29 Jan
2024
29 Jan
'24
8:07 p.m.
Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least occasionally? If so, what
make/model/config?
Bill
29 Jan
29 Jan
8:44 p.m.
On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 at 23:07, Bill Degnan via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least
occasionally? If so, what
make/model/config?
Bill
Do you mean use as in collect and keep in working condition, or as in run
for productivity?
-Henry
30 Jan
30 Jan
9:09 a.m.
On 1/29/24 22:07, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least
occasionally? If so, what
make/model/config?
We have a Weiner VME system, specifically designed for
nuclear data acquisition.
I have a couple other VME crates with power supplies we use
for the same purpose. We now use the Jtec XLM module, which
is an FPGA and memory set up to scan VME devices like ADCs,
and packetize the data to send out on a USB. So, at that
end, there is NO CPU.
Jon
4:48 p.m.
On 1/30/24 11:09, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
On 1/29/24 22:07, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
> Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least
> occasionally? If so, what
> make/model/config?
Oh, also my Samsung-made pick and place machine has a 68020
to run the motion system, and a PC that runs the GUI, they
are connected by a dual-port memory interface from the PC's
ISA bus. The 68K connects to all the motion and vision cards
over VME.
Jon
2:30 p.m.
I was given a Sun 3/260 that had been sitting in an open barn for a decade. It is a
12-slot, 9U VME system. I got it running with its CPU board (25Mhz 68020) and a Sun 32M
memory board (the 8M board it came with has a h/w issue).
After that people started giving me Sun VME stuff. That includes a Computervision
Sun3-based (so VME) CADDS Station that I need to get working at some point.
alan
On Jan 29, 2024, at 20:07, Bill Degnan via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least occasionally? If so, what
make/model/config?
Bill
3:03 p.m.
Oh yeah, that reminds me, I have a Sun 4/110. Never really thought
much about it being a VME system, such as a Motorola MVME system. I
can't say I use the Sun 4/110 at least occasionally. I don't remember
the last time I powered it on. I suppose I should see if it still
boots up sometime.
On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 2:30 PM Alan Perry via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I was given a Sun 3/260 that had been sitting in an open barn for a decade. It is a
12-slot, 9U VME system. I got it running with its CPU board (25Mhz 68020) and a Sun 32M
memory board (the 8M board it came with has a h/w issue).
After that people started giving me Sun VME stuff. That includes a Computervision
Sun3-based (so VME) CADDS Station that I need to get working at some point.
alan
> On Jan 29, 2024, at 20:07, Bill Degnan via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
>
> Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least occasionally? If so, what
> make/model/config?
> Bill
3:25 p.m.
thanks. I suppose that gives me enough idea what time period and use they
had
Bill
On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 6:04 PM Glen Slick via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Oh yeah, that reminds me, I have a Sun 4/110. Never
really thought
much about it being a VME system, such as a Motorola MVME system. I
can't say I use the Sun 4/110 at least occasionally. I don't remember
the last time I powered it on. I suppose I should see if it still
boots up sometime.
On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 2:30 PM Alan Perry via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I was given a Sun 3/260 that had been sitting in an open barn for a
decade. It is a 12-slot, 9U VME system. I got it running with its CPU board
(25Mhz 68020) and a Sun 32M memory board (the 8M board it came with has a
h/w issue).
After that people started giving me Sun VME stuff. That includes a
Computervision Sun3-based (so VME) CADDS Station that I need to get working
at some point.
alan
> On Jan 29, 2024, at 20:07, Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least occasionally? If so,
what
> make/model/config?
> Bill
3:48 p.m.
On Jan 30, 2024, at 3:25 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
thanks. I suppose that gives me enough idea what time period and use they
had
VMEbus was widely used as a successor to MultiBus in the workstation market, a lot of
vendors that started with MultiBus (Sun/SGI for example) switched to VME because they were
using 68K anyway and it a supported full 32-bit address and data space, where MultiBus was
mostly designed for 8080/8085/8086 (and even 8086 required some extension to support
16-bit data bus width and 20-bit address space).
