test-drb May 2000

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Unix vs. VAX/VMS and Windows vs. Unix/Linux/BSD -- seems like we'veseenthis before

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>Getting W95C legally was difficult if you're not an OEM or buying it with >hardware. I'm going to look at 98lite20. I've been pretty pleased with >the performance on Win98. Simple, buy 95b and hit their site for hte upgrades. Most of them are for USB anyway. >Actually, I'm wondering if the FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 would run on some of >the new hardware. I've got a tape of it and I'm thinking about >building it. Likely it would but you'd have problems with hardware that is not supported as it didn't exist then. >> Which WPoffice? I have Caldara Openlinux 2.2 and 2.3 and WP8 is fine >> under KDE. Just has a huge footprint on teh disk though. > >Word Perfect Office 2000... It's huge (the full load of the Professional >version is around 340mb). I heard it was a monster. I know people that like WP-8 as it does things format wise that Word cant and it's very useful to lawyers for that. >The VT180 was one of the best CP/M machines to use. Typeahead, >good hardware, a great screen and the best keyboard. Just too expensive >for most people. Yep, it's a winner. I have several (plus gave away a bunch more over the years). It's a nice machine to hack as well. Mods I've done include 6mhz z80, two sided, 3.5" 781k/720k floppy and a romdisk/ramdisk. plus a bubble memory interface. The AmproLB is another really great CP/M engine with SCSI even. There were some later designs like the P112 (from OZ) with a 16mhz Z180 IDE and all the other goodies. Another favorite is the Micromint SB180 with the scsi/com card 9.6mhz 64180 (z180) 256k ram FDC that works with any 8/5.25/3.5 disk and a SCSI interface for hard disk. Kaypros are OK, the display software is slow but they run well especially if they have turborom installed. Allison

24 years, 2 months

Unix vs. VAX/VMS and Windows vs. Unix/Linux/BSD -- seems like we'veseen this before

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>But until the Vax is available at Intel prices and reliablity (the old >VS3100's and uVaxII's are getting a bit long in the tooth for joe >consumer -- and the disks are now creaky)... What disks creaky? They run with newer stuff. But no any os that has the VMS/Unix admin requirements is not consumer friendly anyway. Unix or VMS or even NT the aim is the same for someone like me. That is to get the user out of the core system where they have no business. Now the problem is that w9x et al has become pervasive any new OS one might introduce has to work and play well in that space, thats a PITA! Linux is ok, I've got Caldara OpenV2.3 and it's not faster than W95 and it uses just as much space, it aquired all the bloat win has. the advantage is it's got security. The down side is now you have a user that can't use word documents and excel spread sheets without conversion. Sharing files is easy if you fire up samba and try to explain "mounting" so someone that can nearly say CPU. Thats the problem with better. Allison

24 years, 2 months

HP 3000/925 available

by ss＠allegro.com

Re: > > Where is this located? The HP 3000/925 is in Houston, Texas. Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

24 years, 2 months

Update on what's still available

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Ok, what's left is: Dataram Corp. P03 LSI-11 Parity Controller Product Specification 1 HP700/92 + HP700/94 User's Manual Wang 2200 BASIC-2 Language Reference Manual (kinda beaten but complete) VMS 4.4 Volumes 1B, 5A, 7B, 8B, 8D, and 10A, complete except for the I/O reference, part I. I know for sure that I have more stuff to get rid of, when I've found another somewhat significant amount I'll let the list know. Also, I will make lists of the advertising stuff from DEC, Emulex, etc. for those who were interested. Also, just to clarify, I meant that either you could trade me something *or* it was free... And money is not accepted, I meant trade other computer-related items. ;p Will J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

24 years, 2 months

Unix vs. VAX/VMS and Windows vs. Unix/Linux/BSD -- seems like we'veseen this before

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>I can't forgive A.T. for the anti-assembly-language advocacy in his comp arch He he teaches it, when was he the author of commercial code? ;) >at once and then tries to draw conclusions. But if Minix is "free" now, that >must mean that at least he changed his mind about the bizarre licensing rules >he used to have. IIRC it was ~$100 for the book+code and you could install >"a few" copies, whatever that means. the licensing went from noncommercial personal use to a more open license (details on line). The book at about 60$, I got it and it's useful as was the cdrom( with V2.0). one of the other characters has a version that runs under dos and also a version with real VM support. Theres IP support too. It's good where small is desireable and swap (2.0) is not on the wish list. Allison

