At 07:45 PM 3/15/99 -0800, Sellam Ismail wrote:
>>
>> Well, Micros~1 assures us that they have a stable server operating
> ^^^^^^^^
>
>Didn't anyone else realize how clever that was? :)
Well, actually it should be "MICROS~1".
- John
> Bruce Lane wrote:
>
>> That has got to be the DUMBest idea I've seen come along in years!
>>
>
> Let us know what you find out. I hope that "kilobyte" won't become one of
> those words that instantly marks their users as classic-computer freaks.
> I know jargon changes, but I don't want it to change in this case.
>
> -- Derek
Here's one (slightly outdated) reference - but no question, it's not a joke.
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
A couple of days ago I published a list of mass storage controllers I've got available. It turns out I have documents to go with the following.
MSC (later called XEBEC) 9305 GPIB-ST506 HDC for 1 drive.
MSC (later called XEBEC) 9391 S-100-ST506 HDC for 2 drives on double height S-100 board
XCOMP S-100 HDC for 8" (SA1000-Series) drives. Two board set called "STS"
INTEL iSBC 215 "Universal" Fixed Disk Controller with on-board 8089 intelligent I/O controller
the remainder are still without documents.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon <museum(a)techniche.com>
>How come you're not play with your ***2*** brand new
>Sym-1's instead ???
Who said I wasn't? ;)
<together. A group known as =93The Blue Ribbon Committee=94 included three
<hardware engineers -- Bill Strecker, Richie Lary, and Steve Rothman --
<and three software engineers -- Dave Cutler, Dick Hustvedt, and Peter
< Lipman. They simplified early designs and created a plan that would be
< possible to execute. The fifth design evolution was perfected and accepted
<in April of 1976, exactly one year after the design work began."=
<
<So I guess Dave Cutler was there from the beginning of VMS development.
Never said he wan't there... His pride and joy was RSX-11, which was the
foundation for the VMS filesystem. Wats forgotten is the VMS was originally
loaded with 16bit code mostly for the utilities but some in the core. this
was part of the roll out as the VAX-11/780 could execute PDP-11 code
directly.
The blue ribbon committe was comprized of chief and principle engineers
and while they spec'ed the whole project and planned a great deal they
didn't "write all the code". It was a far larger organization that did
that. Same was true for hardware. By the early '80s the design of the
VAX and VMS was reduced to a DEC STD... n All vaxen were based off that
as was VMS.
Allison
"Thus, the Commission will use kibi, mebi, gibi, tebi, pebi and exbi ..."
Sam: Commission members should be "beaten" with a crowbar!
Jim: If it ISN'T a joke, GOD save us all!
Geoff: It seems more like the joke which the late Frank Zappa
played upon his childred, by naming them Dwezel, Moon,
and Ahmet.
Given the propensity of "commissions" to fowl all things up, I would
not be surprised to find that this is for real, as in some kind of
suggestion, to be hashed-out by means of the common Request
For Comments (or RFC). We are all certain to agree that the real
problem with using kilo, etc. is the ignorance of the public,
especially those in the US. For instance, only the physics and
chemistry communities in the US understand the SI (the metric
system), and so, only they can intelligently translate from base
ten to base two arithmetic. This is not to suggest that all such
persons actually do such translations: only that they alone in the
US are so capable. Second is the tendency for manufacturers
to do such translations for the purposes of marketing. That is
why so many hard disk drives are touted as having 10.8GB of
available storage, instead of 10.0GB. That is, 10.8GB base ten
as opposed to 10.0GB base two. It makes the disk drive look
larger than it really is, at least to the purchasing public. You see,
this was not always the case. In the past, all such references
were base two. However, if you translate to base ten, while your
competition remained base two, then your products appeared
to provide a bigger store for the buck.
Clearly, it should be possible for the "commission" to find better,
more distictive, and easier to pronounce alternatives.
Chuck: Is it possible for you to provide more information as to
the identities of the "commission" members?
William R. Buckley
Hello All,
At 08:06 PM 3/16/99 -0800, Jason Willgruber <roblwill(a)usaor.net> wrote:
>O.K. I found that. There's still the conflict of wether it is RLL or MFM,
>though. I guess I'll try it with the RLL controller that I have...
