>I'm a U.S. citizen (well, I might not be after the SS, Shrubs Spooks,
>reads this... they might revoke my citizenship, even though my
>ancestors came over here several hundred years ago)
You know, I was just thinking about that myself. What would they do with
someone like me, who's ancestors predate the US being here?!? I can get
that someone who is a naturalized citizen they can kick back to whatever
country they came from... but what are they going to do to me? Kick me
back to Virginia? (one of my older ancestors was the given the Virginia
colony to run)
>The U.S. military had no right to do that, whether
>overseas or over here... anyone who lands on someone's _private
>property_ and then has the audacity to order the owners to leave, as
>well as ordering people living in neighboring properties to leave,
I don't know about Australia, but I suspect if you dig thru the laws,
there is some exclusion here in the US that does allow for this. I base
that on the fact that in the fire service we DO have the right to evict
people from an area in the name of safety. For instance, if we have a gas
main break, we can go house to house and forcably remove people in the
effected area if we feel that their life is in danger. They don't have to
consent, and we don't need a court order (although I suspect if we did it
without damn good reason, we could probably be sued later).
We can also keep custody of the property until we are "finished" with the
scene. Here in NJ that is defined as the reasonable amount of time to
handle the event and any followup investigation OR until the last EMS
person leaves the scene, whichever happens first.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Does anyone have a copy of DOS-Plus for the TRS model 4 that they can send me? I picked up a 4 last weekend with no SW or docs and I already have DOS-Plus SW and manuals for the model 1.
Joe
The original IBM RAMAC disk platters were several feet across:
"The 350 Disk File consisted of a stack of fifty 24" discs that can be seen
to the left of the operator in the above picture. The capacity of the entire
disk file was 5 million 7-bit characters, which works out to about 4.4 MB in
modern parlance. This is about the same capacity as the first personal
computer hard drives that appeared in the early 1980's, but was an enormous
capacity for 1956. IBM leased the 350 Disk File for a $35,000 annual fee."
The Control Data 808 disk drive also used platters that were at least thet
large.
Anyone in Europe (or elsewhere) care to join us?
Later --
Glen
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From: Peter Liebert-Adelt <P.Liebert(a)t-online.de>
To: Glen Goodwin <acme(a)ao.net>
Subject: [zx81] ZX81 users meeting in four weeks
Date: 02/20/2003 5:20 PM
> Hi ZX81 users
>
> May be it's a litte bit far away from you, but you should know:
>
> 7th ZX-TEAM-meeting will take place from friday, 21st of march 2003 at 18.oo
> pm)
> local time, until sunday 23rd of march 12.00 (noon) in the heart of Germany
> in a little village called Dietges, which is loacted near the town of Fulda.
> For more informations please mail or vistit our homepage: http://www.zx81.de
>
> Good by(t)e, "sinclairly" yours
>
> Peter
>
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Hey Joe (and listmembers) --
You and I discussed this on the phone today, but just for the general
edification of the listmembers:
If you need *any* kind of software for TRS-80s, check out www.trs-80.com.
All of the major OSes are there, as well as manuals, emulators, etc.
Later --
Glen
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> Does anyone have a copy of DOS-Plus for the TRS model 4 that they can send
> ? I picked up a 4 last weekend with no SW or docs and I already have DOS-Plus
> and manuals for the model 1.
>
> Joe
We had several Victor 9000's. They ran CP/M and a proprietary MS-DOS. They
had built-in codec. They actually predated the IBM PC back in 1980. They
were the best available computers at the time, when the TRS-80 was
prevalent on the market. My dad still may have one on his closet shelf. I
threw mine away when I bought my first PC clone, a 4mhz, 4 mb ram 386SX.
I just randomly remembered the other day that when I was at uni one of the
computing lecturers one day rolled out an enormous disk platter to demonstrate
how hard disk technology has changed over the years.
The platter was pretty huge - around 1m in diameter. Any ideas as to what
system it may have come from?
Im just curious really - I've not seen much really old hardware up close, but
the impression I got from the pictures I've seen is that drive technology
didn't typically use platters *that* large.
(and hell, this beats talking about the war :)
cheers
Jules
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Owen: the RC25 are DEC's attempt at creating funny things.
They are MSCP disks (connect to UDA50 or KDA50) with an SDI
bus. They are actually two drives in a single coffin- one
winchester drive (13MByte) and a removable cartridge drive,
also 13MB. So, one could back on the winchester to the
removable, and so on.
I have one here.. just no cartridge.
--f
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owen Robertson [mailto:univac2@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 6:26 PM
> To: Classic Computer Mailing List
> Subject: DEC RC25 Drives
>
>
> A few weeks ago, I got a rather nice PDP-11/34 (34A, turnkey
> front panel)
> from a scrap yard. They had two identical systems being used
> in some sort of
> electronic testing devices. I only got one system because the
> other one
> looked like it had been hit by a forklift a couple times. It
> wasn't in great
> shape, so I salvaged some cards from it (CPU, memory, DELUA, drive
> controller, UNIBUS utility stuff...).
>
> My system is in very nice shape though. And along with the
> CPU, I also got
> two RC25 drives, along with controllers and cables. I've
> never seen these
> before. Can anyone tell me anything about them? They look
> like nice drives,
> but I've never really heard much about them.
>
> Anyway, this will be my third 11/34. Of the other two, I
> still have (and
> very much like) one, and one has been passed on to another
> list member.
> Anyway, more questions on recent acquisitions to come
> shortly, I'm sure.
>
> --
> Owen Robertson
But note that the Climet claim is qualified by "a box in which a phone
handset could be placed". How were the Bell modems interfaced?
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Smith [mailto:eric@brouhaha.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:16 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Cc: allain(a)panix.com
Subject: Re: FYI: 25th Anniversary of Ward Christensen's BBS
I wrote about (binary) data transfer by modem:
>> At least as early as 1965 IBM sold equipment that could do this,
John Allain wrote:
> Some more date/a:
> ""the first model of the first commercial modem," a box in which a phone
> handset could be placed, allowing a computer to say "beep beep" to
> another over long distances. Lee was almost right. He actually had the
> second model of the "magnetic/acoustic coupler," manufactured for
> Tymshare, Inc. by Climet Instruments about 1966"
> --
> http://membres.inforoots.org/dguardiola/Lee_Felsenstein/CMP-mails.htm
The Bell 103A modem was introduced in 1962. I suspect that it was the
first commercial modem.
The date that's harder to place is when the 103A was first used for
computer-to-computer data transfer, as opposed to teletype-to-teletype
or teletype-to-computer communication.
