whatever year you will be
able to make it out (this WILL be an annual event).
A list of the systems on display will follow. If you would like to do some
write-ups for a particular system or series of systems, please e-mail me
and I will let you know if a write-up is required for that system.
The write-up should ideally include:
The company which created the computer
The founding year of the company
The year the company went out of business
The founder(s) of the company
What the company's main market was (ie. who was their customer?)
The year the computer was developed/released
How many were manufactured (if known)
What computer (if any) preceded this computer
What computer (if any) followed this computer
What operating system(s) could it run?
What language(s) if any were built-in or available for it?
What kinds of peripherals were available for this computer
What were the attributes of this computer
What processor did it use? How many bits was it?
How much memory did it come with standard? How much total memory
could it be expanded to?
What kind of bus architecture did it use (if any) or how could it be
expanded (if at all)? Did it have a carthridge slot?
What other computers was it compatible with (if any)?
What peripherals were specifically available for it (if any)?
Disk drives or other storage devices?
Printers?
Displays?
Other stuff like speech synthesizers, graphics tablets, etc.?
What (if any) graphics capabilities did it possess?
What was the resolution (of all graphics modes)?
How many colors were available?
Any special features of the graphics? Any special graphics hardware?
What (if any) sound capabilities did it possess?
How many voices did it support?
Any special features of the sound? Any special sound hardware?
What other significant attributes did it feature?
Again, it would be ideal to have all this information, but it is not
mandatory. I realize that some stuff is just a mystery. Hopefully
having Vintage Computer Festival's will clear up these mysteries by
getting the information flowing about old computers.
If you would like to contribute a write-up, please e-mail me with what
you want to contribute and I will let you know if I need one for that
system or not. Thanks!
(list to follow below)
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
Attend the First Annual Vintage Computer Festival
See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details!
MANUFACTURER PRODUCT MODEL
---------------------------- --------------------------- ------------
Altos
Apple Computer Apple /// A3S2
Apple Computer Apple //c A2S4100
Apple Computer Apple IIe A2S2064
Apple Computer Apple IIe A2S2128
Apple Computer Apple ][ A2S0016
Apple Computer Apple ][+ A2S1048
Apple Computer Lisa 2
Apple Computer Macintosh Plus M0001A
Atari Atari 1040ST 1040STF
Atari Atari 1200XL Home Computer 1200XL
Atari Atari 130XE 130XE
Atari Atari 400 Home Computer 400
Atari Atari 520ST 520ST
Atari Atari 600XL Home Computer 600XL
Atari Atari 800 800
Atari Atari 800XL 800XL
Atari Falcon 030
Callan Data Systems Unistar 300
Commodore Amiga A1000
Commodore Amiga A500
Commodore CBM 2001 Series PET 2001-32
Commodore Commodore 64 64
Commodore Commodore 64 Personal Compu 64C
Commodore Commodore 128 128
Commodore Commodore Plus/4 Plus/4
Commodore PET 4016
Commodore PET 4032
Commodore PET 8032
Commodore VIC 20 Computer VIC 20
Compaq Portable
CompuPro 8/16
Computer Power & Light Compal 80 Minicomputer
Corona Data Systems M18P-2
Corvus Concept
Cromemco Z2 Computer System
Data General Data General One 2514A
Epson Geneva PX-8
Epson Portable Computer HX-20
Exidy Inc. Sorcerer Computer
Fortune Systems Corporation 32:16
Forward Technologies Sun 1 Clone
GCE Vectrex
Heath H8
Heath Hero I
Hewlett-Packard Computer HP3000/37
Hewlett-Packard Computer HP85A
Hewlett-Packard Computer HP86B
Hewlett-Packard Portable HP110
Hewlett-Packard Portable Plus
Hewlett-Packard Integral PC HP9000/207
Hewlett-Packard Workstation HP9000/520
Hewlett-Packard Computer HP9915
IBM 3270 Personal Computer 5271