24 years, 2 months

Looking for LMI LISP Machines

by wvh＠gethip.com

Every few years I evaluate the holes in my workstation collection (http://www.city-net/~wvh/collection.html, not up to date) and inevitably find that I still have no LMI LISP machines. This list seems to be the perfect place to ask (1) if anyone has one (or more) or docs, software, or even just parts that they're willing to "part" with or (2) if anyone knows where any systems, software, or docs are lurking. It's been a long time since their "heyday" (Stallman honed his hacking skills on these boxes). I have working samples of most/all of the other classic LispMs (PERQs, TI Exploders, XEROX boxes, Symbolics) but alas, no LMIs. Can anyone help? Thanks! Bill

24 years, 2 months

Ford's '60s computer?

by mranalog＠home.com

Robert <pbboy(a)mindspring.com> said: > Does anyone know what computer Ford Motor Company used in the 1960's? > I've read that Shelby used a computer to find the proper location for, > among other things, the upper control arm on the '65 Mustang for his > GT350 and used one to help design most, if not all, of his other > creations' critical parts. I've searched IBM (must've been IBM!) and > Ford and came up with nothing. Although IBM's timeline has the 608 It sounds like you're asking what computer Caroll Shelby used? As I understand it Ford built the cars then they were modified at Shelby's company, Shelby American, in L.A. You might try asking the Los Angeles Shelby American Automobile Club,http://www.lasaac.org/ or ask at Carroll Shelby official web page,http://www.carrollshelby.com/ --Doug ==================================================== Doug Coward dcoward(a)pressstart.com (work) Sr. Software Eng. mranalog(a)home.com (home) Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Curator Analog Computer Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog ====================================================

24 years, 2 months

Lots o' stuff that I don't need, it's free too

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Hi all, In an effort to make room for other manuals, etc. I have the following extras/stuff I don't want available for the taking. Trades would be nice but don't feel obligated.. ;p Clinch/Peters/Small/Summerfield "Tailoring RT-11" Data General Corp. Nova Minicomputers Instruction Reference Card (x2) Dataram Corp. P03 LSI-11 Parity Controller Product Specification DEC Installing and Using the VT320 DEC playing cards, still in the plasic "Digital Know Networks!" DEC PDP-11 Architecture Handbook, 1983-1984 DEC PDP-11 Microcomputer Interfaces Handbook 1983-1984 DEC PDP-11 Programming Card (the July 1975 one) DEC Remote System Manager VMS User Reference Card DEC Terminals + Printers Handbook, 1983-1984 DEC US Systems Price List Oct. 1, 1988 DEC US Systems Price List July 2, 1990 DEC VAX Technical Summary (the original that's not a handbook and not from DECbooks, copyrighted 1982) Gill, Arthur "Machine and Assembly Language Programming of the PDP-11" Grisham, Ralph "Assembly Language Programming for the CDC 6000 Series" Hewlett-Packard HP-16C Owner's Handbook Hewlett-Packard HP700/92 + HP700/94 User's Manual (2 copies) Hewlett-Packard HP7475A Graphics Plotter Interfacing + Programming Manual Hewlett-Packard HP7475A Graphics Plotter Operation and Interconnection Manual IBM 8130 and 8140 Processors Operator's Guide MDB MLSI-DLV11 Instruction Manual Wang 2200 BASIC-2 Language Reference Manual (kinda beaten but complete) VMS 4.4 Volumes 1B, 5A, 7B, 8B, 8D, and 10A, complete except for the I/O reference, part I. Also VMS 5.5 on TK50, with about 8 or 9 VMS manuals And I dunno if anyone besides me has any interest in old sales materials, but I have a bunch of extra DEC/Emulex/Wyse sales info if anyone is interested let me know and I'll get more details. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

24 years, 2 months

What a weekend!

by allisonp＠world.std.com

>> > Even got parts from a lunar lander... >> What? Name 'em! > > Part of the RADAR altimeter and a spare hatch. Parts of the flight computer would be a catch! Even those of the Shuttle. While I'm not actively trying to get more there are some things out there on my "Oh, don't pass that one up" list. Minuteman missle computer. An old disk machine with serial electronics and all transistor. It was my intro to real touch it hardware some 28 years ago. Cincinatti Millichron CM2xxxx series 16bit computer CA1973ish (anyone but me ever see one?) Allison

24 years, 2 months

Info on how to get digest version

by SWMORETP＠aol.com

Does anyone know how to get the digest version of this group instead of single e-mails? Tony

24 years, 2 months

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