5 Jan
2020
5 Jan
'20
3:12 p.m.
On Jan 5, 2020, at 7:02 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Sun *did* do a full port of OpenStep to Solaris, but
while I know
people who saw it, I am not sure if it got a full commercial release.
Not quite! Sun was a participant in creating the OpenStep standard (the NS class prefix
stands for ?NeXT/Sun?) and *created their own implementation* of OpenStep for Solaris.
(Just as GNUstep is an independent implementation of the OpenStep spec under the FSF
umbrella, and OPENSTEP/Mach and OPENSTEP/Enterprise were NeXT?s implementations.)
OpenStep Solaris was released, both the user and developer environment, and you should be
able to find them today and install them on Solaris 2.5 or later. I think OpenStep will
run on everything through Solaris 7 or Solaris 8, but at some point it stopped working
because it required Display PostScript in the window server.
Sun also bought a number of NeXTstep software houses,
including
Lighthouse, but didn't release the code.
Indeed, that was post-OpenStep; they weren?t buying companies like Lighthouse to get a
suite of applications for OpenStep Solaris, they were buying them to port their stuff to
Java (since Java was based rather heavily on Objective-C, and some aspects of the Java
frameworks? designs on OpenStep).
? Chris
5 Jan
5 Jan
3:22 p.m.
On 1/5/20 3:12 PM, Chris Hanson via cctalk wrote:
Lighthouse was also the source for the Sun CEO who gets a lot of blame
for the fall of Sun.
alan
On Jan 5, 2020, at 7:02 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I demoed OpenStep Solaris on top of CDE in my last exhibit at VCF PNW.
It could be awkward trying to figure out where to look for application's
menu. Just to make things extra ugly, I ran MAE (Macintosh Application
Environment) at the same time.
I also have a SPARCstation 5 running OPENSTEP/Mach on SPARC.
Sun *did* do a full port of OpenStep to Solaris,
but while I know
people who saw it, I am not sure if it got a full commercial release.
Not quite! Sun was a participant in creating the OpenStep standard (the NS class prefix
stands for ?NeXT/Sun?) and *created their own implementation* of OpenStep for Solaris.
(Just as GNUstep is an independent implementation of the OpenStep spec under the FSF
umbrella, and OPENSTEP/Mach and OPENSTEP/Enterprise were NeXT?s implementations.)
OpenStep Solaris was released, both the user and developer environment, and you should be
able to find them today and install them on Solaris 2.5 or later. I think OpenStep will
run on everything through Solaris 7 or Solaris 8, but at some point it stopped working
because it required Display PostScript in the window server. Sun also bought a number of NeXTstep software
houses, including
Lighthouse, but didn't release the code.
Indeed, that was post-OpenStep; they weren?t buying companies like Lighthouse to get a
suite of applications for OpenStep Solaris, they were buying them to port their stuff to
Java (since Java was based rather heavily on Objective-C, and some aspects of the Java
frameworks? designs on OpenStep).
6 Jan
6 Jan
3:52 a.m.
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 00:12, Chris Hanson <cmhanson at eschatologist.net> wrote:
Not quite! Sun was a participant in creating the OpenStep standard (the NS class prefix
stands for ?NeXT/Sun?) and *created their own implementation* of OpenStep for Solaris.
(Just as GNUstep is an independent implementation of the OpenStep spec under the FSF
umbrella, and OPENSTEP/Mach and OPENSTEP/Enterprise were NeXT?s implementations.)
OpenStep Solaris was released, both the user and developer environment, and you should be
able to find them today and install them on Solaris 2.5 or later. I think OpenStep will
run on everything through Solaris 7 or Solaris 8, but at some point it stopped working
because it required Display PostScript in the window server.
Fascinating stuff -- thanks for the clarification!
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Sun also bought a number of NeXTstep software
houses, including
Lighthouse, but didn't release the code.
Indeed, that was post-OpenStep; they weren?t buying companies like Lighthouse to get a
suite of applications for OpenStep Solaris, they were buying them to port their stuff to
Java (since Java was based rather heavily on Objective-C, and some aspects of the Java
frameworks? designs on OpenStep).
3:53 a.m.
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 00:22, Alan Perry via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I demoed OpenStep Solaris on top of CDE in my last exhibit at VCF PNW.
It could be awkward trying to figure out where to look for application's
menu. Just to make things extra ugly, I ran MAE (Macintosh Application
Environment) at the same time.
I also have a SPARCstation 5 running OPENSTEP/Mach on SPARC.
Any screeenshot galleries or better still videos anywhere?
I live on a different continent from the one that most VCFs happen on,
and have no desire to change.
Lighthouse was also the source for the Sun CEO who
gets a lot of blame
for the fall of Sun.
Well well. TIL.
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7:40 a.m.
On Jan 6, 2020, at 06:55, Liam Proven via cctech
<cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
?On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 00:22, Alan Perry via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I didn?t shoot any nor have I seen and I haven?t seen any shot by someone else. I still
have the system with all that software installed and could recreate the demo and shoot
some video of it if you are interested.
alan
I demoed OpenStep Solaris on top of CDE in my last exhibit at VCF PNW.
It could be awkward trying to figure out where to look for application's
menu. Just to make things extra ugly, I ran MAE (Macintosh Application
Environment) at the same time.
I also have a SPARCstation 5 running OPENSTEP/Mach on SPARC.
Any screeenshot galleries or better still videos anywhere?
9:24 p.m.
On 1/6/20 3:53 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 00:22, Alan Perry via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I found this photo that I took -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZjYMdZZrIygvsQas9b40QWW7uNxMeD1V/view?usp=…
alan
I demoed OpenStep Solaris on top of CDE in my last exhibit at VCF PNW.
It could be awkward trying to figure out where to look for application's
menu. Just to make things extra ugly, I ran MAE (Macintosh Application
Environment) at the same time.
I also have a SPARCstation 5 running OPENSTEP/Mach on SPARC.
Any screeenshot galleries or better still videos anywhere?
I live on a different continent from the one that most VCFs happen on,
and have no desire to change.
Lighthouse was also the source for the Sun CEO
who gets a lot of blame
for the fall of Sun.
Well well. TIL.
7 Jan
7 Jan
1:20 a.m.
On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 at 06:25, Alan Perry via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 1/6/20 3:53 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
Oh my. That is not what I was expecting.
So, Motif, CDE _and_ OpenStep, with a bonus MAE window?
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Any screeenshot galleries or better still videos
anywhere?
I found this photo that I took -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZjYMdZZrIygvsQas9b40QWW7uNxMeD1V/view?usp=…
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