IBM Personal Computer 5150
IMSAI Manufacturing Corporat IMSAI 8080 Microcomputer Sy
Interact Micro Video
Intertec Data Systems SuperBrain II
Kaypro Corporation Kaypro New 2
Macintosh 128
Mattel Electronics Aquarius 5931
Mindset Mindset
Morrow Designs MDT 60
Morrow Designs Pivot Portable
Non-Linear Systems, Inc. Kaypro II
North Star Computers Horizon
OSI C4P MF
Olivetti M10
Osborne Computer Corporation Executive
Osborne Computer Corporation Osborne 1
Osborne Computer Corporation Osborne 3
Osborne Computer Corporation Vixen
PMC Inc. PMC 81
Processor Technology Corp. SOL 20
Quest Electronics Super Elf
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model I
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model III
Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 100
Radio Shack TRS-80 64K Color Computer 2 26-3127B
Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer 2 26-3027
Radio Shack TRS-80 Micro Color Computer MC-10
Radio Shack TRS-80 Micro Computer Syste 26-1006-1
Radio Shack TRS-80 PC-1
SWP Microcomputer Products ATR8000
SWTP 6800
SWTP 6809
Sanyo MBC-550 MBC-550
Sinclair ZX80 ZX80
Sinclair ZX81 Personal Computer ZX81
Sun Microsystems Workstation 2/50
Synertek VIM-1
Tandy TRS-80 Model 2000 26-5103
Tandy Tandy 1000EX 25-1050B
Tandy Tandy 100HX Personal Comput 25-1053A
Televideo TS1603
Texas Instruments 99/4A Computer PHC004A
Texas Instruments Silent 700 745 Portable
Timex Computer Corporation Timex-Sinclair 1000 M 330
Timex Computer Corporation Timex-Sinclair 1500
Toshiba T1000 PA7027U
Vector Graphics Inc. Vector 1
Victor Technologies, Inc. Victor 9000 412
Video Technology Ltd. Laser 50
Visual Computer Inc. Commuter COMMUTER US
Let me ask some of you wiser heads here on the list a question if I may:
Is there a way to archive boot-disk images on my DOS file server? I'm trying
to archive some of the DOS versions that are on my older machines. I'm
thinking of that .exe format that IBM uses to produce bootable reference disks
for the PS/2's.....is there anything comparable to that I can use to make
a storable boot-disk image? I do make disk copies of the operating systems
I want to save, but would also like to back them up on the server. Can
anyone recommend anything that would be simple enough for a newbie like
me to use to do this?
Kirk Scott
scottk5(a)ibm.net
Net-Tamer V 1.09.2 - Test Drive
OK, I got a MicroVAX II with a working RD-54 yesterday! I'm finally up and
running with VMS. It's one of the Big ones on casters, I think it's what's
called a BA-123 enclosure. I'm happy :^) There is something incredibly
cool about a system that has the ability to bill users based on CPU usage!
Along with this I got a LOT of other stuff. Amongst it all were several
RD-53's, which when I connect them up and try to boot the system from them
it gives me a ?54 RETRY. Does this mean that they are bad, or that they
are simply not bootable disks? Yes, I realize that the RD-53's are some of
the worst disks ever made, but I've got a lot around here right now.
I'm hoping to use one of the 53's in my VAXstation II/RC (I also got a full
fleged backplane yesterday to swap out with the resin filled one).
While I'm asking questions, I also got three non-DEC Hard Drives, I gather
they can be used with the MicroVAX's. One is a Imprimis Hard Drive Model
Number 94166-182, I've determined it's a ESDI 182Mb HD, I've got at least
one or two Plessey ESDI controllers that I picked up a couple weeks ago.
How do I go about formating these drives?
Zane
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| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector |
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At 05:17 AM 1/17/98 +0000, you wrote:
> I've got a Kaypro "portable" that I lift occasionally to keep fit
I can do better than that -- I've got a Zenith that makes the Kaypro look
pocket sized. *But* both fold up conveniently, and can be carried with one
hand. The IBM 5100 (and RS mIII, Commodore Pet, HP 85, etc.) is *not*
convenient to tote around on a regular basis.
