> It seems every time I turn around, I find something else I either
> haven't seen in a while, or don't know anything about it. In this case,
> I picked up a brand new Digilog 1500 some number of years ago. It is
> not on the "Big List" so does anyone know anything about this?
Yeah, I know a little about Digilogs. Used to use one quite a bit; when I
started working here, that was the CP/M machine of choice and we had a
couple of them (the non-CP/M machine of choice were the Micro PDP-11s that
DEC kept throwing at us). Someone had built a custom interface between one
of them and a PC05 to punch paper tape to ship out to folks who did our
wire-wrapping (the software to generate the paper tapes was either in
FORTRAN on the PDP-11s or PL/I-80 on the Digilogs; shortly after I arrived
we moved the FORTRAN version to the VAX-11/780 we had just installed (sigh;
I was the only user of the 11/780 most of the time and I had a whole
gigabyte of RM05s to play with; those were the days), so I never had to use
the PL/I-80 version of the wirewrap software). We started picking up
Televideo 802s and 803s about that time and migrated from the Digilog to
them.
No promises, but I _may_ have a CP/M boot disk for the thing and (depending
on how recently my cow-orkers have cleaned their offices) I may be able to
find a bit of technical info.
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
> Hmm. One of my friends got a LOT of apple II stuff from a business that
> went under. One of the things he got was an 8" CP/M disk. I'm gonna go
> try to get my hands on it. (It said CP/M on it). It may be
> destroyed/gone by now. This was a year or two ago, before I got
> interested in old stuff... Any way to tell what system it's for without
> being able to read it?
You usually can't tell what system it's for even _with_ being able to read it.
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
I just recieved an Atari XDM121 printer, and it appears to work fine,
though is in need of a new ribbon. It is a daisy wheel printer, 80 column,
and is set up to connect to the Atari 8bit I/O bus. It appears to have been
produced in the mid to late 80's since the style of the case and buttons on
the front are the same as those of the Atari ST line of computers, and not the
earlier 8bit machines (ie. the case is grey and the 3 buttons on the front
panel have diagonal vertical lines). My question is about a third connector
on the back (the other two being the 8bit I/O bus connectors). This third
connector is a modular connector, similar to a RJ-11 phone jack, and it has
just two contacts in it. Any ideas on what this might be for? Any help would
be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Jeff jeffh(a)unix.aardvarkol.com
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At 10:29 AM 6/19/97 -0400, you wrote:
>"Evil Empire?" == Use the Farce, Duke! == First, if you have an Atari ST,
>(and I think TOS 1.4 or above... getting my ST next weekend! Wheeeee! ;-)
>it can read/write/format PC floppies.
The atari ST could always (well, production models on, anyway) read/write PC
floppies. Formatting, however, was initially a problem. It seems there's
an unused field somewhere in the admin stuff on a pc floppy that Atari
figured didn't matter. So they left it blank. But, for some reason, IBM
machines needed some value in there. (I'm probably way oversimplifying, and
making errors...)
So floppies formatted on the atari worked fine on the atari, but if you
wanted to use the floppy on both machines, you needed to format it on the PC
(or use a third party formatter that fixed the problem.) Some later version
of TOS (1.4?) fixed this.
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Ok, got another freebie for the group. I have the infamous DEC 'Orange
Wall' worth of docs on VMS 4.whatever, at least a couple of big boxes
worth. As I don't anticipate running VMS (heck, I don't own a big VAX!)
anytime soon, I would rather see these go to someone who needs them.
If no one speaks up, I'll recycle the innards and use the binders. First
one who wants to visit me in Kent, WA can have 'em!
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| In my experience, the "volunteers" at the Salvation Army
filtered out
| anything that even resembled computers so that they could sell
it
| themselves. If it comes in a box and has a detach keyboard
(i.e. looks
| like a PC) it never gets to the showroom floor. Trust me....
I *know*
Well, I don't think they're selling them themselves... if they have a
policy (perhaps nationally) like the western washington Salvation Army
headquarters in downtown Seattle, they auction off pallets of donated
computer equipment to the for-profit thrift organizations such as Value
Village, Thriftko and Shop & Save.
Unfortunately, the Seattle headquarters holds the auctions not monthly,
not weekly, but DAILY, and at 8:30 AM !!!
