25 Sep
2023
25 Sep
'23
11:03 p.m.
2 units working when properly stored a few years ago. 1 unit, parts unit.
Must take all 3.
Tested successfully only with a PC and a VAX.
Located in Frederick, Maryland, USA
26 Sep
26 Sep
1:37 a.m.
Do you know of a source for drivers and software for the PC environment
for this equipment? I was recently given a 1054 which is supposedly the
same system with a SCSI interface. I've yet to find anything online.
Any suggestions would be most appreciated!
Steve
On 9/25/23 4:03 PM, js--- via cctalk wrote:
2 units working when properly stored a few years ago. 1 unit, parts
unit.
Must take all 3.
Tested successfully only with a PC and a VAX.
Located in Frederick, Maryland, USA
2 a.m.
Do you know of a source for drivers and software for
the PC environment
for this equipment? I was recently given a 1054 which is supposedly the
same system with a SCSI interface. I've yet to find anything online.
Any suggestions would be most appreciated!
The version with SCSI (it's a SCSI to Pertec bridge inside) works fine under Linux
with the usual SCSI tape driver and `mt`.
Thanks,
Jonathan
3:27 a.m.
On 9/25/23 18:37, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote:
Do you know of a source for drivers and software for
the PC environment
for this equipment? I was recently given a 1054 which is supposedly the
same system with a SCSI interface. I've yet to find anything online.
Any suggestions would be most appreciated!
It's SCSI; implements the basic ANSI SCSI command set for tape devices.
So you need a SCSI controller, the proper cables and terminator, and,
depending on your operating system, you might also need a driver (DOS
uses an ASPI driver for Adaptec controllers, for example).
Linux knows about most SCSI adapters and will instantiate an /dev/mtx
device if it sees the drive.
There are various backup packages for SCSI tapes for the various
Microsoft offerings.
FWIW, there is a non-SCSI 1260 drive as well (Pertec interface).
Properly, the SCSI 1260 is a 1260S.
Personally, I don't much care for the Qualstar drives; for 6250, they
don't really develop enough tape speed to get a good signal; at 1600,
they're barely passable. But, I suppose, better than nothing.
--Chuck
2:11 p.m.
Overland data Pertec controllers, ISA, AT and PCI interfaces with
utilities for the Pertec interface drives.
As Chuck mentioned, the 1260S is the SCSI version.
I use one of a stack of DL360 systems for the SCSI / Linux combo. has
worked well, and is less fuss than building up a system and adding an
Adaptec these days.
thanks
jim
On 9/25/23 20:37, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote:
I've yet to find anything online.
3:12 p.m.
On 9/26/23 07:11, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
Overland data Pertec controllers, ISA, AT and PCI
interfaces with
utilities for the Pertec interface drives.
I also posted plans and software for a Pertec tape controller using an
MCU with U SB or serial for comms and control. Data is stored on mcriSD
card. You can find details on Github.
I run mine with a 32GB SD card; it works just fine.
--Chuck
27 Sep
27 Sep
6:58 p.m.
Chuck - is this the one?:
https://github.com/Tubatstuff/Pertec-Interface-Tape-Controller
=]
--
Anders Nelson
www.andersknelson.com
On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 11:13 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 9/26/23 07:11, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
Overland data Pertec controllers, ISA, AT and PCI
interfaces with
utilities for the Pertec interface drives.
I also posted plans and software for a Pertec tape controller using an
MCU with U SB or serial for comms and control. Data is stored on mcriSD
card. You can find details on Github.
I run mine with a 32GB SD card; it works just fine.
--Chuck
7 p.m.
Yup, right there in /doc.
--
Anders Nelson
www.andersknelson.com
On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 2:58 PM Anders Nelson <anders.k.nelson(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Chuck - is this the one?:
https://github.com/Tubatstuff/Pertec-Interface-Tape-Controller
=]
--
Anders Nelson
www.andersknelson.com
On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 11:13 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 9/26/23 07:11, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
> > Overland data Pertec controllers, ISA, AT and PCI interfaces with
> > utilities for the Pertec interface drives.
>
> I also posted plans and software for a Pertec tape controller using an
> MCU with U SB or serial for comms and control. Data is stored on mcriSD
> card. You can find details on Github.
>
> I run mine with a 32GB SD card; it works just fine.
>
> --Chuck
>
>
>
7:42 p.m.
I'm a bit late to the ballgame, but I use Depot 4 - which is available for
download from Curious Marc.
https://www.curiousmarc.com/computing/overland-tape-drive
On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 1:00 PM Anders Nelson via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Yup, right there in /doc.
