I was at a Comdex once in Chicago where the featured speaker was Bill Gates and he said that Microsoft would never write a program that needed more than 256K of memory. A few years later, Microsoft Exchange Server required a minimum of 256MB of memory to run. Just for comparison my new laptop has 128GB of memory. Let's not write better code, lets just add more memory and faster processors  <- Microsoft Programmers Mantra😕

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 12:02 PM ben via cctalk &lt;cctalk(a)classiccmp.org&gt; wrote: Completely silly. You can maybe group Jobs and Gates together in terms of programming skill, but where as Jobs stole ideas from others he at least did so with class. Olsen maybe made dumb predictions but at least his products worked well. And St. Woz shall not be impugned with such blasphemous associations. Sellam

On 2023-06-16 1:40 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: What cpu? Minix was 16 bit code only. I suspect 16 bit code here as well. Remember 32 bit code is 2x the size of 16 bit stuff. Ben.

Are you, like, trying to play the list for laughs, with this kind of comment? ok bear.

On Fri, 16 Jun 2023, ben via cctalk wrote: 64 bit code is slightly larger than the same code for 32 bit, which is slightly larger than the same code for 16 bit, which is slightly larger than the same code for 8 bit. But, it ISN'T the same code. The programmer is told to rewrite it, and given twice as much space to put it in. That is what you see twice the size. Moore's law was about the doubling of transistors, and indirectly about doubling of capacity and speed. After his death, are there any efforts to repeal it, or at least not enforce it? Boyle's law is that the software will expand to fill all available memory and storage, and a little more. MICROS~1 technique for dealing with performance problems is to throw hardware at it. They are certainly not unique. MICROS~1 technique for dealing with performance complaints is to blame inadequacy of the user and their hardware. "You are running it on WHAT?? That hardware has been obsolete for MONTHS! I'm surprised that it would even fit!" On an 8 bit system, with 64K or less of RAM, a word processor would load one or two pages at a time into RAM. If you scrolled, it would fetch other pages as needed from disk. Document size was limited by disk capacity. With 640K of RAM,we got word processors that kept the entire document in RAM, and abandoned the technique of paging in portions of the documant as needed. Thus there was a smaller limit on document size. I used to give some of my students an asssignment of writing a program to sort a database that was too large to fit the whole thing in memory at one time. A few insisted that the ONLY answer was to get more memory. So, each new "generation" is larger, but the software depends on that, and won't even run on the previous generation of hardware. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com

On 2023-06-16 4:56 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Was that quote written for version #1. At risk of being a troll, when did Unix (PDP 11) not have all the the above. Other than TCP/IP networking, I don't see any of above features desirable, as I feel a need for more real time operating systems. How many OS's are complete in design that you don't need to bypass the OS like MS DOS. Ben.

On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 at 10:31, Paul Koning via cctalk &lt;cctalk(a)classiccmp.org&gt; wrote: Later versions of 2.9BSD had TCP/IP though the hardware support was pretty limited. And you could probably use the present tense for 2.11BSD, it's still getting patches. -Henry

On Sat, Jun 17, 2023, 10:38 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk(a)classiccmp.org&gt; wrote: I believe the Ultrix 11 had the bsd 2.10 tcp code in it... it had a lot of Berkeley code in it... Warner bill

Somewhat earlier, the complete source for the RSTS-11 timesharing system fit on 5 DECtapes, 1.5 MB. And that was assembly language, exhaustively commented. paul

On 2023-06-16 2:12 p.m., Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: I think the hint is to send 5 BLANK DEC tapes. Ben.