I still maintain that any reference to portability IBM might have made
(aside from outright lie-- I mean marketing) simply refers to not needing a
moving company, air conditioning installer, electrician, etc. when moving
the office. I cannot accept that anyone at the time would have expected
someone to lug it around it with them.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/
I recently purchased a computer from a gentleman in Indiana. During our
correspondence he mentioned that he had a bunch of parts for the Cordata.
To quote him:
>I also have enough Cordata pieces/parts to start my own repair shop:
>Powersupplies, MB's, cards of all sorts, keyboards, little springs, etc.
>etc. Know anyone wanting to suppliment their parts supplies? Somewhere
>out there is someone who would give their eye teeth for this stuff!
>
>If you would like any other old software - I got it!
I'm not interested, but maybe someone out there is. His name is Keith
Hoffman; his email address is kehoffman(a)juno.com Contact him directly if
interested. Like I said, I bought a computer from him, and he was extremely
reasonable and easy to deal with during that transaction.
Cliff Gregory
cgregory(a)lrbcg.com
Hello all on The List; I have been a Lurker here for several
months but this is the first opportunity I have taken to actually
POST something.
For PDP11 folk in the Southern California area, I will have
several items of related gear at the TRW Ham Radio Swapmeet in El
Segundo, on Saturday Jan the 31st, 7:30am to 11:30am. (The meet is
always held the last Saturday of the month)
I have several Plessey pieces, including a MicroII which boots
into ODT - but I have no disk OS for it.. and a Plessey dual 8"
drive module... a Kennedy 5360 Hard Disk with a lucite see-thru
cover.. it spins up and comes into ready, but the drive-to-I/F card
was mechanically smashed. I have an RA60 that looks good but is
untested and an RL02 junk for parts. Also many other bits and pieces
and boards.. I am trying to thin out and concentrate my PDP collection.
I WOULD LIKE: a formatter/interface card(s) to hook a Kennedy 9300
9-trk to an 11/34a... also A/D and D/A cards for the MINC11, and/or
70's vintage stand-alone or DEC-specific D/A converters. All items I
have are for sale/trade/free to good home, and transportation in the
SoCal area is included... longer distances according to value of
bribe offered. :)
AT TRW I am in spaces J21-J23, near the east side of the lot and
across from a blue tent with CDroms all over. White Toyota P/U
Truck full of Old Stuff, you probably can't miss it.
I know this is CA-specific, but one never knows who might be
traveling and would be interested. A URL with pix of my stuff is
available, but waiting for renovation of the Old Computer section.
Please feel free to write to my e-mail address if you would like
more info or just to chat... I don't wish to take up ListSpace with
personal communications. ;}
Thank you for all the great info... many posts have helped me get
my own jun^H^H^H systems working thru others giving good advice.
Cheers,
John
At 08:23 PM 1/18/98 -0600, you wrote:
>> If anyone knows where I can buy a NeXT cube at a decent price, please
>> let me know.
Okay, I know NeXT was the baby of Steve Jobs, but what exactly is it based
on? Is it an entirely new animal? If anyone can point me to some info, I'd
appreciate it.
-John Higginbotham-
-limbo.netpath.net-
Having an IBM mainframe would be great provided you have a direct
connect to the nearest power station! Here's several messages from
knowledgeable folks that posted to alt.folklore.computers awhile back:
[Message 1 of 4 in thread 148 of 176] alt.folklore.computers
Re: IBM Mainframes: Power & Coolant Requirements
From: Alan Greenberg <ALAN(a)VM1.McGill.CA>
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 95 20:33:11 EDT (Page 1 of 2)
In article <BNIDrJa.jrbrady(a)delphi.com>
Jason Brady <jrbrady(a)delphi.com> writes:
>
>Does anyone have any insights as to the power requirements for the
>beasts? How about the liquid coolant (I think one of the many system
>components was the PDU "power/coolant distribution unit"?)
