I took a chance and bought an Alphastation DS10L recently sold as untested. (1U model). On receipt it boots a virgin VMS 7.2b with everything under the sun installed and licensed to 'dec internal'. If I enter a date later than 2002 or so, the installed software explodes with license expiration. The list of installed features takes forever to list at 9600baud..... I searched the drive for boot logs etc and all are blank. The drive reports zero gigs read and the entire machine is utterly pristine within, dustless. The seller did not install vms on this drive. I checked the date-codes on both drive and machine; they are contempories. I'm very confident that this drive shipped with the machine, and it bears no sign of use. I imaged the drive (for fun with my PA7300lc), so I have a secured copy of the drive with the only difference that it has been booted once or twice, and on the last I changed the SYSTEM password to "slateev6". Is this installation of interest? There's a paper tag on the machine which still reads "TP 14" in ballpoint. Is this possibly an internal machine? There are no asset tags on it. best, jeff (Technoid Mutant)