test-drb June 1997

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Saturday's Finds and a source in Central CA

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

I finally attended a almost 'near-by' used computer store's "warehouse sale" and was somewhat impressed. The sale is held Saturday mornings in an old nursery greenhouse about 5 miles east of Lodi on Highway 12 (in California) Almost every table is covered with equipment, a good portion seems to be discards from local school districts and others are from who knows where. The good and bad news is much of it has had some share of the elements and are sold as-is, but they are priced to clear. (they were not "out in the open" like some machines you have reported, but almost). The store keeps most of the more-modern usable stuff (PC cards, motherboards, printers, etc.) and leaves behind a lot of Commodore PETs, 64s, Apples, old PCs, etc. Must have seen about 1/2 dozen apple ///s in varying states, even more apple ][s, (from some ][ pluses to a Platinum ][e w/keypad and a couple ][cs), plenty of drives (1541, apple and old hard drives; looking for an older hard drive? make a 'look for' list ready). Lots of monitors (condition unknown as many were from a repair shop that closed; also alot of composite Commodore monitors - 1702s and CM141s). Many PC enclosures (not my area so I didn't look too hard, did see look at a Commodore PC clone though (figures), motherboard still there, but no cards or drives, some older pulled cards in boxes. I did notice at least three Osborne computers, the one I opened to look at was a later model as it didn't have that tiny screen in the center but what looked like an 8" display. Bunch of Jasmine Hard Disk cases (external, backpacks, and clip-on drives) and such for people needing power/cases for projects (some with drives still in em). Also various cables (bunch of IEEE-488), power supplies (commodore 64 was in abundance) some books and other micellany. I didn't see any minis there, but you never know... We came out with: - Educator 64 (a Commodore 64 in a PET enclosure w/monochrome 14" display) computer is dead but it uses a standard 64, so no problem there. ;> - Commodore LP2031 PET/CBM IEEE-488 single drive (a IEEE-488 drive in a 1541 case) seems to be ill but much of the electonics and all mechanicals match the 41, no problem! - Jasmine Removable 45 drive (I am assuming a Syquest 44mb drive, it looks similar) still have to get a cartridge to test, but seems clean and ok. - Commodore 1541-II w/power supply & cable (so far so good) - C= Brick Power Supply (light colored one. still untested) - Sea Wolf & Clowns cartridges for the VIC-20. - 'Commodore' paddles and 'Commodore' joystick - An AC 'muffin' fan (works, now cooling the BBS!) - 6 Commodore books (including three nifty Hofhacker ones published by Elcomp) I left a whole bunch of other VIC & 64 books behind cost $30.00 (I could have walked out with more for the same price, but I was being good) Warehouse Sale: 10400 Highway 12, about 5 miles east of Lodi, 8 am to Noon on Saturdays (if you do go, let them klnow that Larry, the Commodore guy told ya about it!) The computer place is: Allen's To Go, in Lockeford, (209) 727-0477 -- I picked up at a couple thrifts some (soon to be) blank disks, the prices are cheaper than MEI/Micro's bulk pricing, $1 for a box of 10+ 5.25" DS/DD... Larry Anderson -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

27 years, 6 months

Printers and Finds of the Week

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 97-06-21 21:41:21 EDT, jeff h. wrote < I found an interesting printer today. It is an SR2000, produced by >Sears Roebuck & Company, or at least it has their name on it. According > to it's test printout, the date stamp on it is 9/25/86. What makes the > printer interesting is that it is a dual-interface model, with both a > standard centronics interface, as well as what appears to be the 6pin >mini-din for the Commodore 8bit serial interface. Were there any other >interfaces that used that connector that it might be? I've found >replacement ribbons for it on the web, but no spec info. It's a dot >matrix printer with between 7 and 9 pins, and cost me a total of $4 and > works great. > Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com > -- >> back around 1991 i had bought the sr3000 model. it's an old 9pin dot matrix printer, and for the most part, seems to be compatible with the epson fx-85. i was able to find replacement ribbons for it at sears also. i was kinda thrilled to see it had a serial port, but then again, it was only for C= models. if anyone needs more info, i still have the owner's manual for mine. as a side note, i had it plugged into my laser128 running GEOS, the mac like interface that ran on the machine but never could get the sr3000 to work, the only driver GEOS had was for the sr2000. david.

