VCF Ban, Vector Graphic cards, Wright card punch, MDS Keyboard

[Tothwolf]

[Yes, I'm top-posting after re-threading...unusual for me, that's for 
certain, but this isn't the sort of thing I'd normally post and I want my 
response to this up top.]

Mr. Brutman,

This thread was pretty well over and done with until your post below. Your 
reply is in no way helpful, nor can it be taken as any sort of "peace 
offering" with regards to the long-running feud between yourself and Mr. 
Stein. I am also not about to allow your comment of "There are people 
writing me notes of encouragement too." to stand.

To clarify for others unaware, knowing both parties involved, I contacted 
both privately earlier last week and heard both "sides" of the story.

As far as I'm concerned, neither of you are blameless. You both have a 
history of goading at each other and the forum link below and many other 
public exchanges between the two of you make that quite clear. Heck, the 
emails I received independently from the both of you try quite hard to 
manipulate the facts and paint yourselves as being victims of each other.

Mr. Stein, you had to know you were going to piss Mr. Brutman off again 
with that last forum exchange and get him to ban you. Mr. Brutman, you had 
to know banning Mr. Stein was only going to cause this to flare up again. 
Neither of you are victims and neither of you are blameless.

As I've previously mentioned to both of you, the two of you either need to 
hash this out and squash it, or you need to ignore each other 
completely...don't reply to, acknowledge, or even read each others' posts, 
pretend the other party doesn't even exist.

While I think it would probably be better if you both could settle your 
differences, if there is an inherent personality conflict, the two of you 
may have to just settle for ignoring each other completely.

Stop squabbling like a couple of children. [Mooooommmmy, so-and-so put 
bugs in my hair!] You are both grown ass men...settle this and act like 
it.


On Sun, 3 May 2015, Michael Brutman wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Mike Stein <mhs.stein at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As some of you know, Mike Brutman recently kicked me off Erik Klein's 
>> excellent Vintage Computer Forum, for no reason other than Mike's ego 
>> and the chip on his shoulder as far as I and the folks who wrote me 
>> unsolicited notes of support can tell:
>>
>> http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?45454-5162-serial-port-9600bps-interlink-use-xcopy-with-v
>>
>> Apparently some folks also wrote to Erik on my behalf, but he's chosen 
>> to not reply...
>>
>> Be that as it may and aside from the embarrassment and Mike's insults, 
>> no problem; more time to spend elsewhere and an excuse to finally get 
>> rid of the PC-related systems, motherboards, cards, disks & drives, 
>> docs etc. that I've been hanging on to for close to 40 years in case 
>> someone might need/want something some day.
>>
>> But being cut off arbitrarily and without warning or recourse from my 
>> contacts and email archive at VCF might affect some other folks; among 
>> other things, I have here, boxed and ready for shipping to someone on 
>> VCF but no idea to whom, the following items:
>
>
> Not to add too much to the drama but I don't think this should go unsaid:
>
> 1. It saddens me that part of your hobby is being ruined for you.  You know
> what?  It saddens other people that you are ruining things for them too.
> So stop with the constant nitpicking and snark, especially when replying to
> people you already "have a history" with, and things like this won't
> happen.  Nobody is winning here.
>
> 2. The history is much longer and much deeper than the referenced thread.
> Pointing out the tip of the iceberg and commenting on how that should not
> have sunk a ship is deceptive.  This history goes back four years and it
> involves a few other members too.  The cycle of flare-up, bans,
> discussions, and un-bans has gotten old.  And none of it has been done in a
> vacuum - Erik is usually involved.
>
> 3. You consider my behavior insulting?  I consider your behavior insulting
> too.  There are people writing me notes of encouragement too.  None of this
> means anything.
>
> 4. I've contacted Erik (again) to have him make a decision.  He is not
> responding, so I assume he is attending to real life.  Want back in?  Fine,
> let's talk in private - mbbrutman at gmail.com.  Or wait for Erik.