test-drb July 1997

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111 participants
442 discussions

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Whilst in a self-induced trance, Jeff Hellige happened to blather: > I found what looks to be a few intersting disks today, though at the >moment I can't check to see what's on them or anything. They are all for >the CoCo though, and all Tandy-labled disks in Tandy jackets still...and >some are even for OS-9. They are: > Flightsim I, (c) 1984 This is one of the original flight simulators that came out for several 8 & 16-bit machines that IIRC the copyright was bought up by none other than Micro$hark. > Multiview for OS-9 L-II, (c) 1987 This is a GUI for OS-9... it was rather interesting [and I've heard useful with a hard drive], but *extremely* slow with floppies. > OS-9 Pascal Disk I & II (version 02), (c) 1983 Standard USCD P-code compiler... interesting thing is you could compile programs larger than 64K (max memory for a CoCo 1/2) out-of-box. > C Compiler for OS-9 Systems (version 01), (c) 1983 IIRC, *almost* standard K&R C... methinks there were a few *very minor* differences that were easy to code around, but non-standard nonetheless. > Color Disk EDTASM (version 01), (c) 1983 This can be fudged to use the 80x24 screen of the CoCo3 (quite nicely, I might add... as I used it quite often like this) but the line-editor was still weird. There are patches available to make this assembler support the Hitachi 6309 processor, which is a M6809 workalike -with enhancements.- > Ghana Bwana, (c) 1984 > OS-9 Profile, (c) 1984 > Biosphere for OS-9, (c) 1985 Never played with any of these... others will have to take the ball and run here. > At least now I've got a few CoCo disks to try once I finally find a >disk controller for my III! Uhhh, I might have one *for trade*. Presently, I have two available working Disto MC-1 [Mini-Controller 1] boards, but without getting into that entire pirating issue *again*, I have no available DOS's for them. I am looking for a shareware RS-DOS clone that I could burn into e-prom for you, or I could purchase ADOS-3 or Extended ADOS-3 for you and install it. Be warned: I don't have cases for these controllers, so you'll have to run them nekkid or fudge something of your own. (The Tandy FD-500/501/502 case will work fine... but you can't buy them thru RS anymore, AFAIK.) I'll keep looking for a week or two for a DOS you can use, and let you know if you're interested. See ya, "Merch" -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* zmerch(a)northernway.net | be your first career choice.

26 years, 10 months

Atari still around?

by FAIAZMC＠hsd.utc.com

Yes! Sorry about the misspelling! The merger was done by ATARI giving a "bridge loan" to JTS. ---------- From: jpero(a)mail.cgo.wave.ca To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: RE: Atari still around? Date: Friday, July 18, 1997 1:00PM I had to jump in! :) Mike, are you talking about the Tandon as in "Tandem"? :) Is that person who now owns this JTS is american or not? I still waiting to see how good JTS are or still junk. I knew Tandon drives used to be reasonably good drive but WD jumped in and screwed it. Thanks. Jason D. > Yes there are still distributors around! I will put a list together. > Atari merged with JTS, a make of PC hardrives, owned by the person who > used to put out Tandem harddrives. Atari is now known as ATARI > INTERACTIVE, a maker of game software for all platforms! > Mike

26 years, 10 months

Commodore Shares...

