test-drb June 1997

test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

115 participants
569 discussions

by sinasohn＠crl.com

At 02:01 PM 6/10/97 -0400, you wrote: >(there is a port) and how hard. Do they run any real OSs or some TRShack? I am told that OS-9 is a pretty good OS, but I don't have any real experience with it. I'm sure there are OS-9 resources out on the net somewhere... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn(a)crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

28 years, 1 month

TI-99/4A Comments

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> > After the collapse of the market for the TI 99/4a, Radio Shack sold many > of the parts (including the keyboard, the internal switching power supply The TI99/4a is not a switcher. I have both the RS powersupply board and two TI99/4a (a black one and a grey one) and neither use a switcher! Now the original ti99/4 with the chicklet keyboard (scarce) did use the switcher. Allison

28 years, 1 month

cocos and stuff

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Somewhere in the back of my head I had the idea that a TDP-100 > was a Coco with added serial hardware included so that Radio > Shack could sell it as a color video terminal. Does anyone > else remember this, or am I completely out of my mind? Looking at the board and my moto data book says no serial devices (6850 or the like). Allison

28 years, 1 month

Sage IV...

by thedm＠sunflower.com

Im not rich, Don't have one. Do I want one? Help me out here? what is it? ---------- > From: Kevan Heydon <kevan(a)motiv.co.uk> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: Sage IV... > Date: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 11:08 AM > > > Hi all, > > I have just recieved this email offering me a Sage IV. I am not > interested as I already have one so the cost of shipping to here in the > UK isn't worth it. So if someone wants it contact him directly. > > Kevan > > ------- Forwarded Message > > To: collector(a)heydon.org > Subject: sage IV > > Hello, I own a Sage IV computer and have some word processing software > and spreadsheet software for the computer. I also own two amber > monitors for the Sage IV. If you are interested in purchasing these, or > know a source in the United States that is interested in this computer > equipment, please leave me a note on the web, or at CompuServe 76627,224 > Jim Krasno (my wife is Nancy Nelson) > Jim > > ------- End of Forwarded Message > > > >

28 years, 1 month

TI-99/4A Comments

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Hi, I should qualify myself as comming from when personal computer meant you owned a computer be it a minuteman-1 missle guidence computer(all transistor), mark-8 or a PDP-8! The TI99/4a was 81 technology and should be compared to that not a P1000000! This seems to occur often. It compared to the PCjr with the chicklet keyboard or COCO1 with same at a time when the osborne-1 totable was new and neat. Apple/III had bombed on the market. It compared to z80 based system at 4mhz and a few emerging at 6mhz or the other non-IBM-PC 8088/6 based s100 systems. There were even 68000 based system but 8mhz were fast ones. It was color! At a time when that capability was uncommon. It didn't require an engineer to hook it up or make it do something/anything. At that time S100 systems, apples, and the like were rarely packaged systems. The trs80 and others started something with ready to run boxes that were also slow and cranky. Can I say it better as...back then a lot of things were starting to shake out, emerge and outright happen. The TI99/4a was one of those and it was far cheaper than a PC even at it introduction price. 1980 to 1984 was an interesting time. Who knows, if IBM and intel didn't hook up we could be running unix on a fifth generation z8000. Allison

28 years, 1 month

TI-99/4A Comments

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> I have a question for you folks. I have a basic TI 99/4a.... that's it. N > cables, no peripherals, no nothing with it. I am wanting to get this Minimally you need the power brick that was 18Vac and 8.5vac, and also the video cable that took compossite color to channel 3/4 or the other that allowed direct hookup to the TI color monitor. FYI sams photofact had a print set for the machine and it was set CC2, TI99/4a model PHC004a. There was also a 66 page technical manual from TI on the console and expansion box. Allison