The biggest uses of VMEbus though were in laboratory automation, process control, and
robotics, where it was in competition with both MultiBus and DIO[1] (the bus on the HP
9000-200 and 9000-300 series, which were originally designed as successors to the HP
1000/21MX/2100 series). That's why you'll see a lot of analog and digital I/O
hardware, computer vision systems, motor controllers, and so on in the VMEbus 3U and 6U
form factors. This is also what got VMEbus used in a lot of American defense applications.
-- Chris
4:34 p.m.
On Jan 30, 2024, at 6:48 PM, Chris Hanson via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Jan 30, 2024, at 3:25 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
There's also VXIbus, which is VMEbus with some extensions and packaging standards for
instrumentation modules. It seems to be still alive and well today.
paul
thanks. I suppose that gives me enough idea what time period and use they
had
VMEbus was widely used as a successor to MultiBus in the workstation market, a lot of
vendors that started with MultiBus (Sun/SGI for example) switched to VME because they were
using 68K anyway and it a supported full 32-bit address and data space, where MultiBus was
mostly designed for 8080/8085/8086 (and even 8086 required some extension to support
16-bit data bus width and 20-bit address space).
The biggest uses of VMEbus though were in laboratory automation, process control, and
robotics, where it was in competition with both MultiBus and DIO[1] (the bus on the HP
9000-200 and 9000-300 series, which were originally designed as successors to the HP
1000/21MX/2100 series). That's why you'll see a lot of analog and digital I/O
hardware, computer vision systems, motor controllers, and so on in the VMEbus 3U and 6U
form factors. This is also what got VMEbus used in a lot of American defense applications.
7:35 p.m.
On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 4:34 PM Paul Koning via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
There's also VXIbus, which is VMEbus with some extensions and packaging standards for
instrumentation modules. It seems to be still alive and well today.
I have a couple of PA-RISC based HP/Agilent V743/64 (E1497A) and
V743/100 (E1498A) single-slot, C-size VXI embedded computers. You can
run standard HP-UX on them and control VXI instrument modules
installed in the same VXI mainframe.
I also have a couple of 68000 based HP/Agilent E1406A VXI GPIB Command
Modules, which provide a GPIB controller interface to VXI instrument
modules installed in the same VXI mainframe. The versions I have can
also run Instrument Basic on the E1406A as a standalone controller
with a terminal interface attached to the E1406A serial port.
Plus also a couple of X86 based Radisys EPC-5 or EPC-7 VXI CPU
modules. I forget what versions those are. I haven't touched those in
around 20 years, and forget why I have those.
10:36 p.m.
On 01/30/2024 9:35 PM CST Glen Slick via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I have a couple of PA-RISC based HP/Agilent V743/64 (E1497A) and
V743/100 (E1498A) single-slot, C-size VXI embedded computers.
OMFG I thought *my* co-design of a Sparc VMEbus board was rare/obscure.
mcl
11:27 p.m.
I've been running a VME chassis with 3 boards for several years: MVME172,
MVME177 and GE VME7671
They are still kicking!
On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 8:36 AM Mark Linimon via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 01/30/2024
9:35 PM CST Glen Slick via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I have a couple of PA-RISC based HP/Agilent
V743/64 (E1497A) and
V743/100 (E1498A) single-slot, C-size VXI embedded computers.
OMFG I thought *my* co-design of a Sparc VMEbus board was rare/obscure.
mcl
11:31 p.m.
New subject: A little help please
Could someone kindly delete me from this list..
The mailing list software says it does not know me and yet I am getting emails :)
Thanks
K.
Ps: appreciate the help.
31 Jan
31 Jan
3:49 p.m.
New subject: A little help please
Hi Kevin,
Often that is because you signed up using an old email that is forwarded to
your current email - Have a look at the message headers to see which email
it is sending messages to. You can then log into the list manager with
that email and remove yourself.
it is particularly tricky for me, as I run about 7 different email aliases
depending on the environment I am in at any time.
Kindest regards,
Doug Jackson
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ph: 0414 986878
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 18:41, Kevin Lee via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Could someone kindly delete me from this list..