by Philip.Belben＠powertech.co.uk

> > >>Would this be for proffit or non-proffit purposes? > > > > Well, if we have to pay real $ for the info, we should try to make a > > reasonable return. I'm not really considering remanufacturing anything in > > any quantities, but just in case we need to, we can. > > I agree. Why would anyone pay ANY money for shares if they knew that > everything would ultimately become public domain. For the same reason that they put money in collecting tins - not just for charities but for other organisations - it's a good cause. I'll subscribe! > > Since the rights would be purchased by the computing community, they'd > belong to the computing > > community.<< > > > > I don't necessarily have a problem with this. If this ever comes to pass (a > > slim chance at best), we can make provisions for emulator licenses. > > The keyword being licenses here. No one asks anyone on here to work for > free and likewise, no one should be expected to shell out their hard > earned cash for the "greater computing good." Sure, Commodore went > bye-bye a LONG time ago but the rights to some of that stuff still won't > be cheap... No-one should be expected to, but I think you'll find more people are prepared to than you expect. I'm prepared to - I get my money's worth anyway (technical data for my several PETs, VICs and my 64), and I would be quite happy to see the stuff go PD thereafter. Returning briefly to the Commodore B series, how do the 8200 series machines fit in? I see old documents refering to the B and P series, and older ones refering to the 500 and 700 series (I think respectively), but the machines I've actually seen from that period are called 8296. There were two models that I've seen - the 8296D (with internal disk drives) and the 8296 (without). The motherboard is identical - two banks of 64k RAM, (I think) a high speed (2MHz?) 6502, and a couple of chips which you unsolder and move to adjacent positions for 40 column mode. The case is similar to the 8032SK - rounded, plasticky PET case with large green screen and separate keyboard, but returns to the edge connectors for the IEEE488 and user ports. The internal disk drive - which I have now added to my 8296 to make a D machine - is an 8252 (?) which plugs into the IEEE488 internally. Ironically, 8296 had a linear power supply and 8296D a switchmode! So how do the 8296 and the B/P machines relate? Anyone know? Also, how do you do the bank switching to get at the full 96K of RAM? (I think you lose 32K to the screen - very inefficient!) Philip.

26 years, 10 months

Tandy Service Manuals

by rcini＠msn.com

On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 19:57:22 GMT Benedict Chong wrote: >>Where can we get a list of catalog numbers of the various products for the various models. I'm waiting for my M4 and wouold like to have at least some technical manuals (so that I can rip apart the machine).<< I don't think that the master book in the Radio Shack store has a description of the product next to the catalog number. You would need a kind sole here with an old R/S catalog to give you the number. You could also ask the operator on 1-800-THE-SHACK. Just give her the model of the computer and say that you don't know the catalog number. ------------------------ Rich Cini/WUGNET - ClubWin Charter Member (6) - MCPS Windows 95/Networking

26 years, 10 months

USING classic chips (was Re: USING classic machines)

by chemif＠mbox.queen.it

At 13:24 28/06/97 -0400, you wrote: >> At 08:59 AM 6/27/97 BST, someone wrote: > Big advantage here over Atari and Amiga 68000 based >hardware is the high availability of dirt cheap networking and disk >hardware... other than that, I'll take the 68000 based stuff any day as a >personal preferance. If interested in such family of CPU's and want to use them as preference, be informed that Motorola use a 68k chip inside its GSM cellular phones (like 7000's and 8000's) I found this info on http://www.ibt.dk/morten/friends/hardware.htm Ciao! ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? Riccardo Romagnoli,collector of:CLASSIC COMPUTERS,TELETYPE UNITS,PHONE ? ? AND PHONECARDS I-47100 Forli'/Emilia-Romagna/Food Valley/ITALY ? ? Pager:DTMF PHONES=+39/16888(hear msg.and BEEP then 5130274*YOUR TEL.No.* ? ? where*=asterisk key | help visit http://www.tim.it/tldrin_eg/tlde03.html ? ? e-mail=chemif(a)mbox.queen.it ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

26 years, 10 months

Atari 400 / Odyssey ???

by coslor＠pscosf.peru.edu

Howdy: Today I'm looking for anyone that might have ANY old Atari 400 cassettes and cartridge games or other programs. Right now, I don't have a disk drive for this system, but am looking for one as well. Second, I am looking to buy an Atari 800xx system? Let me know if you have one for sale. Finally, looking for an old Odyssey game system. Any and all models are on my wish list... including the original Odyssey 'pong' unit, and the more modern models of the cartridge game console unit. If you have any of the above for sale, PLEASe let me know, and your price you would offer it to me for. Thanks, CORD COSLOR //*=====================================================================++ || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE || || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 || || Classic computer software and hardware collector || || Autograph collector || ++=====================================================================*//

26 years, 10 months

Commodore Shares...

