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Mailing List Basics
A mailing list is a simple device which takes an e-mail and
redistributes it to a group of people. People can add and
remove themselves from the distribution list by Subscribing
and Unsubscribing. When you send a message to the list, it
is first examined by the robot for key words that tell it
to process an automatic funtion (like help, subscribe,
unsubscribe, etc). If the message does not contain a keyword
it is sent to the distribution list.
How to Talk to the Robot
There are a few List Processor commands that you might want to
use. To send a command to the list processor, write a message
to listproc(a)u.washington.edu (Do NOT send the message to
classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu). In the body of the message (not
the subject line, that is) write one of the following commands,
then send the message.
SET CLASSICCMP MAIL ACK
Tells the robot to send you a copy of messages you
write to the list. This is the default.
SET CLASSICCMP MAIL NOACK
Tells the robot NOT to send you a copy of messages
you write to the list. I don't recommend this.
SET CLASSICCMP MAIL DIGEST
Tells the robot to send you a digest of messages
rather than each as it is posted. With this option
you will get a weekly bundle of messages and keep
a nice, tidy in-box.
SUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address
Subscribes you to the list.
UNSUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address
Removes you from the list.
That's the basics. If you need to know more just drop me
a line at bcw(a)u.washington.edu. Some requests may take a
couple days as I just don't know that much about the list
processor ;).
>
> It's an IBM 370 mainframe emulator. Here's what I've heard:
>
> There should be a "P" card that should have two Motorola 68000s, both
> modified in varying ways and produced under license by IBM on it, plus a
> 8087. It should attach to the M card that has 512K of ram on it. And
> then there's a PC3277-EM card that is just a 3270 terminal emulator that
> should attach to the mainframe.
>
> I don't know much more about this, since I'm just getting all this
> information second hand. It's allegedly in a book called _Upgrading and
> Repairing PCs_, but I don't know the author.
>
I have that book. It's by Scott Mueller and the one I have is 1988.
Here's what it says (to add to your info):
"...All this hardware is run by a program called the 3270 PC Control
Program. This combination can support up to seven concurrent
activities: one local PC DOS session, four remote mainfram sessions,
and two local electronic notepads. With the assistance of the 3270
PC Control Program, information can be copied between windows,
except that a PC DOS window may not receive information. "
The cards used are:
3270 System Adapter (communication 'tween the 3270 PC & 3274)
Display Adapter (replaces PC's mono/cga card. No graphics unless...)
Extended Graphics Adapter - XGA (required to get graphics)
Programmed Symbols adapter (provides graphics with 3278/3279 stations)
IBM also had an XT 370 that used the PC 370-P, PC 370-M, and
PC 3277-EM cards.
The P card emulates the 370 instruction set. This card has the
Motorola 68K cpu's. It also has the 8087.
The M card is the 512K mentioned above.
And the 3277 card hooks up to the S/370 mainframe.
So I reckon you have the XT 370.
The price of the 370 attachments was $3,000 over the price of the
XT this stuff had to go into. Jeez!
Marc
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Greetings.
Recently I picked up a manual for a machine called the "Laser Concept
286/16 Laptop" for the sole reason that it has a couple of good photos of
the machine's red gas plasma display.
I remember seeing some other systems with this kind of display in
magazines. (The GRiD Compass comes to mind?)
Anyway, I'm wondering why this technology was so little used. What were
the major disadvantages? And do these displays still survive today? (Does
anyone have one?)
I think gas plasma displays look extremely cool, but I've never actually
seen one in real life. They could be a real pain in the eyes to use for
extended periods?
Doug Spence
ds_spenc(a)alcor.concordia.ca
>Anyone ever heard of a Kaypro 4? I know what the Kaypro is, but this
>specific model? When was it released and what does it run? What type of
>CPU does it have?
Gee. One I can answer. I'm not a collector like you folks, but I did use
Kaypros and other CP/M machines for about a decade. The Kaypro 4 is your
basic Kaypro transportable with a Z80 CPU (probably 4 MHz) and 64K RAM. It
has two DSDD floppies which give 390K each in Kaypro's format, which is where
the "4" comes from. At some point in 1984 or later, Kaypro switched from
using Roman to Arabic numerals. Thus the 4, as opposed to the IV, is a later
machine. Some of the later machines had a built in 300 bps modem, but if
memory serves those all had "X" suffixes, as in Kaypro 2X (which
paradoxically also had DSDD floppies, not the SSDDs of the Kaypro II).
--Dav
david_a._vandenbroucke(a)hud.gov
Hi,
I have a few old computers at home up and running, but without
documentation. Does someone has information about the following systems or
can point me to a source of information (servers, books, software) ?
Vendor: System: Operating System:
Wang OIS 140/III OIS 9.9
Nixdorf 8870 Niros
DEC uVAX II netBSD
Epson HX-20 Basic
Hitachi 6805 developing system
The uVAX is common, but Informations about the Wang and Nixdorf are hard to
find.