28 years, 1 month

Tandy 600

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Actually the Tandy 600 was a 1989 concoction. It looks like an early Toshiba laptop, with flip-up narrow LCD display. It has Multiplan, a subset of MS Word, a built-in modem, 360K 3.5" drive, 80x16 display, and sold for $999. I passed up one of these at a swap meet a few weeks ago. Kai > ---------- > From: Marvin[SMTP:marvin@rain.org] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 10:21 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Tandy 600 > > In checking through the master computer lists, I found a Tandy 600 > computer that is not listed. In checking through the docs, I can't > find > any reference to what the CPU is and I would prefer not to take it > apart > to find out:). Anyone know what CPU it uses? The manual was > copyright > 1985 but I don't know when the machine was actually released although > I > would *assume* 1985. It operates with MS-DOS style files and with all > software residing in ROM. It appears that the basic machine comes > with > 32K of RAM expandable to 128K or 224K with special 96K upgrade kits. > It > is classified as a "lap-size" or "handheld" computer; this with the > dimensions being 11 1/2" x 12 1/2" x 2 1/2" and weighing about 9 1/2 > pounds. It comes with a 16 line x 80 character LCD screen, 3 1/2" > drive > and a build-in modem. Built in software includes MS Works V1.2 with > Word, Calendar, File, Telecom, and Multiplan. >

28 years, 1 month

Reminder: electronics/junk/computer sale June 14

by pcoad＠crl.com

This is a reminder for those in the San Francisco Bay area that on June 14 in Mountain View, there will be an junk/electronics sale. The location will be at Haltek (1062 Linda Vista Ave (Shoreline exit off 101)). I believe that this sale will have stuff from 7 different stores. The sale should run from 9am to 3pm. The stores participating are: Alltronics Campbell Techinical Excess Solutions Halted Specialities Haltek Test Labs Weirdstuff Directions: Take Highway 101 to Shoreline Blvd. West Turn Left on Terra Bella Turn left on Linda vista. Haltek is at the end of the road on the left. There will likely be a small get together (two people so far). Anyone who is interested in the get together let me know. There is a pretty good (if slightly expensive) Mexican food place nearby. Within a few miles >from Haltek just about any kind of food can be found. I'm not associated with any of the participants, I just a customer. --pec --------------------------------------------------------------------------

28 years, 1 month

cocos and stuff

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> RS published a technical manual for the color computer; I have a copy of i > somewhere. HOWEVER I found there's an app note from Motorola with schemati > that almost exactly match those in the RS technical manual. I don't recal > whether it was a 6809 app note or a 6847 app note though. If you can find > set of old Motorola data books you may be able to find it. Since I have three distinctly different generation boards I suspect the moto prints would hold to the oldest. Allison

28 years, 1 month

This weekend's haul

by zmerch＠northernway.net

Due to massive amounts of caffeine & sleep deprivation, Doug Spence said: >...and a BIZARRE >piece of IBM equipment: an external 5-1/4" floppy drive, model 4869. Actually, if one worked in an IBM shop, they were quite commonplace... especially when the PS/2's came out. The PS/2's had *no* way to hook an internal 5.25" floppy (due to size of case... and IBM's wanting to create a new standard...) so you had to go external if you wanted/needed to share data with other machines with 5.25" drives. >Now, on the subject of that weirdo IBM 4869 disk drive... what does this >plug into? The guy I bought it from said it was for an old PC. It has a >37-pin connector on the end of its cable. It's LARGER in two dimensions >than even a Commodore 1541 drive. Its power switch is very high quality. >:) Would this be a 160K drive? I haven't ripped it apart (yet) to see >how many heads the thing has. The size of the drive is mainly because of the PS & case (the case is *very* well RFI shielded)... the drive itself is a standard 1/2 height 360K 40TKDSDD 48TPI drive, with a standard 34-pin edge connector. I have one sitting on my desk at home, modified to use a standard cable (read: hole cut with dremel tool in top of case to fit cable) so I can use it with either my PC or with my Tandy CoCo3. *Very* nice drive. Trying to find a few more, so I can floppyize my CoCo2 and CoCo1. If you (or anyone) needs more info on this drive, lemme know. But I can tell you, that just taking it apart is *fun*, if you have 3-4 hours to get it apart and back together. I've had mine disassembled 3-4 times now, to figure where to cut holes & stuff for my cable mods. Enjoy! Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger Merchberger | If at first you don't succeed, Programmer, NorthernWay | nuclear warhead disarmament should zmerch(a)northernway.net | *not* be your first career choice.