27 years, 6 months

Printers and Finds of the WeekFrom: Sam Ismail <dastar@crl.com> To: Classic Computer Discussion <classiccmp@u.washington.edu>

by foxnhare＠goldrush.com

References: <199706150702.AAA14700(a)lists3.u.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE Printers... Gorilla Banana, Tandy DMP 100, Commodore 1525, etc. It was a standard printer mechanism by some manufacturer (I suspect Shikosha (sp)) All were 7 pin characters. I remember some early Commodore Printers (before the 1525) were Epson units (one based in the MX70?) I also remember, for the PETs, our school had a SWTP dot matrix printer. Pretty nifty little bugger, no fancy coverings, you got to see all the gears (printed on 4" wide roll paper as I recall) liked like an early ticker machine or something like that. They also had a Commodore 4023 and a Diablo 630 (heavy as heck and made quite a racket too). I have owned a couple curiosities such as the Commodore 1520 printer plotter (another model type that bore through many company brands) four little tiny pens. Made neat sounds when it was drawing text and lines. :) I still have my Citizen iDP560cd printer, prints on wide register tape (2.?? inches) in two colors (Black/Red) has a Commodore interface and all that. (nowadays you usually see that model printer -w/parallel interface- hooked up to merchant ATM units). Other now gone units MPS-801 and Star NP-10. Other (classic) printers I now have are a Riteman F+ (precursor to the ProWriter Jr.) it has a very short ribbon (something like 20") but a unique feed system (able to print on index cards and use the first line of a page...). Everything else is somewhat modern late model dot-matrix and ink jets. Oh, and a Commodore 8023 wide-carriage dot matrix for my PETs. ------------- RE: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> Subject: Beat this haul... >Ok, the weekend's not even over, and here's how I did: [snip!} >Commodore 64, Commodore 64C (two of 'em, one seems to be this weird clone >since the plastic looks different from the other one and it has no >markings) It's probably an older 64 in that slimline case that was selling a few years back to make an older 64 more resemble a 64C. I recall the ads in Compute's Gazzette and RUN. *** light applause *** that certainly was a haul as well as a good little adventure! Thanks for sharing it with us. :) I know of a Salvation Army in Oakdale that has a small basket full of TI carts including some nice AtariSoft titles... ;) Next time when I get there (and if they are there and are cheap enough) I'll pick some up. --------- Now for my haul (which was today, Sunday). At the Flea Market: 2 Atari Power Packs (15.3va and 31 va) $3.00 now all I need is some Atari DOS and utility disks (HINT! HINT!) 1 Commodore 64C power supply $1.00 a couple printer switchboxes $1.00 ea. Toshiba external SCSI CD-ROM drive (seems to be partially working) $3.00 14.4 Modem $2.00 External Amiga Drive $1.00 At the Thrift Store: Commodore SuperPET (Gosh was I lucky) $20.00 (w/Wordpro plus quick referencebooklet, PET to IEEE-488 cable, power cord and "the Manager" dongle still attached) Commodore 4040 Dual Drive $5.00 3 IEEE-488 cables $2.00 each The SuperPET isn't responding, but still worth it, (I cracked it open to see the guts, there are two daughterboards connected to the motherboard the topmost seems to be the RAM (which makes the computer 96k), and I assume below that is the 6809 co-processor and RS-232 driver. Now I have to hunt down more information... :) Four toggle switches peek out on the side which allow for the storing of the language you wish to use, (setting it to ROM mode did not seem to change the situation) Have yet to test the 4040, I hope it is functional. So far everything from the Flea Market seems to work (I have yet to test the 64 supply though). Nice day, though I think my checkbook is feeling a little thin... Larry Anderson -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Visit our web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/ Call our BBS (Silicon Realms BBS 300-2400 baud) at: (209) 754-1363 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-

27 years, 6 months

Why?

