I've sent requests to join their mailing lists, which never get approved. I've tried to contact the owners directly, but never get a response. I suspect my email is being dumped into a spam folder. (I've been on the net so long and my email address has been so prominent, that spammers have often used my email address as the forged From address on their spam; as a result I've been placed on a bunch of filters and its hopeless to try and get removed from them, since they don't notify you that you've been put on a filter list.) Does anyone have any successful contact with these sites? <http://www.cray-cyber.org/general/start.php> <http://www.cyber1.org/> I've been trying to get in touch with them to get my PLATO terminals up and running. Thanks! -- "The Direct3D Graphics Pipeline" -- DirectX 9 draft available for download <http://www.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/index.html> Legalize Adulthood! <http://blogs.xmission.com/legalize/>