28 years, 1 month

Tandy 600

by bwit＠pobox.com

I have one of these and I believe it is based on the Intel 8086. Bob ---------- From: Marvin Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 1997 1:21 PM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Tandy 600 In checking through the master computer lists, I found a Tandy 600 computer that is not listed. In checking through the docs, I can't find any reference to what the CPU is and I would prefer not to take it apart to find out:). Anyone know what CPU it uses? The manual was copyright 1985 but I don't know when the machine was actually released although I would *assume* 1985. It operates with MS-DOS style files and with all software residing in ROM. It appears that the basic machine comes with 32K of RAM expandable to 128K or 224K with special 96K upgrade kits. It is classified as a "lap-size" or "handheld" computer; this with the dimensions being 11 1/2" x 12 1/2" x 2 1/2" and weighing about 9 1/2 pounds. It comes with a 16 line x 80 character LCD screen, 3 1/2" drive and a build-in modem. Built in software includes MS Works V1.2 with Word, Calendar, File, Telecom, and Multiplan.

28 years, 1 month

8088s seattle comp.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

Subject: Re: Seattle Computer CPU Module > The 8080 is a 40-pin package. The Z-80 is a 48-pin package. If I > remember correctly (my life in computers started with the Z-80, really, Whn I got up off the floor laughing... The z80, 8085, 8080 are all 40 pin packages and the z80 in any varient was never in a 48 pin package. The z180 aka 64180 was a 64 pin package or 68pin plcc. > since my friend with the Altair when I was in the USAF didn't let me at > the hardware, he knew my [inclined to injure myself] soldering skills). > This generally means that an adapter was needed to plug a Z-80 into a > board designed for a 8080. But I started my real computer career when Not true. there were z80 based boards to replace the 8080 board. For a while due to costs there where boards that carried z80s that would plug into an 8080 socket to upgrade the machine to z80 perfomance... > computers showed up where you didn't have to count the pins on the CPU, > specifically the TRS-80 (later renamed the Model One). I remember the > first time I looked down into a Model 16 and saw the MC68000 and wondered > why the hell that thing wasn't climbing up the side of the Empire State > Building. What you missed was the ti9900 chip that was 3 years older and also 64 pins. FYI the ti9900 chips was a 16bit cpu! Allison --LAA09304.865785477/europe.std.com--

28 years, 1 month

Sage IV...

by kevan＠motiv.co.uk

Hi all, I have just recieved this email offering me a Sage IV. I am not interested as I already have one so the cost of shipping to here in the UK isn't worth it. So if someone wants it contact him directly. Kevan ------- Forwarded Message To: collector(a)heydon.org Subject: sage IV Hello, I own a Sage IV computer and have some word processing software and spreadsheet software for the computer. I also own two amber monitors for the Sage IV. If you are interested in purchasing these, or know a source in the United States that is interested in this computer equipment, please leave me a note on the web, or at CompuServe 76627,224 Jim Krasno (my wife is Nancy Nelson) Jim ------- End of Forwarded Message

28 years, 1 month

Bit-3 Full-View80 video card for Atari 800

by idavis＠comland.com

At 07:23 PM 6/9/97 -0700, Jeff wrote: >written specifically for the Bit-3 or not? Also, could someone tell me >the power requirements for an Atari 850 interface, as I also picked up >one of those but it didn't have the PSU. Thanks. > > Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ >Collector of Classic Computers: Amiga 1000, Apple II+, Atari 800, >800XL, MegaST-2, XE System, Coleco Adam, Commodore 128D, 16, Plus/4, >VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osbourne Executive, >Radofin Aquarius, TI-99/4A, Sinclair ZX-81, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 >Color Computer 3, Model 4, and Model 4P. Also Odyssey2, Atari SuperPong >and Atari 2600VCS game consoles > I have been using the same power supply for my 850 as my 800. Come to think of it, just about everything I have hooked to my atari is using the exact same power supplies, except for the 1027 printer which has a different sized connector. I will double check the 850 manual when I get home, but I know I just grabbed a regular old atari 800 power supply and started using it. If it turns out to be different, I will post the requirements. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com

