20 Jul
2023
20 Jul
'23
4:49 a.m.
At 02:05 AM 7/20/2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, Jul 19, 2023, 8:35 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Chuck's only saying that because he wasn't invited to "work out."
- John
Too bad, but on the other hand, John Draper
turned 80 this year.
Probably a better role model.
--Chuck
Oh, god, no. 
20 Jul
20 Jul
8:35 a.m.
New subject: Draper, wsa: Re: Re: Death of Mitnick
On 7/20/23 04:49, John Foust via cctalk wrote:
[snip]
Chuck's only saying that because he wasn't
invited to "work out."
Those of us who received such invites should form a club or somethin'.
--
Christian Kennedy, Ph.D.
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"Mr. McKittrick, after careful consideration…"
9:20 a.m.
New subject: Draper, wsa: Re: Re: Death of Mitnick
I have a funny video of a bunch us including John at the DigiBarn about 20
years ago. Dan Kotke (sp?), Steve Russell, a few others.
On Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 11:42 AM Christian Kennedy via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 7/20/23 04:49, John Foust via cctalk wrote:
[snip]
Chuck's only saying that because he
wasn't invited to "work out."
Those of us who received such invites should form a club or somethin'.
--
Christian Kennedy, Ph.D.
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"Mr. McKittrick, after careful consideration…"
9:57 a.m.
New subject: Draper, wsa: Re: Re: Death of Mitnick
On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 8:42 AM Christian Kennedy via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 7/20/23 04:49, John Foust via cctalk wrote:
[snip]
Survivors of John Draper
Sellam
Chuck's only saying that because he
wasn't invited to "work out."
Those of us who received such invites should form a club or somethin'.
--
Christian Kennedy, Ph.D.
2:14 p.m.
New subject: Draper, wsa: Re: Re: Death of Mitnick
> [snip]
>> Chuck's only saying that because he wasn't invited to "work
out."
>
> Those of us who received such invites should form a club or somethin'.
On Thu, 20 Jul 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
Survivors of John Draper
I ran into John Draper often.
When I got my PC Technical Reference Manual, but had not yet received a
PC, I visited him in the gated community (to keep people out, not a
prison) near the Caldicott Tunnel.
We spent a couple of hours with the manual, and wrote trivial programs,
such as putting characters on the screen with Int10h. He gave me a copy
of the SCP assembler. We did not work out.
At NCC in 1983, (when it was too hot for the tents), booth idiots at both
Intertec/Superbrain and Telvideo told me that they would sue me if I
included their disk formats in XenoCopy, because they could not understand
any reason to transfer files between disk formats other than to steal
their proprietary software. I added both format that night.
I bought John lunch, and over air conditioned diner food, he told me the
basics and directory structure for p-system disks. Very worthwhile for
me. We did not work out.
One time, he visited me at my office. At one point, he had a temper
tantrum, yelling at people in the lobby of the building, because he
thought that he smelled a cigarette. I did not invite him back. We did
not work out.
So, I was an acquaintance of John Draper, rather than a survivor, because
I never work out.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
3:09 p.m.
New subject: Draper, wsa: Re: Re: Death of Mitnick
On 7/20/23 14:14, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
So, I was an acquaintance of John Draper, rather than
a survivor,
because I never work out.
John has a twitter account and he's apparently hit on hard times, asking
for contributions so he can keep his Internet service...
--Chuck
3:15 p.m.
New subject: Draper, wsa: Re: Re: Death of Mitnick
On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 3:09 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
John has a twitter account and he's apparently hit
on hard times, asking
for contributions so he can keep his Internet service...
--Chuck
That's pretty much par for the course with him.
Sellam
3:14 p.m.
New subject: Draper, wsa: Re: Re: Death of Mitnick
On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 2:15 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
wrote:
<amusing tales snipped
So, I was an acquaintance of John Draper, rather than a survivor, because
> [snip]
>> Chuck's only saying that because he wasn't invited to "work
out."
> Those of us who received such invites should form a club or somethin'.