Kai
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| From: James Willing
| Subject: Re: Mark 8
|
| On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Marvin wrote:
|
| > I need another project :) and I was thinking about building
the Mark 8
| > computer. Somewhere, I seem to recall that someone was
having the board
| > sets for this computer made up, does anyone out there know
or remember
| > who might be doing this?
|
| That would be me...
If you get one of these up and running, I have a Scelbi book, "Space
Wars for the 8008 Microprocessor" with full hex code listings...
Kai
At 09:48 AM 6/18/97 -0700, you wrote:
>negotiations for everyone. But I think it would be best if one person
>did the negotiating and made the deal. It depends on what everyone
I agree... We could have them shipped to one place and re-shipped from
there; USPS should be around $3-5 if you're not in a hurry. (And I'm not
worried about them becoming obsolete before I get mine...)
If they're shipped to the bay area, I've got lots of boxes and packing
materials I need to get rid of... (I'd volunteer to handle it, but I'm new
to the mailing list, and if it were me, I would trust me yet.)
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From: Paul E Coad <pcoad(a)crl.com>
Subject: Weekend Acquisitions III
>...Get money. Go back to thrift. The VIC was still there.
>Bought the box of stuff for $5. This included VIC-20 (still untested),
>CN2 (my 3rd!), 3K, 8K, and 16K memory carts, super expander cart (with
>manual), Forth Cart with box and manual, programmer's aid cart, machine
>language monitor cart, 7 cart games, and a few cassette games.
(think Homer Simpson Voice): Mmmmm Utilities!
I have about 20 or so various Commodore datasettes, from a couple
butchered Sanyo decks Commodore stuck in the first PETs to a clone one.
Almost tempted to pick up another today -along with the 64 it was being
sold with-
>Saturday noon
>Went back to the sale and met up with Uncle Roger and his girlfriend.
>We had an excellent lunch. Swapped a few stories. Went home and
>explained to my wife why I NEED 2 more Sun keyboards.
Fortunately for me my wife understands, as she has read, it is easier
to get along with your spouse if each of you have a money-pit hobby,
hers is mainly knitting, spinning, and fabrics, and mine classic
computers. I understand when she needs that third sewing machine and
she understands the gleam in my eye as a snag another 4040 dual drive.
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From: Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: PONG
>...Several years before Pong, Nolan created a more
>sophisticated game called Computer Space, built by Nutting and
>Associates.
>Computer Space was the first arcade video game.
>Trust me, I own all of them.
>Kai
I have been curious what was Computer Space like????? I keep reading
about it, but no good descriptions. What were the controls, the layout,
the game play, etc.
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SuperPET update!
Well I was a little bit conservative in my estimation of
daughterboards on the SuperPET, the count is now three (well technically
four, one of the daughterboards has a daughterboard itself.) I
discovered the bottom-most daughterboard seemed to be loose so I had to
do a partial diassembly to get to it.
It would seem that the bottom-most daughterboard plugs directly into
the 6502 socket of the 8032 motherboard, and that daughterboard was not
seated in the socket (which is raised with about 4 stacked chip
sockets!) Continuing on, I discover that also some of the pins on the
bottom of the daughterboard were bent and *sigh* some broke upon attempt
to get them back in line (they should be replaceable, but not too
easily.) For now, I decided to re-assemble it (and all the various
cross-connections and such).
Also, I had gotten word back from the person who has a SuperPET and
set the switches to work as an expanded 8032. I now can get the
'jingle' sound and a screen full of garbage characters! (Not a complete
victory, but a very good amount of progress here!)
Plus, the gentleman does have some of the disks:
>Yes, I have most of the Waterloo software stuff, for sure the assembly
>stuff, the Pascal possibly, the Fortran for sure, and possibly the
>BASIC. I may even have the Cobol stuff...
I really don't have the time or space to do much more presently, (one
of these decades when I retire or win the lottery) but will work on
getting a set of the disks, for future use. This is so much fun, my
Commodore collection is getting there!
Larry Anderson
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Here's some info from the guy about the AIM65s. They sound like nice units.
Marvin, please e-mail me so we aren't stepping on each other's toes.