28 years, 1 month

Trade for board?

by kyrrin＠wizards.net

Although I currently have a decent QBUS-to-SCSI adapter (Sigma Information Systems model RQD11), it does not appear to be capable of handling, or booting from, a CD-ROM drive with its current revision of firmware. Despite this, it does appear to work quite well (recognized by the MicroVAX it's plugged into, sees devices on the SCSI bus). Since I need to boot from CD, though, the board is of little use to me in its current state. Anyone on here interested in maybe trading me an Emulex or Dilog SCSI card for this one? I do have the original manual (and if you think that was easy to find...) ;-) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Sysop, The Dragon's Cave BBS (Fidonet 1:343/272) (Hamateur: WD6EOS) (E-mail: kyrrin(a)wizards.net) http://www.wizards.net/technoid "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

28 years, 1 month

TI99 (was Re: 8088s seattle comp.)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Personally, my opinion of the TI-99/4a varies from stupid piece of shit > to semi-decent machine. Today I feel like stupid piece of shit. It was > almost completely closed, it's BASIC sucked and was slow, it's keyboard I have two of the beasts and a expansion box with floppy, ram, aftermarket ram and rs232 and ever the little talker thing and a box of games. It is slow. The manuals for the cpu and expansion were available, I got them. It's a compilation of the things you can do to a good cpu to make it run slow and try to do everything. > but then, I came from the world of Apple ][, to which nothing could > compare (uh oh, here come the holy wars). It's attraction? One it was cheaper than an apple with disks! When TI had the great sell off the console was $50, expansion $50, and modules $25-100. That made it appealingly cheap for what it was. I got my during the fire sale so they have been with me since new and work great. Parsec is still a favorite game. Since I have the editor, assember and other packages I also use it for assembly of TI9900 code for the technico board. An aside: The ti994a was an attempt at the time of emerging PCs to deliver the home computing applance. Everyone had an idea and generally the all were poor. Even the original PC was really bad, mostly closed design. They were all noteable as it told marketers what would fly and what had to be there. Amusingly the ti has what every P5 box has today, graphics, sound, games so they weren't that far off <in a perverse sort of way>. Allison

28 years, 1 month

Where do I find classic stuff in MN, SD, ND

by ekman＠lysator.liu.se

Greetings! I will be going to the US next week and would naturally like to take the chance to find some classic stuff. It presently looks like I will be moving around the states Minnesota, South Dakota and North Dakota. Unfortunately, airline baggage regulations will not allow me to purchase any considerable amounts of hardware, so I will be mostly interested in software. Does anyone have any information about shops or other places in those states where I may purchase classic software (or hardware)? I mostly collect Commodore, but anything is of potential interest. /Fredrik

28 years, 1 month

C64 thingy

by dastar＠crl.com

I picked up a Commodore 64 a while ago that had this special board inside. It was inserted between the keyboard and the motherboard. IE. it had a connector that plugged into the keyboard rolex connector on the motherboard and then the keyboard ribbon cable plugged into it. Then it had a 9-pin male D-type connector than came out the back of the C64. My guess is that it was for a numeric keypad or something. I forgot what was stamped on the circuit board. Any ideas? Sam ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass

28 years, 1 month

(fwd) FREE: Collection of Early MS-DOS/PC-DOS SW and manuals

by ynagasaw＠ic.sunysb.edu

I would really like to get old Windows and Turbo Prolog, but I can not go there to pick them up. Is it impossible to send them to me? Of course I will pay for shipping and every thing. Thank you, Yujin Nagasawa