by rcini＠msn.com

On Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:09:19 -0500 (CDT) starling(a)umr.edu wrote: >>Would this be for proffit or non-proffit purposes? Well, if we have to pay real $ for the info, we should try to make a reasonable return. I'm not really considering remanufacturing anything in any quantities, but just in case we need to, we can. >>I could see purchasing the rights to the C=64 and setting them free as public domain. Perhaps raise the money to do it by selling "shares" of ownership in the rights to C= enthusiasts. That way, emulators can use original C= ROM code without copyright infringement, and "Build Your Own Commie 64" kits could be a possibility. Since the rights would be purchased by the computing community, they'd belong to the computing community.<< I don't necessarily have a problem with this. If this ever comes to pass (a slim chance at best), we can make provisions for emulator licenses. >>I don't see much of a point to owning the rights to such things in a for-proffit mode. Except maybe just bragging rights...<< Mmmmm. What's wrong with a little bragging?? <g> >>"Hey, baby... I own the exclusive rights to manufacture the Commodore Plus 4. Want to go back to my place for a drink?"<< ;-) Sounds like Austin Powers! ------------------------ Rich Cini/WUGNET - ClubWin Charter Member (6) - MCPS Windows 95/Networking

26 years, 10 months

weekend additions

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

i enjoy reading what others have acquired over the weekends so i thought i might add mine also. there was a hamfest saturday morning so i went and picked up a 30meg rll drive; a copy ][ pc option board which seems to copy just about anything. is that correct? the laugh of the day was some guy selling an apple ][+ with two drives, joystick and box of software for $300 <!> i think i had met this guy before at a previous hamfest; claiming to have known steve wozniak personally and did blue boxing with the steves! yea, right! i think that's the same ][+ he was trying to sell then. i also picked up something called a mattel aquarius for $10. the box was still sealed up, even the staples were intact! i havent used it yet. any opinions on the copy option board or the aquarius would be welcome. david

26 years, 10 months

TRS-80 Model III Questions

by foxvideo＠mail.wincom.net

At 11:51 PM 7/19/97 +0000, you wrote: >A while back I picked up a TRS-80 Model 3 without disk drives. It >works fine and I've been on the prowl for drives for it. Well, the >other day while picking up some PDP-8 stuff (questions for another >time), the guy gave me 2 Model 3s with drives. I've cleaned them up >and checked them out and finally powered them on. Now this is the >problem. They come on and the lower drive (drive 0?) lights up and >then stops and the screen stays blank. I don't have a DOS for them >so my question is, should these boot up without it as my cassette >based 3 does, giving me the Cassette? and RAM? questions or do I have >to get TRSDOS or one of the others. If these systems are bad, I'm >thinking of moving the drives to my cassette system. Looks like a >lot of boards to move, assuming the drives and controller are ok. >Comments? Also, can someone help out with a copy of TRSDOS, NewDOS, >LDOS or some other and a comm program? > >Thanks. > >----- >David Williams - Computer Packrat >dlw(a)neosoft.com >http://www.neosoft.com/~dlw > > CORRECTION..... Apparently I engaged my keyboard before my brain was in gear! When I turn on my Model 4 without a disk installed I get "DISKETTE?" on the screen. Sorry about that.

26 years, 10 months

TRS-80 Model III Questions

by foxvideo＠mail.wincom.net

At 11:51 PM 7/19/97 +0000, you wrote: >A while back I picked up a TRS-80 Model 3 without disk drives. It >works fine and I've been on the prowl for drives for it. Well, the >other day while picking up some PDP-8 stuff (questions for another >time), the guy gave me 2 Model 3s with drives. I've cleaned them up >and checked them out and finally powered them on. Now this is the >problem. They come on and the lower drive (drive 0?) lights up and >then stops and the screen stays blank. I don't have a DOS for them >so my question is, should these boot up without it as my cassette >based 3 does, giving me the Cassette? and RAM? questions or do I have >to get TRSDOS or one of the others. If these systems are bad, I'm >thinking of moving the drives to my cassette system. Looks like a >lot of boards to move, assuming the drives and controller are ok. >Comments? Also, can someone help out with a copy of TRSDOS, NewDOS, >LDOS or some other and a comm program? > >Thanks. > >----- >David Williams - Computer Packrat >dlw(a)neosoft.com >http://www.neosoft.com/~dlw > > When I turned on my Model 4 with no disks I got "CASSETTE?" on the screen. The lower drive light stays on. Have you checked to see if brightness is turned up on the monitor? Cheers Charlie Fox

26 years, 10 months

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test-drb July 1997