On Thu, 20 Jul 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
Survivors of John Draper
I never work out.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
Very well then:
Survivors of John Draper and Grumpy Ol' Fred
To be fair to him, he seems to have mellowed out in his later years. And I
hate to imagine the abuse he suffered as a child that made him who he
became. He's definitely a special individual, very talented and
intellectually gifted, but most likely misunderstood as a boy, and probably
didn't come from a very loving home environment.
Sellam
Sellam
3:34 p.m.
New subject: Draper, wsa: Re: Re: Death of Mitnick
So, I was an acquaintance of John Draper, rather than
a survivor, because
> I never work out.
> --
> Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
On Thu, 20 Jul 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
Very well then:
Survivors of John Draper and Grumpy Ol' Fred
That implies that there are survivors of Grumpy Ol' Fred!
Have you been talking to my former students?
To be fair to him, he seems to have mellowed out in
his later years. And I
hate to imagine the abuse he suffered as a child that made him who he
became. He's definitely a special individual, very talented and
intellectually gifted, but most likely misunderstood as a boy, and probably
didn't come from a very loving home environment.
Well, I'm not cute enough for him not to accept a simple "no, thank you".
He has always had some issues with social interactions. I'm guessing
Aspergers. But, other than the tantrum at my office about thinking he
smelled a cigarette, he's always treated me OK. Sorry for those who
weren't.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
4:59 p.m.
New subject: Draper, wsa: Re: Re: Death of Mitnick
On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 3:34 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Survivors of John Draper, and Grumpy Ol' Fred
Not sure if that is a bona fide example of the Oxford Comma at work, but
nonetheless I hope it clarifies the matter.
I should make a shirt:
I GOT INVITED TO
"SHARE MASSAGES"
WITH JOHN DRAPER
BUT FORTUNATELY
ALL I GOT WAS THIS
T-SHIRT.
Sellam
So, I was an
acquaintance of John Draper, rather than a survivor, because
> I never work out.
> --
> Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
On Thu, 20 Jul 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
Very well then:
Survivors of John Draper and Grumpy Ol' Fred
That implies that there are survivors of Grumpy Ol' Fred!
Have you been talking to my former students?
To be fair to
him, he seems to have mellowed out in his later years.
And I
hate to imagine the abuse he suffered as a child
that made him who he
became. He's definitely a special individual, very talented and
intellectually gifted, but most likely misunderstood as a boy, and
probably
didn't come from a very loving home
environment.
Well, I'm not cute enough for him not to accept a simple "no, thank you".
He has always had some issues with social interactions. I'm guessing
Aspergers. But, other than the tantrum at my office about thinking he
smelled a cigarette, he's always treated me OK. Sorry for those who
weren't.
5:53 p.m.
New subject: Draper, wsa: Re: Re: Death of Mitnick
>> So, I was an acquaintance of John Draper,
rather than a survivor, because
>>> I never work out.
>>> Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
>
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
>> Very well then:
>> Survivors of John Draper and Grumpy Ol' Fred
> That implies that there are survivors of Grumpy
Ol' Fred!
> Have you been talking to my former students?
On Thu, 20 Jul 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
Survivors of John Draper, and Grumpy Ol' Fred
Not sure if that is a bona fide example of the Oxford Comma at work, but
nonetheless I hope it clarifies the matter.
It's not exactly "the Oxford
comma",but it is a little clearer.
I am reasonably sure that there are no survivors of Grumpy Ol' Fred
Since there are a few people here with computer programming backgrounds, . . .
(Survivors of John Draper) and Grumpy Ol' Fred
works less ambiguously
21 Jul
21 Jul
12:39 p.m.
New subject: Draper, wsa: Re: Re: Death of Mitnick
On Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 10:42 AM Christian Kennedy via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 7/20/23 04:49, John Foust via cctalk wrote:
[snip]
Wow. I guess I never researched him lately and hadn't heard any of those
allegations.
I'm still curious about the potential new documentary about him and the
phreaking scene though. I think it's a Kickstarter or something. I guess
one would need to check if the money is going to a production company vs
internet bills.
Chuck's only saying that because he
wasn't invited to "work out."
Those of us who received such invites should form a club or somethin'.
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