--
Anders Nelson
www.andersknelson.com
On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 2:58 PM Anders Nelson <anders.k.nelson(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Chuck - is this the one?:
https://github.com/Tubatstuff/Pertec-Interface-Tape-Controller
=]
--
Anders Nelson
www.andersknelson.com
On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 11:13 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 9/26/23 07:11, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
> > Overland data Pertec controllers, ISA, AT and PCI interfaces with
> > utilities for the Pertec interface drives.
>
> I also posted plans and software for a Pertec tape controller using an
> MCU with U SB or serial for comms and control. Data is stored on mcriSD
> card. You can find details on Github.
>
> I run mine with a 32GB SD card; it works just fine.
>
> --Chuck
>
>
>
8 Feb
8 Feb
3:51 a.m.
New subject: Overland Data Depot4 application
Greetings!
Based on the comment in a message posted last fall, I downloaded and
installed the Overland Data Depot4 software that was mentioned during a
discussion of SCSI tape tools. But so far I've been stumped in getting
it to work. Basic system is a freshly set up Win98SE and an Adaptec
1522 SCSI board connected to a Qualstar 9track. Depot4 installs and
runs without issue but when I try to point it at the ASPI drivers it
fails to recognize anything. Any suggestions on where to look or what
to tweak would be seriously appreciated!
Steve
4:16 a.m.
New subject: Overland Data Depot4 application
On 2/7/24 21:51, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote:
Greetings!
Based on the comment in a message posted last fall, I downloaded and
installed the Overland Data Depot4 software that was mentioned during
a discussion of SCSI tape tools. But so far I've been stumped in
getting it to work. Basic system is a freshly set up Win98SE and an
Adaptec 1522 SCSI board connected to a Qualstar 9track. Depot4
installs and runs without issue but when I try to point it at the ASPI
drivers it fails to recognize anything. Any suggestions on where to
look or what to tweak would be seriously appreciated!
Steve
I have all types of the original Overland Pertec controllers and none
were SCSI. There were drivers for those controllers, but nothing for
any generic thing like ASPI that I encountered.
If this is for their tape libraries, that is way after my time.
Their utilities were great, handling a lot of scenarios and letting you
configure for a lot of situations to save having to code and break up
records yourself.
Not much use I guess, but Depot goes to the original programmed I/O,
ATA, and PCI controllers.
thanks
Jim
6:59 a.m.
New subject: Overland Data Depot4 application
On 2024-02-08 05:16, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
On 2/7/24 21:51, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote:
Maybe you dont know, but all the Qualstars I've met, are basically
Pertec. I've run some 1052's on Overland software.
The 34xx series has a SCSI - Pertec interface, so if you remove this
board, you have a Pertec drive.
Thanks'
Nico
Greetings!
Based on the comment in a message posted last fall, I downloaded and
installed the Overland Data Depot4 software that was mentioned during
a discussion of SCSI tape tools. But so far I've been stumped in
getting it to work. Basic system is a freshly set up Win98SE and an
Adaptec 1522 SCSI board connected to a Qualstar 9track. Depot4
installs and runs without issue but when I try to point it at the
ASPI drivers it fails to recognize anything. Any suggestions on
where to look or what to tweak would be seriously appreciated!
Steve
I have all types of the original Overland Pertec controllers and none
were SCSI. There were drivers for those controllers, but nothing for
any generic thing like ASPI that I encountered.
If this is for their tape libraries, that is way after my time.
Their utilities were great, handling a lot of scenarios and letting
you configure for a lot of situations to save having to code and break
up records yourself.
Not much use I guess, but Depot goes to the original programmed I/O,
ATA, and PCI controllers.
thanks
Jim
4:15 p.m.
New subject: Overland Data Depot4 application
I have a Qualstar 3412 that I've used with Depot4. I last used this on a
386 running DOS 6.22, a Trantor SCSI card and SCSIWorks! as the ASPI
driver.
Travis
On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 12:14 AM Nico de Jong via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Based on the comment in a message posted last
fall, I downloaded and
> installed the Overland Data Depot4 software that was mentioned during
> a discussion of SCSI tape tools. But so far I've been stumped in
> getting it to work. Basic system is a freshly set up Win98SE and an
> Adaptec 1522 SCSI board connected to a Qualstar 9track. Depot4
> installs and runs without issue but when I try to point it at the
> ASPI drivers it fails to recognize anything. Any suggestions on
> where to look or what to tweak would be seriously appreciated!
The 34xx series has a SCSI - Pertec interface, so if you remove this
board, you have a Pertec drive.
Thanks'
Nico
4:22 p.m.