28 years, 1 month

Radofin Aquarius

by jeffh＠unix.aardvarkol.com

Of course, Sam and others have taken to talking about the Mattel Aquarius lately, but I've never seen a mention of the Radofin version, which other than the lack of 'Mattel' logos and the change to the model number and label on the bottom of the machine, is identical. Were many of them sold? Does anyone else out there have one? About all I've been able to learn is that since Radofin was the actual manufacturer of both versions, they continued to produce it for an unknown length of time after Mattel dropped it from their line. There's not even a mention of it on any of the Aquarius references on the web. Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from an Amiga 3000..the computer for the creative mind! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Collector of classic home computers: Amiga 1000, Apple II+, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Coleco ADAM, Commodore 128D, 16, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Mattel Aquarius, Osborne Executive, Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000, TRS-80 Color Computer-3, Model 4, and Model 4P, plus Odyssey2, Atari Superpong and 2600VCS game consoles.

28 years, 1 month

(fwd) FREE: Collection of Early MS-DOS/PC-DOS SW and manuals

by danjo＠xnet.com

A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 2462 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/attachments/19970609/6a01d0a8/at…

28 years, 1 month

How to read/write TRS-80 diskettes from PC?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

> Does anyone know how to read/write TRS-80 Model I format diskettes with > a PC? > > I have a CompatiCard II and a Copy II Option Board. I assume the Option > Board is able to copy TRS-80 diskettes (I hope, just got it this weekend > and haven't tried yet) but I need to actually write files. Sydex 22Disk > appears to support only CP/M formats. TRS-80 disks are single density, single sided, soft sector non-cpm unless after market cpm is installed. The original disk controller was wd1771. There is two form to trs-80 disks those from TRSDOS and those from DiskBASIC. As far as I remember(18 years!) they were compatble with each other. Their structure was very unlike CP/M and it used a FAT style of directory. Now to add to the pain, there were various mods that allowed for double density and even two sided disk drives. If so the controller was wd1793 in the form of a piggy back card. Knowing the controller used is important as some of the system out there created disk formats that are completely unreadable by anything other than a system with 1771/1793! Allison

28 years, 1 month

TRS-80, etc.

by coslor＠pscosf.peru.edu

Howdy folks: I am writing this to let you know... if you would like to be mailed a very complete listing of TRS-80 hardware and software, just e-mail me with your name and mailing address to coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu. This listing costists of 65 pages and will be sent via 1st Class mail ASAP. If you would like it even quicker, please send $3 to the address below to cover MOST of the shipping charges... you would then be 'prioritized'. I collect all types of TRS-80 hardware and software, and specialize in games in both original diska nd tape format, as well as converted for use with modern PC emulators. I have a HUGE collection and would like to share this with others. I like to think I have 'nearly' every commercially sold game (and hundreds of others) written for the TRS-80 line of computers. I also have most applications and DOSs ... all for the Model 1,3,4 as well as a limited supply of CoCo hardware and software. I also collect for many other classic systems, including but not limited to: MSX, Colour Genie, Apple ][, Apple ][e, Apple ][c, Apple ][+, Commodore 64, C-16, Vic 20, Plus 4, Atari series, Coleco, Sincalire Spectrum, P2000, and Vectrex systems. All I ask for most of the software is to be compensated for my expenses (postage, media, etc.) and have very low prices on most of my hardware as I have accumulated a large inventory over the years and need to clear my shelves. I am also looking for the following items in particular: 1) YOUR classic hardware and/or software. I am always buying and trading for those item. 2) 80-Micro, TRS-80 Microcomputing News, Computer News 80, and 80-US Journal magazines, etc. 3) Original manuals, instruction, and game boxes concerning the TRS-80 4) Atari 800 - Atari Artist cartridge. A800LX - RX8053. Just please remember, I am always buying, selling, and trading for these hard to find items... even for things not on the above list. If you're looking for something or have some things to offer... PLEASE let me know. I simply love the TRS-80 and other classic machines and would appreciate any help you may be able to provide in expanding my collection. I most gladly will help you out in adding to your own classic computer or game machine collection. Finally, I have ALL my original disk, tape, and cartridge software... for all systems, converted to run on their respective PC emulators! Send me your want lists, request for a catalog, or what you have to offer: via e-mail, United States Postal Service, or give me a call... I look forward to hearing from you. Best Wishes, CORD COSLOR //*=====================================================================++ || Cord G. Coslor P.O. Box 308 - 1300 3rd St. Apt "M1" -- Peru, NE || || (402) 872- 3272 coslor(a)bobcat.peru.edu 68421-0308 || || Classic computer software and hardware collector || || Autograph collector || ++=====================================================================*//

