30 Mar
2020
30 Mar
'20
7:58 a.m.
Haven't given up on DIBOL. May try installing the RT-11 version and
see if it runs.
But now another language of interest has reared its ugly head. :-)
Anybody have an image of the tape for APL-11? Manual claims it
runs on all of the PDP-11 OSes and it is another language from
my past that I haven't touched (other than to read some programs
out of curiosity) in more than two decades.
I have the source to something called APL-11 for Unix but it is
not the same thing. Actually, not even close. :-)
Would love to see a few pointers.
Oh, and in case anyone is curious about my endeavors....
The SIMH system I am using now is based on the 11/70 and was built
with only 2M of memory. Why you would do that under SIMH where there
is really no memory constraint at all, I can not fathom. I used to
have a bunch of 11/44's and that has been my favorite since my original
11/24 system died long, long ago./ I am going to configure a SIMH
System using the 11/44 as my model and then reinstall everything in
order to have a really good system for playing with this stuff.
Sure wish there was a way to find some of the third party stuff from
the sourcebooks. A lot of nice software that should have been saved
for historical reasons, if nothing else, has been lost.
bill
30 Mar
30 Mar
8:07 a.m.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:58:46AM -0400, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
Haven't given up on DIBOL. May try installing the RT-11 version and
see if it runs.
But now another language of interest has reared its ugly head. :-)
Anybody have an image of the tape for APL-11? Manual claims it
runs on all of the PDP-11 OSes and it is another language from
my past that I haven't touched (other than to read some programs
out of curiosity) in more than two decades.
Oh neat! Be sure you have the special keyboard and character set for it!
e.g. just overlays for the keyboard.
I remember interfacing our universities APL interpreter with some glue assembler
to the file system adding a new T bar. ;)
Sure wish there was a way to find some of the third party stuff from
the sourcebooks. A lot of nice software that should have been saved
for historical reasons, if nothing else, has been lost.
:-(
bill
Diane
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9:06 a.m.
On 3/30/20 11:07 AM, Diane Bruce wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:58:46AM -0400, Bill
Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
Actually, it supports using a standard ASCII keyboard as well as
Tek 4013 terminals. I used other APL systems that did likewise,
usually by using di-graphs.
bill
Haven't given up on DIBOL. May try installing the RT-11 version and
see if it runs.
But now another language of interest has reared its ugly head. :-)
Anybody have an image of the tape for APL-11? Manual claims it
runs on all of the PDP-11 OSes and it is another language from
my past that I haven't touched (other than to read some programs
out of curiosity) in more than two decades.
Oh neat! Be sure you have the special keyboard and character set for it!
e.g. just overlays for the keyboard. 
9:24 a.m.
On Mon, 2020-03-30 at 11:07 -0400, Diane Bruce via cctalk wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:58:46AM -0400, Bill
Gunshannon via cctalk
wrote:
I have a DEC Writer III with the APL character set ROM and the APL
keyboard! Just need to hook it up to something that has APL on it
and will generate the correct character sequences. ;-)
TTFN - Guy
Haven't given up on DIBOL. May try installing the RT-11 version
and
see if it runs.
But now another language of interest has reared its ugly head. :-)
Anybody have an image of the tape for APL-11? Manual claims it
runs on all of the PDP-11 OSes and it is another language from
my past that I haven't touched (other than to read some programs
out of curiosity) in more than two decades.
Oh neat! Be sure you have the special keyboard and character set for
it!
e.g. just overlays for the keyboard. 
9:34 a.m.
On 3/30/20 7:58 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
Anybody have an image of the tape for APL-11?
APL-11 was released through DECUS. Here is the RSX-11 version
http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RSX-11/freeware/decus/rsx85a/370360/
10:38 a.m.
On 3/30/20 12:34 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
On 3/30/20 7:58 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
Unfortunately, that appears to be yet a third version of APL using the
name APL-11. According to the documentatio it will only run on RSX.
The one I am looking for was written for DEC by OMSI and will run on
all three OSes. It also appears to be more feature rich and supports
ASCII as well as APL terminals.
I am saddened more every day as I discover more and more of our history
that has been lost.
bill
Anybody have an image of the tape for APL-11?
APL-11 was released through DECUS. Here is the RSX-11 version
http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RSX-11/freeware/decus/rsx85a/370360/ 
11:22 a.m.
On Mar 30, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Bill Gunshannon via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 3/30/20 12:34 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
Has anyone ever figured out what happened to all the OMSI software? The more I learn, the
more I?m amazed. I?d love to know where in their old building they had PDP-11?s
squirreled away. I spent a lot of time there in the 70?s and early 80?s, yet never
realized they were doing all this. The software I?d really love to get access to is their
graphical version of Wumpus.
Zane
On 3/30/20 7:58 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
wrote:
Unfortunately, that appears to be yet a third version of APL using the
name APL-11. According to the documentatio it will only run on RSX.
The one I am looking for was written for DEC by OMSI and will run on
all three OSes. It also appears to be more feature rich and supports
ASCII as well as APL terminals.
I am saddened more every day as I discover more and more of our history
that has been lost.
bill Anybody have an image of the tape for APL-11?
APL-11 was released through DECUS. Here is the RSX-11 version
http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RSX-11/freeware/decus/rsx85a/370360/ 
12:49 p.m.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:24 AM Guy Sotomayor via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I have a DEC Writer III with the APL character set ROM
and the APL
keyboard! Just need to hook it up to something that has APL on it
and will generate the correct character sequences. ;-)
Cool! When you get a chance, could you please dump the DECwriter III ROMs?
1:05 p.m.
I don't have an easy way to dump the ROMs at the moment.
TTFN - Guy
On Mon, 2020-03-30 at 13:49 -0600, Eric Smith wrote:
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:24 AM Guy Sotomayor via
cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I have a DEC Writer III with the APL character
set ROM and the APL
keyboard! Just need to hook it up to something that has APL on it
and will generate the correct character sequences. ;-)
Cool! When you get a chance, could you please dump the DECwriter III
ROMs?
3:26 p.m.
On 3/30/20 2:22 PM, Zane Healy wrote:
Somewhere around here I have OMSI Pascal. I think I may even
still have the documentation. Didn't know what other languages
they did til I read the docs on APL-11 and saw that DEC had
contracted them to create it.
Don't imagine there is much chance of Mary Erichsen being around.
She was the contact listed for Pascal-2 from them in the Sourcebook.
bill
On Mar 30, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Bill Gunshannon via
cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 3/30/20 12:34 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
Has anyone ever figured out what happened to all the OMSI software? The more I learn,
the more I?m amazed. I?d love to know where in their old building they had PDP-11?s
squirreled away. I spent a lot of time there in the 70?s and early 80?s, yet never
realized they were doing all this. The software I?d really love to get access to is their
graphical version of Wumpus.
On 3/30/20 7:58 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
wrote:
Unfortunately, that appears to be yet a third version of APL using the
name APL-11. According to the documentatio it will only run on RSX.
The one I am looking for was written for DEC by OMSI and will run on
all three OSes. It also appears to be more feature rich and supports
ASCII as well as APL terminals.
I am saddened more every day as I discover more and more of our history
that has been lost.
bill Anybody have an image of the tape for APL-11?
APL-11 was released through DECUS. Here is the RSX-11 version
http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RSX-11/freeware/decus/rsx85a/370360/
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