New subject: Overland Data Depot4 application
On 2/7/24 22:59, Nico de Jong via cctalk wrote:
> Maybe you dont know, but all the Qualstars I've met, are basically
> Pertec. I've run some 1052's on Overland software.
I have a 1260S that's a SCSI interface. The 1052 was also available
with a SCSI interface. Basically a 1260 or 1052 with a Pertec-to-SCSI
adapter installed. I also have a (disintegrating) Overland drive that's
Pertec and printer interface.
--Chuck
24 Feb
24 Feb
4:32 a.m.
New subject: Overland Data Depot4 application
Would you consider parting with it? I've actually got the 1052S up and
working with the Depot4 software but I'm still looking for a 6250 unit.
Steve
On 2/8/24 8:22 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 2/7/24 22:59, Nico de Jong via cctalk wrote:
Maybe you dont know, but all the Qualstars
I've met, are basically
Pertec. I've run some 1052's on Overland software.
I have a 1260S that's a SCSI interface. The 1052 was also available
with a SCSI interface. Basically a 1260 or 1052 with a Pertec-to-SCSI
adapter installed. I also have a (disintegrating) Overland drive that's
Pertec and printer interface.
--Chuck
5:38 a.m.
New subject: Overland Data Depot4 application
On 2/23/24 20:32, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote:
Would you consider parting with it? I've actually
got the 1052S up and
working with the Depot4 software but I'm still looking for a 6250 unit.
Hi Steve,
I might consider a trade, but to be perfectly frank, I don't think you'd
like it.
At 6250, the tape speed is slow, slow slow and really isn't fast enough
to generate a reliable signal in the read head. You need an
almnost-perfect tape for it to work.
At least that's my experience. I use the drive mostly for spot checks
on tapes,rather than for archiving. The SCSI controller has a 256KB
buffer and will shoeshine things to death if it can't get a solid read.
I recommend a good drive; an M4, Cipher, HP, Fujitsu, CDC etc. The
Qualstar is too much of a dog walking on its hind legs, if you catch my
drift.
All the best,
Chuck
10 Feb
10 Feb
3:26 a.m.
New subject: Overland Data Depot4 application
On 2/8/24 00:59, Nico de Jong via cctalk wrote:
Maybe you dont know, but all the Qualstars I've met, are basically
Pertec. I've run some 1052's on Overland software.
The 34xx series has a SCSI - Pertec interface, so if you remove this
board, you have a Pertec drive.
Thanks'
Nico
Thanks, Nico. I have both the Pertec and the SCSI 1052 and 1260. I
know inside there is a SCSI converter. FWIW there is a SCSI to pertec
on both Kennedy and Cipher drives which will run Pertec when you pull
off the SCSI adapter on the back as well.
I have a system called Pick which some here know, and have Pertec 9
track software to allow the PC version R83 to access Pertec half inch
drives, FWIW. At the early stages we met with the founders in San Diego
about their designs as well (Overland). A friend developed and marketed
the Pick product with our engineering help.
Thanks for noting about the Qualstars. I have a skid of a mixture of
Cipher, IBM, Qualstar, M4 and some 100X rack mount as well as CDC. I
haven't gotten into the mode of seeing if they still work, but "they did
from 10 to 40 years ago".
thanks
Jim
24 Feb
24 Feb
4:37 a.m.
New subject: Overland Data Depot4 application
Thanks for the comments and suggestions! The issue turned out to be an
ASPI config problem in the startup files. Depot4 fired right up once it
saw the ASPI driver.
Steve
On 2/9/24 7:26 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
On 2/8/24 00:59, Nico de Jong via cctalk wrote:
Maybe you dont know, but all the Qualstars I've met, are basically
Pertec. I've run some 1052's on Overland software.
The 34xx series has a SCSI - Pertec interface, so if you remove this
board, you have a Pertec drive.
Thanks'
Nico
Thanks, Nico. I have both the Pertec and the SCSI 1052 and 1260. I
know inside there is a SCSI converter. FWIW there is a SCSI to pertec
on both Kennedy and Cipher drives which will run Pertec when you pull
off the SCSI adapter on the back as well.
I have a system called Pick which some here know, and have Pertec 9
track software to allow the PC version R83 to access Pertec half inch
drives, FWIW. At the early stages we met with the founders in San
Diego about their designs as well (Overland). A friend developed and
marketed the Pick product with our engineering help.
Thanks for noting about the Qualstars. I have a skid of a mixture of
Cipher, IBM, Qualstar, M4 and some 100X rack mount as well as CDC. I
haven't gotten into the mode of seeing if they still work, but "they
did from 10 to 40 years ago".
thanks
Jim
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