28 years, 1 month

Cleaning Plastic

by chemif＠mbox.queen.it

At 05:38 09/06/97 -0700, Greg Mast wrote: > > I apologize if this is a repeat question but I can't seem to find the > previous post. > > What were the solutions to removing yellowing from the plastic cases? I > bought a printer that looks terrible. Not sure what caused it so any > suggestions helpful at this point. > > thanks, > > Greg > Hi Greg, I don't know if this will help you in solving cleaning problems, but here is my favourite: FULCRON from AREXONS. I do maintenance and cleaning of computer cases since 10 years (for both job and passion), and i found it to clean jellow stains (caused by nicotine) EVEN BETTER THAN TRIELINE (honestly I find it better than anything else for any kind of dirt exept: paint and ink). It seems to take away the outer layer of jellowing but is not smelling like any petrol derived-solvent. I don't know if you will be able to find it there (AREXONS it's a multinational company, isn't it?), but here in Italy was introduced 3 years ago and now you can find it in any detergent shop. For ink and tape adhesive I use a ISOPROPILIC ALCOOL based product called TERGITUTTO, but this time the company (Sutter) I'm shure it's Italian only, so try to find a similar remedy in your town. Bye Riccardo Romagnoli. Classic Computer Collector Forli' - Italy

28 years, 1 month

Removing adhesive (RE: Cleaning Plastic)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

I recommend "3M General Purpose Adhesive Remover", which is inexpensive and comes in a red and white quart-size can that will last you until roughly the year 2020. Some hardware stores carry it, but it's most reliably found at an auto paint supply store (check your local yellow pages). I once used this stuff to remove an entire vinyl top from a '68 Chevy, so I can tell you it really does work, and does not appear to harm either your skin or any kind of plastic. Doesn't smell very bad, and isn't highly flammable. In response to an earlier question, Cameo copper cleaner can be found in most any grocery store or general goods store. Kai > ---------- > From: Sam Ismail[SMTP:dastar@crl.com] > Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu > Sent: Monday, June 09, 1997 10:56 AM > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > Subject: Re: Cleaning Plastic > > On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, Mr. Self Destruct wrote: > > > I've always just used those blue brillo pad thingys. They generally > do > > well at taking off a bunch of hard to remove stuff (tape spooge, > stains, > > etc.) Sometimes when I'm REALLY bored I take the keyboard apart > (keycaps, > > etc.) and scrub them up too. Real satisfying to see a 12 year old > machine > > look like new... > > Regarding "tape spooge" (what a great moniker, if not gross) this is > the > bane of my existence. I hate that shit. I went out and got some > stuff > called Goof Off from Home Depot which was supposed to do away with > that > stuff but it didn't work very well. I didn't try it on anything metal > > yet, but most of my problems are with people putting velcro with the > sticky backs on plastic cases. I tried cleaning some plastic with > tape > spooge on it and it just melted the damn thing. Anyone have any > ideas? > > Sam > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, > Writer, Jackass >

28 years, 1 month

Jump to page:

2025

2024

2023

2022

2021

2020

2019

2018

2017

2016

2015

2014

2013

2012

2011

2010

2009

2008

2007

2006

2005

2004

2003

2002

2001

2000

1999

1998

1997

test-drb June 1997