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Whilst in a self-induced trance, e.tedeschi happened to blather: >Scott Walde wrote: While I fully agree with what Scott wrote in his (admittedly longwinded :-) post, I'm not sure if it was stated simply enough.... >> Back to the religion thing again... If I was giving something away, and a >> person wanted it to use it for some purpose which I am 'religiously' >> opposed to (I can't think of a good example off hand) I would probably try >> to find someone else to take the item. I think that this should be my >> right. (I do have the right to practice my religion, don't I?) I hope >> you can see how this applies directly to the computer issue. To put it in 4 words, I believe Scott is saying: "Live and let live." >So now the problem is clear...notwithstanding all the previous >declaration to the contrary THERE IS a problem of someone being opposed >to some other use (and possibly location) of the stuff. I think it is >only fair that it is so. If the problem is clear to you... could you explain it to me? My mind is still dizzy from all this... :-) (Oh, and BTW, would you mind not yelling?) >What is NOT fair is to try to hide it and find other excuses like...too >difficult to pack... to expensive to be worth bothering with it....too >much paperwork etc. Ain't we all in the same passion? If not then I >would rather not be here. Personally, I had no idea that they still "shipped" (pun intended) things on "the Big Pond." I would not have even thought to look for something other than airmail, and I can attest (as I live on the Canada-US border) that Customs can be a right pain in the behind. >See what I mean? (is this too much cultural for someone?) Well, no. Enrico, I do have one question: Are you waiting for someone to say to you: "You're right?" If so, I don't believe you've presented enough evidence to us to judge whether or not you are. I can say that several of the "points" you've tried to make have been very vague and could be interpreted a number of different ways. I've noticed that several people on this list has tried to explain what they percieve to be going on, and I readily admit that I don't know enough about what's going on. However, one thing I do know very well is communication, and there does seem to be a major miscommunication problem here. I for one, would like to see you stay with the list, and yes, there might be the occasional twit on the list as well, but I'm on 5-6 lists (two of which I run), and I must say that I've seen fewer twits on this list than on my others. I have several friends I've met thru e-mail all over the world (and yes, including the U.K... ;-) and I will say that I was offended with you're insistance that this was a "foriegner" issue... This is called the "World Wide Web" not the "U.S. Web." I can also guarantee that no matter what country you visit, you *will* find at least one twit living there. Guaranteed. Enrico, if you can clearly explain your position (with examples, if necessary) to me in private e-mail, I would be more than glad to help you out and would even be glad to act as intermediary between you and anyone else with which there may be a communication problem. Otherwise, I'll go back lurking and I will have no more to say about this thread. (I promise!!! ;^> ) Just my tuppence worth, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* zmerch(a)northernway.net | be your first career choice.

27 years, 6 months

Why?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> > There is the matter of customs which many americans have little experien > > with. > I accept that....but you are such a big country. Isn't it about time you > start looking outside and try to understand other cultures? (no offence > meant) I worked for several companies that was very good in that respect, Japanese and European. I did exchange information and material on a very regular basis however, it was another person in shipping that took care of details of getting it there. AS an engineer the machanics of those transactions were an inpediment to doing the work! In short you are confusing the mechanics of transaction with cultural interaction. I have had only on case where I got something for the shipping cost and depite care in packaging by the shipper a s100 box was received severely bent! Over a certain weight crating is a must it would appear. I don't have the resources to crate a machine. For me save for that one long distance transaction other than for a floppy, a board or paper/books(small under 2kg) to strictly local transactions withing the driving distance of my old toyota pickup truck. As is, that can prove difficult! Allison

27 years, 6 months

[Fwd: Re: Altairs (was RE: Collector Article)]

by e.tedeschi＠ndirect.co.uk

Just by coincidence here is an example I have just received just now (there have been more before I started this debate; I don't that I am paranoid, there is definetely something in this group which is (generally speaking): a) against "displays" (pulling out bits to display etc.) b) Against shipping overseas (cost is no problem as is paid by the recipient) It took my some four e-mail messages to get to this message enclosed here. See what I mean? enrico -- ================================================================ Enrico Tedeschi, 54, Easthill Drive, BRIGHTON BN41 2FD, U.K. tel/fax +(0)1273 701650 (24 hours) or 0850 104725 mobile website <http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi> ================================================================ visit Brighton: <http://www.brighton.co.uk/tourist/welcome.htm>

27 years, 6 months

[Fwd: C65 - The 2nd]

by scott＠saskatoon.com

Also found this in comp.emulators.cbm ttfn srw

27 years, 6 months

[Fwd: Commodore Plus/4 w/ 1541]

by scott＠saskatoon.com

I found this on comp.emulators.cbm ttfn srw

27 years, 6 months

Who was in Australia?

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Subject: Mint Commodore PET FOR Sale From: "Stephen McCoy and Charmiane Barr" <mrsmrx(a)efni.com> Date: 1997/06/17Message-Id: <01bc7b43$fddee5c0$b8933dcf@charmaine> Newsgroups: aus.computers.amiga[More Headers] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BC7B1A.15107EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey all If you are in the market for antique computers and accessories I got one for you--Commodore PET (Slim 25) with a working tape drive and cable. The unit works at its factory best standards as well as the tape drive. If anyone is collecting antique Commodore computer from the seventies/eighties this is a classic machine and there are few left in North America. If you wish to bid on this unit (only serious bids will be received/answered) please write an email to me at the below address and I will get back to you.Thanks for reading and have a good day.-- Stephen McCoy "Quiet"mrsmrx(a)efni.comWise men are those with an open mind to subjects others are not :]

27 years, 6 months

This mlist is ACTIVE!

by gmast＠polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu

I would suggest subscribing to the list in Digest form. One big email message per day and you can skim through to the ones you want to read. Or just delete the whole thing if you're not in the mood (heaven forbid!) > > I just subscribed to this mailing list yesterday and am amazed at the > > traffic. Just today, I seem to have received more than 80 messages! > > Which is why I'm dropping it. >

27 years, 6 months

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test-drb June 1997