Sam
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:02:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeooo1(a)aol.com
To: dastar(a)crl.com
Subject: Re: Aim65
Dear Sam,
They are all in new working condition.The beauty about the Aim 65 is that
it was a single board computer which was self contained in that it had its
display,printer,and memory all mounted on its board so that peripheral
attachments weren't necessary.Yes,it comes with a keyboard and power supply
also.I developed a plastic enclosure and metal base and ROM board for the
system so the keyboard and power supply could be housed with the Aim in a
compact unit and programs could be burned onto eproms which would seat in the
ROM board rather than rely on tape storage which involves a recorder hookup
and would be quite slow.
Best Regards
Mike
>One question that does come up is how to handle the repackaging and
>remailing assuming we can buy them as a bulk deal. I have access to a
I'm sure there will be enough people in the bay area to warrant a dinner
get-together to distribute a bulk package.
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Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com> writes:
> 1. What is an Aim65?
It's a singleboard 6502 system/eval kit from Rockwell, sort of like
the MOS/CBM KIM-1, only different. 6502, some RAM, some ROM
(sockets?), 20-char LED display, QWERTY keyboard, cash-register
printer, a couple of bus connectors off the left side of the board.
Actually, I'm not sure if the display, keyboard, and printer were
there on all of them but I remember them being sold with those in the
late 1970s/early 1980s.
> 2. What is a good price to offer to buy/sell one?
A few years ago I paid $5 for one at Foothill. It had apparently been
OEMd into a nutrition advising system of some sort, as that is what
seemed to be in the ROMs and it came in a cheap plastic case that
pretty much hid the guts (just sturdy enough to be a frame for the
AIM-65 and the power supply). No documentation, either for the AIM-65
itself or for the nutrition software.
I don't recall for sure, but would expect that an AIM-65 from Rockwell
would have come with something other than the nutrition software in
the ROM sockets. Somewhere I do have an AIM-65 manual but it is (like
most of my collection at present) in storage.
-Frank McConnell
On Wed, 18 Jun 1997, Glenn Roberts wrote:
> i'm interested in one of the Aim 65's. $20 seems like a fair offering
> price. you mentioned a bulk offer but then you mentioned his email address
> so wasn't clear if you guys were trying to coordinate this or let everyone
> deal directly with him. let me know how this pans out. tx.
I didn't want to seem like a slick willy trying to take over the
negotiations for everyone. But I think it would be best if one person
did the negotiating and made the deal. It depends on what everyone
wants. If it's OK with everyone else, I or Marvin can do the deal, then
let everyone know. Otherwise, if everyone wants to take a stab at it
themselves, that's fine. I think the easiest for all parties is to offer
a bulk buyout at a set price. I think everyone will come away winners.
Sam
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I apologize if this is a repeat question but I can't seem to find the
previous post.
What were the solutions to removing yellowing from the plastic cases? I
bought a printer that looks terrible. Not sure what caused it so any
suggestions helpful at this point.
thanks,
Greg
Hi.
I'm a small-time collector interested in older unix machines, though
I think I'd be more interested in micros if I had more room than
my apartment provides.
I was picking up a load of Sun VME-bus equipment today and ran across
some memory boards. These are definitely not for the suns, neither
multi-bus nor vmebus. The boards are perhaps 12"x16" and are populated
with what I presume to be memory chips (AMD 21-17559-01 / 8333EMM)
in 16 banks of 9 chips each. The connector along the back has 6
distinct edge-card pieces, with 18 contacts per connector per side.
All of the boards appear to be more or less of the same nature, but
one is manufactured by Motorola, and 4 have digital markings. Along
the back of three of the digital boards, there are two metal
protrusions. One says AM, the other M8210. The other digital board
is AZ M8210, and it has a lot of Mostek chips that I would guess
are 16kbit 300ns chips . .
Does anyone know what machine used these boards?
The sun equipment I salvaged was sadly without CPU board or power supply but
I did manage to grab 2 8mb boards and a bevy of SCSI and SMD controllers.
I guess I can add it to my collection of old sun hardware that needs
drives to become operational. Do SMD drives frequently show up at
swap meets, etc?
matt
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>
> If you get one of these up and running, I have a Scelbi book, "Space
> Wars for the 8008 Microprocessor" with full hex code listings...
I've designed using that chip and still have my MCS-8 microcomputer set
manual from intel If you need help.
FYI another old ram chip that fits with that CPU is 2101 (256x4).