The mailing list software says it does not know me and yet I am getting
emails :)
Thanks
K.
Ps: appreciate the help.
30 Jan
30 Jan
5:32 p.m.
On 01/30/2024 5:48 PM CST Chris Hanson via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
VMEbus was widely used as a successor to MultiBus in the workstation market
Or, in the case of Mizar, Inc., their STDBus line of cards.
The biggest uses of VMEbus though were in laboratory
automation, process control, and robotics
Yep. That's where many of Mizar's boards went; the rest went to military
applications.
It was a good enough living for a number of years in the 1980s.
mcl
31 Jan
31 Jan
2:08 a.m.
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024, Alan Perry wrote:
I was given a Sun 3/260 that had been sitting in an
open barn for a
decade. It is a 12-slot, 9U VME system. I got it running with its CPU
board (25Mhz 68020) and a Sun 32M memory board (the 8M board it came
with has a h/w issue).
Our SUN 4/260 is still running 24h/7d since 1988 :-)
Christian
30 Jan
30 Jan
3:41 p.m.
On Jan 29, 2024, at 8:07 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least occasionally? If so, what
make/model/config?
I have a variety of VME hardware that I use some of the time, and on the ClassicCmp
Discord we even have a #vme channel.
I've mostly been using a Motorola MVME167 (with some additional VMEbus memory cards)
netbooted to NetBSD off and on, though I also have 147 and 177 cards (68030 and 68060)
that I'll use. I also have a couple of MVME197 88000-based cards that I've used to
port OpenBSD-mvme88k forward by one point release from when they dropped support. (I wish
NetBSD had mvme88k…) And I have a couple other 68K VMEbus cards like a Xycom XVME-600 and
XVME-630; the 600 is cute and runs Mach2 FORTH from ROM, while the 630 is a more or less
generic 68EC030.
I have a variety of peripheral cards that I've been trying to do various things with,
including a slick RasterGraf RG-750 graphics & human interface card (it's
34010-based and has AT keyboard and serial mouse ports), a couple NI GPIB cards, and a
bunch of earlier cards like Motorola HD/floppy, Ethernet, SCSI, and intelligent serial
cards, and so on.
I also have a few older Motorola 68010 and 68020 boards; I want to bring up MINIX 1.5.10.7
at some point on my MVME050+MVME121 and see if I can't get it to leverage the MMU. And
I have a VME/10 workstation that needs to be put back together that I'd like to run
Motorola SVR2 on.
Finally, I have a bit of more exotic gear. I have a couple of the INMOS Transputer VME
cards (as well as the non-VME equivalents for my ITEMs) and I have a few Mercury Computer
Systems i860 cards for which I really, really, *really* want to find documentation
someday. It'd be a lot fun to have a bunch of i860s rendering a scene or something
that I can then output via the RG-750, controlled by an 88K...
Oh yeah, and I have a few Suns and a Symbolics that use 9U VME, as well as a couple ISI
systems that use 6U VME[1].
-- Chris
[1] ISI used their own QBus-style ejectors on the card top instead of the standard
Motorola style plates, so they're *not quite* the same form factor. Darned annoying.
7:04 p.m.
I have several Sun3 machines... 3/160, 3/110, 3/50 and 3/60. All except the
3/80 use VME bus.
-Kurt
On Mon, Jan 29, 2024, 20:07 Bill Degnan via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least
occasionally? If so, what
make/model/config?
Bill
31 Jan
31 Jan
3:14 a.m.
Bill Degnan via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> writes:
Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least
occasionally? If so, what
make/model/config?
I have a couple of old Stride Micro systems, a 440 and a 460, that get
turned on very occasionally. They run UniStride 2.1, which is based on
SVR2, if memory serves. Nice 68010-based machines, interesting software
architecture, with an advanced BIOS that supports several operating
systems, and can even run multiple OS-es simultaneously.
-tih
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of Lisp. Lisp is the most important idea in computer science. --Alan Kay
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writes:
Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least
occasionally? If so, what
make/model/config?