We just replaced a two processor 3090 with a new CMOS-based system.
The new systems was cost-justified partly on the energy savings.
The processor complex ate up about 55 KVA, mostly in 415 Hz power
(which is what the motor-generator created from 60 Hz - just as
with airborne equipment, the higher frequency makes for smaller
DC power supplies). Onto that, you need to add the cost of
removing the heat - perhaps another 25-50% for a total power
consumption of about 60-70 KVA. A complex with more processors
would of course take more power.
I should point out that this was a 9 year old machine....
We replaced it with a new box that draw less than 1,500 watts!
Alan Greenberg
Re: IBM Mainframes: Power & Coolant Requirements
From: Joe Morris <jcmorris(a)mwunix.mitre.org>
Date: 24 Aug 1995 14:42:30 GMT (Page 1 of 2)
Jason Brady <jrbrady(a)delphi.com> writes:
>I never got involved with the facilities support side of the place, but
>remember one day when an emergency shutdown was attributed to a "motor-
>generator failure."
A lot of the big systems used MG sets, both as frequency translators (some
circuits were designed for 400 Hz supply) and as an isolation mechanism
to prevent garbage on the power feed from getting into the computer. The
rotating mass of the MG provided excellent ride-through for short outages
of the commercial power.
At a PPOE in the mid-1970s we had an IBM 370/148 (with MG), an IBM 360/65
(no MG) and a DEC DECsystem KL10 (no MG). We also had a Dranitz power line
monitor tied to the power mains; based on its output we could show how
well the systems handled dropouts in the power.
The DECsystem 10 never survived more than about 3 or 4 cycles outage; the
360/65 died at about 16 cycles, and the 148 could tolerate almost a
full second. (We got lots of opportunities to collect data points ...
thanks, TVA.)
Of course, the peripherals on the 148 would usually die on an outage of
one second, but the CPU itself would survive without taking a power check.
(The shop didn't have the funds and/or will to buy a UPS, even though I
managed to include a room for one in the building when it was designed.)
The problem with the DEC box didn't surprise me at all. There were a
lot of nice features in the design, but the impression I got was that
DEC designed the power circuits on a day after the engineers had spent
the previous night in a bar. At one time I found that the box was
dumping almost 8A of current down the *ground* line, yet the DEC
CE insisted that the box was installed and working correctly. It
also was dumping over 20A down the neutral line on a 3-phase circuit;
not the safety issue of ground current, but still indicative of poor
design.
Joe Morris / MITRE
[Message 3 of 4 in thread 148 of 176] alt.folklore.computers
Re: IBM Mainframes: Power & Coolant Requirements
From: Joe Morris <jcmorris(a)mwunix.mitre.org>
Date: 24 Aug 1995 15:04:21 GMT (Page 1 of 2)
Responding to: <41e5j3$id(a)news.iadfw.net>
mcw(a)gateway.airmail.net (Mike Wommack) writes:
>I used to work as an Electrician at an IBM site a few years back. I know
>the 3380(?) DASD strings took 220v at 100A. The plugs were huge. I also
>recall what looked like 3/4" water lines used to cool the main processor.
>(Which was either a 3090 or ES9000.)
If it was a US site, the 3380 box probably was being fed with 208VAC,
3-phase power at no more than 60A; the box is spec'ed at requiring
no more than 8.2 KVA. In the case of the 3380 the power connector
is an R&S 7328 plug, which is rated at only 60A.
(You could get the box wired for other voltages, so a 220 VAC feed
is possible but if that was the voltage the current draw would have
been even less than at 208.)
The size of the connectors in the power lines is often mandated by NEC
(National Electric Code) and/or local code requirements, which for
underfloor installation often require watertight connections (and thus
increase the size of the connector).
Joe Morris / MITRE