Thanks for any help,
-- Karlheinz
Anyone ever heard of a Kaypro 4? I know what the Kaypro is, but this
specific model? When was it released and what does it run? What type of
CPU does it have?
Sam
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On 07-May-97, classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu wrote:
>So what's the point? Preserving the machines is good, but it is only
>part of the picture. What is the good of preserving a machine if all
>of "culture" that surrounds the machine is lost?
Agreed, which is why my more common systems, such as the Atari 800 and
Vic-20 are fairly filled out with peripherals and such. Take for example my
VIC-20..it has the following:
VIC-20 boxed, VIC-1541 floppy, VIC-Modem, VIC-1525 printer, C2N Datasette,
manuals for the VIC-Modem anad 1541, as well as 9 cartidges and about 6
original cassette tapes of programs, including one tape still in it's
packaging.
This to me is quite a well rounded system, much like one would find someone
using on a daily basis. Unfortunately, for some of my systems, such as the
Aquarius, it's not so easy to find the software and such for it. But I
definately pay at least as much attention to searching out the add-ons as I do
the systems themselves. In fact, at this point, my attention is likely to
turn mostly to the add-ons and such, as I've aquired the more common systems
I've sought and likely won't be aquring them as a whole as often.
>Save those manuals, flyers, ads, boxes, packing foam, and twist-ties.
>Save them even if you don't have a machine to go with them.
One thing I always noticed about people into antique and classic cars is
that a lot of them also search out the advertisements and such for thier
favorite marque. It'd certainly be interesting to do such a thing for the
computers as well. Too bad I tossed out all of my older magazines years ago.
Jeff jeffh(a)eleventh.com
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Collector of classic home computers:
Amiga 1000, Atari 800, 800XL, Mega-ST/2 and XE System, Commodore
C-128D, Plus/4 and VIC-20, IBM 5155, Kaypro 2X, Osbourne Executive
Radofin Aquarius, Sinclair ZX-81, TI-99/4A, Timex-Sinclair 1000,
TRS-80 Color Computer-3 and Model 4, plus Atari Superpong and
2600VCS game consoles.
Hi!
I have in my basement a genuine ADDS Multivision machine. It's runs a
multitasking version of CP/M, called MUON, and used to run
brilliantly until I accidentally ran the SYSGEN utility which, I
found out later, overwrote the config information. It now refuses to
boot, saying "Stack error" or something equally useful :-(
Has anybody heard of this machine before - or, even better, does
anybody have boot disks for MUON v2.3 ??
I would phone up ADDS, but they're in America and I don't
particularly fancy all the international phone calls from the UK!
I don't have their address or fax number or anything - and that's not
even mentioning the fact that quite probably, nobody there will know
a thing about this machine! :-(
If any of you can help in any way, it would be much appreciated!!
Thanks,
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Well, I had a good weekend, acquiring lots of stuff too numerous to
list. I got a genuine IBM PC (this time for sure), an Atari 1040ST, a
Visual Computer Inc. Commuter "lap-top" (circa 1983 with a small flip-up
LCD display, runs DOS), a Tandy TRS-80 Model 2000, TI Silent 700 Portable
Data Terminal, Atari 800XL...
I also picked up some extras for trading. Currently I have a couple
original IBM PCs and PC XTs and a couple TI Silent 700 protable data
terminals (with acoustic couplers).
One of the IBM PCs is an oddity: it is actually labelled the IBM 3270
Personal Computer and inside it has three cards connected together to form
the video card. It has one 9-pin male 'D' connector on the back (like a
standard monochrome monitor adaptor). I was told this was for an enhanced
graphics monitor. It also had a card in the slot next to the CPU. The
card has a CPU on it, and has a ribbon cable going from the card to the
socket on the motherboard where the CPU used to be. Any ideas what this
is? I don't know if I want to trade this just yet. But if anyone is
interested in a genuine IBM PC for trade, I can get more.
Sam
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At 01:09 PM 5/18/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>On the line of interesting storage devices - does anyone remember the
>"scanner" that read strips of encoded data. I don't remember what it
>was called, but for a little while they printed some of these strips in
>Nibble. I think it was an Apple II only thing. I guess you could read
>and print these strips and they generated programs when you scanned
>them.
It's called a Causin 'Strip Reader'. Cable and software kits were
available for both PC compatable and Apple II series computers. I have one
in my collection, but with no software at present. (have not got a picture
on the web page yet either - foo!) Have been trying to track down the
software for either system...
>Also, some personal bad news - my van was broken into on Friday night
>and a large load of classic equipment was stolen (I'm preparing to move
>and the it was the easiest place to store it).
Aw heck! ('course, I do the same...)
-jim
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