I thought there was no such thing as a MFM or RLL *drive*. I thought that
you only had MFM or RLL *controllers*. The important thing on the hard
drive was the *interface* (in the case of the MiniScribe 3438, a
ST412/ST506 interface).
I seem to have a dim memory of RLL controllers being sold as a way to
increase (double?) your disk space.
As I remember, RLL controllers were much more fussy about cable length and
media quality than MFM controllers, which meant that they didn't work all
that well with cheap hard drives.
Of course, I could be completely wrong...
Regards,
| Scott McLauchlan |"Sometimes the need to mess with their heads |
| Client Services Division| outweighs the millstone of humiliation." |
| University of Canberra |___________Fox_Mulder_"The_X-Files:_Squeeze"_|
|scott(a)cts.canberra.edu.au| http://www.canberra.edu.au/~scott/home.html |
Well, I finally picked up that HP 85 today, it's in remarkably good
nick, the problem everyone here has mentioned about the rubber roller -
no problem, it's in perfect order (probably got something to do with
Tassie's frigid weather). Came with two cartridges plugged into the
back:
82903A 16k memory module
82936A rom drawer - on this, two "drawers" occupied - 0085-15004 MATRIX
& 0085-15-005 ADVANCED PGRM
Unfortunately, no tapes or manuals.... will see what I can find
manual-wise on the World Wide wait.
But can someone tell me what sort of tape the thing uses ?
And secondly, to ease my withdrawal symptoms having bought no Commodore
stuff for at least two weeks <grin> A Commodore PC5 (my first PC was
one of these), yet another 128D & three MPS 803 printers..... got my
Commie fix for the week, so I should be able to make it through until
next payday :-)
cheers,
Lance
I don't have a date on it. The only thing that I really know about it is
that it was pulled from a "TURBO-XT", manufactured by Wibles Computer
Corporation. The drive has a sticker on it that says
COMPUTRS, INC. (not a typo)
201-492-1229
2736 (this is stamped on)
REMOVAL VOIDS WARRANTY
The XT was probably from around 85-89. It is identical to an IBM XT (even
has an IBM branded floppy), other than the badge saying "IBM" on the front,
it says "WIBLES".
--
-Jason Willgruber
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#: 1730318
<http://members.tripod.com/general_1>
-----Original Message-----
From: cdrmool(a)interlog.com <cdrmool(a)interlog.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: MiniScribe 3438 --- HELLLP!!!!
>
>Jason, the only thing I can find off hand states that the 3438 was a) a
>32.7mg drive. 615 cyls, 4 heads, 26 sectors, b)that it is a 32mg ST-506
>RLL and that it was 612 cyls(!!!). The former was from Mueller's
>"Upgrading and Repairing PC's" and the latter was from Minasi's "PC Upgrade
>and Maintenance Guide".
>Nothing on jumper settings. Do you have a date on the drive? That might
>help me dig through my pile O' stuff.
>
>Colan
>
>
>At 05:36 PM 3/16/99 -0800, Jason Willgruber wrote:
>> Does anyone on this vast earth know the jumper settings for a
MiniScribe
>>3438 hard drive???
>>
>>I've searched EVERYWHERE, and found the following:
>>
>>- It is either MFM or RLL
>>- It is either 32 or 22 MB
>>- It is either 5.25 HH or 3.5" FH.
>>
>>Of the sites I've found, one says that it's RLL, another says it's MFM.
>>Another site says it's both. Between the sites, one said it was 22 MB,
the
>>other two said 32. One of the sites said that it was a 5.25" HH drive,
and
>>the last said that it was a FH 3.5" (is there even such a thing?).
>>
>>Other than the fact that it's 5.25" HH, I know NOTHING (useful) about this
>>drive. The jumper settings seem to have vanished, along with the physical
>>drive specs.
>>
>>Help!....
>>--
>> -Jason Willgruber
>> (roblwill(a)usaor.net)
>> ICQ#: 1730318
>><http://members.tripod.com/general_1>
>>
>>
>>
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