I have a couple of old Stride Micro systems, a 440 and a 460, that get
turned on very occasionally. They run UniStride 2.1, which is based on
SVR2, if memory serves. Nice 68010-based machines, interesting software
architecture, with an advanced BIOS that supports several operating
systems, and can even run multiple OS-es simultaneously.
-tih
--
Most people who graduate with CS degrees don't understand the significance
of Lisp. Lisp is the most important idea in computer science. --Alan Kay
5:51 a.m.
1.2 How to Talk to the Robot
There are a few List Processor commands that you might want to use. To
send a command to the list processor, write a message to
listproc(a)u.washington.edu
(Do NOT send the message to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu). In the body of
the message (not the subject line, that is) write one of the following
commands, then send the message.
SET CLASSICCMP MAIL ACK
Tells the robot to send you a copy of messages you
write to the list. This is the default.
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Tells the robot NOT to send you a copy of messages
you write to the list. I don't recommend this.
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Tells the robot to send you a digest of messages
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significance
Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least
occasionally? If so, what
make/model/config?
I have a couple of old Stride Micro systems, a 440 and a 460, that get
turned on very occasionally. They run UniStride 2.1, which is based on
SVR2, if memory serves. Nice 68010-based machines, interesting software
architecture, with an advanced BIOS that supports several operating
systems, and can even run multiple OS-es simultaneously.
-tih
--
Most people who graduate with CS degrees don't understand the
of Lisp. Lisp is the most important idea in
computer science. --Alan
Kay
5:57 a.m.
Sorry, that is the old FAQ and may not be correct, here is a newer page
https://classiccmp.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/cctalk.classiccmp.org/
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Bill Degnan via cctalk
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significance
Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least
occasionally? If so, what
make/model/config?
I have a couple of old Stride Micro systems, a 440 and a 460, that get
turned on very occasionally. They run UniStride 2.1, which is based on
SVR2, if memory serves. Nice 68010-based machines, interesting software
architecture, with an advanced BIOS that supports several operating
systems, and can even run multiple OS-es simultaneously.
-tih
--
Most people who graduate with CS degrees don't understand the
of Lisp. Lisp is the most important idea in
computer science. --Alan
Kay
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On Wed, Jan 31, 2024, at 2:57 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
> Sorry, that is the old FAQ and may not be correct, here is a newer page
> https://classiccmp.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/cctalk.classiccmp.org/
>
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 7:11 AM Kevin Lee via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Unsubscribe me from this list.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2024, at 12:14 PM, Tom Ivar Helbekkmo via cctalk wrote:
> > > Bill Degnan via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> writes:
> > >
> > > > Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least occasionally? If so,
what
> > > > make/model/config?
> > >
> > > I have a couple of old Stride Micro systems, a 440 and a 460, that get
> > > turned on very occasionally. They run UniStride 2.1, which is based on
> > > SVR2, if memory serves. Nice 68010-based machines, interesting software
> > > architecture, with an advanced BIOS that supports several operating
> > > systems, and can even run multiple OS-es simultaneously.
> > >
> > > -tih
> > > --
> > > Most people who graduate with CS degrees don't understand the
> > significance
> > > of Lisp. Lisp is the most important idea in computer science. --Alan
> > Kay
> > >
> >
>
7:34 a.m.
I have a Sun3E VMEbus system. It is a Sun3/60 split into five 6Ux160 VMEbus
boards.
On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 8:57 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Sorry, that is the old FAQ and may not be correct,
here is a newer page
https://classiccmp.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/cctalk.classiccmp.org/
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> Bill Degnan via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> writes:
>
> > Anyone have a VMEbus system they use at least occasionally? If so,
what
> > make/model/config?
>
> I have a couple of old Stride Micro systems, a 440 and a 460, that get
> turned on very occasionally. They run UniStride 2.1, which is based on
> SVR2, if memory serves. Nice 68010-based machines, interesting
software
architecture, with an advanced BIOS that supports several operating
systems, and can even run multiple OS-es simultaneously.
-tih
--
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significance
of Lisp. Lisp is the most important idea in
computer science. --Alan
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