Allison
In a message dated 97-06-18 00:54:51 EDT, bill(a)booster.bothell.washington.edu
(Bill Whitson) wrote:
<< - Does anyone consider the Franklin Ace 1000 Apple II clone very
> collectible?
Yes. It was a legitimate alternative to the Apple II+ at a lower price. I
designed my first database on a 1000 and found it to be 100% compatible with
the II+ (it should have been since they copied the II+ roms) and very
reliable. I think that the Franklin line as well as the Laser series of
clones belongs in any Apple II collection.
Lou
At 12:22 PM 6/17/97 -0700, you wrote:
>1", "Lotus", "dBase II", "Wordstar", "IBM PC", and "Multimate". Anyone
>out there know what these are and what they go to? Thanks!
Well, "IBM PC" helps date it, as does "dBase II". Has to be early-to-mid
80's. I would guess, off the top of my head, PCjr cartridges? Do I win the
prize?
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Count me in for $20 plus shipping! Ill be @ E3, so no responces for a
few days.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Ismail [SMTP:dastar@crl.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 1997 12:34 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: AIM65
>
>
> Ok, here's the deal. Marvin & I are both in contact with a guy who
> says
> he has 14 AIM65 units. Hopefully you all have been paying attention
> and
> have read the messages describing what this is. Marvin & I are of
> course
> both interested in buying one, and we dicussed the possibility that
> others in the discussion would be interested as well. We feel that if
>
> enough of us get together and offer this guy a bulk buy-out, we can
> get a
> good price from him. Marvin & I are talking about $20 a piece as of
> now. If this is of interest to anyone, I can give you his e-mail
> address
> and you can ask specific questions, but make sure you mention you are
> a
> part of this one-shot buyout so that we get a good deal. I think
> first
> we should get a count of who is all interested and then approach the
> guy. He's in New Jersey, and I don't think shipping should be more
> than
> $5 per unit.
>
> His e-mail address is Mikeooo1(a)aol.com and he left his phone number
> for me:
> (201) 331-1313.
>
> Please reply if you are interested in going in together on this.
>
> Sam
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I think I saw this go by once before on the group, but -
- How do you get an Apple /// to boot from the ProFile?
Also:
- Does anyone consider the Franklin Ace 1000 Apple II clone very
collectible?
thanks
Kai
Sam,
I don't own any computers that use EBCDIC, but I use them every day at
work. EBCDIC - extended binary coded decimal interchange code is the
character set used on most (if not all) IBM mainframes and midrange
systems. (IBM S/390, S/36, S/38, AS/400 etc.) This set has its roots
in punched cards (and prior) and really makes more sense when viewed
>from that perspective vs. that of the way things are today. ASCII -
American National Standard Code for Information Interchange.
Back when I was in college, an instructor stated it this way:
(Speaking about the need for a uniform way to share info across machines.
"There are two ways to obtain a standard in the industry. The first is
to get a big commitee together and have all parties involved agree on
what it should be (ASCII). Or, be the largest company in the industry,
do it your own way and force everyone else to adopt your way of thinking.
Dan
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Sam Ismail wrote:
DOes anyone have a computer which uses the EBCDIC character set, rather
than ASCII (did I get the acronym right? what does it stand for
anyway)?
Just curious.
Sam
At 11:41 PM 6/16/97 -0700, you wrote:
>DOes anyone have a computer which uses the EBCDIC character set, rather
>than ASCII (did I get the acronym right? what does it stand for anyway)?
My HP3000 can write mag tapes in EBCDIC.
EBCDIC: Extended Binary Coded Decimal Interchange Code (From the Acronym
Database on the 'web.)
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At 11:57 PM 6/17/97 -0400, Les wrote:
>If someone has got a reasonably priced IMSAI in the Philly area to sell,
>then fine... but I just don't see it hapening any time soon...
hang in there. i actually saw an industrial type IMSAI chassis for sale at
the Frederick (MD) Hamfest last weekend - only a couple hours drive from
Philly so these things *do* exist on the east coast! i think he was asking
$50 or $60. i believe he left without selling it so it could reappear. it
wasn't complete but could have been a good starting point for an IMSAI
collector (it had several CPU boards and some other stuff). of course
without the front panel it's not as visually interesting as the original
IMSAI. btw: he said he has bought this as part of a bigger package that
included an original IMSAI and an Altair - both of which he fixed up and
later sold!
- glenn
