28 Mar
2024
28 Mar
'24
9:37 a.m.
I know this is a real long shot but is there any chance someone
has a copy of the original distribution of the Amoeba OS from
the University in the Netherlands? Searching the web finds only
the current version which runs on X86. I am looking for the
original which also ran on Sparc and (of the most interest to
me) the VAX.
Remember when they said now that we had the web nothing would
ever be lost again? :-(
bill
28 Mar
28 Mar
9:47 a.m.
On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 5:37 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I know this is a real long shot but is there any chance someone
has a copy of the original distribution of the Amoeba OS from
the University in the Netherlands? Searching the web finds only
the current version which runs on X86. I am looking for the
original which also ran on Sparc and (of the most interest to
me) the VAX.
https://github.com/OSPreservProject/amoeba has the sun binaries but not the
vax/mips binaries.
Warner
Remember when they said now that we had the web nothing would
ever be lost again? :-(
bill
9:56 a.m.
On 3/28/2024 12:47 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 5:37 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote:
I know this is a real long shot but is there any chance someone
has a copy of the original distribution of the Amoeba OS from
the University in the Netherlands? Searching the web finds only
the current version which runs on X86. I am looking for the
original which also ran on Sparc and (of the most interest to
me) the VAX.
https://github.com/OSPreservProject/amoeba
<https://github.com/OSPreservProject/amoeba> has the sun binaries but
not the vax/mips binaries.
That's the current version. I am surprised they have Sun but
I also expect it is not the Suns from the original which were
Sun 3 and Sparc pizza boxes.
We used the Sparc version at the University of Scranton. Some Grad
students did research and their thesis on Amoeba. We had a whole lab
dedicated to it and it was really cool.
I have a nice stack of Vaxstation 3100's sitting around and now that
you can no longer get hobbyist licenses for VMS I thought it might
be fun to create an Amoeba Cluster. If any like minded people popped
up it might be fun to try and build a really large and widely separated
cluster just to see if it would have been possible.
bill
10:02 a.m.
Sorry if I intrude... now is no more possible to obtain hobbyist licenses for vms ??
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2024 5:57 PM
To: Warner Losh <imp(a)bsdimp.com>om>; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Cc: Bill Gunshannon <bill.gunshannon(a)hotmail.com>
Subject: [cctalk] Re: Amoeba OS
On 3/28/2024 12:47 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2024, 5:37 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org <mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote:
I know this is a real long shot but is there any chance someone
has a copy of the original distribution of the Amoeba OS from
the University in the Netherlands? Searching the web finds only
the current version which runs on X86. I am looking for the
original which also ran on Sparc and (of the most interest to
me) the VAX.
https://github.com/OSPreservProject/amoeba
<https://github.com/OSPreservProject/amoeba> has the sun binaries but
not the vax/mips binaries.
That's the current version. I am surprised they have Sun but
I also expect it is not the Suns from the original which were
Sun 3 and Sparc pizza boxes.
We used the Sparc version at the University of Scranton. Some Grad
students did research and their thesis on Amoeba. We had a whole lab
dedicated to it and it was really cool.
I have a nice stack of Vaxstation 3100's sitting around and now that
you can no longer get hobbyist licenses for VMS I thought it might
be fun to create an Amoeba Cluster. If any like minded people popped
up it might be fun to try and build a really large and widely separated
cluster just to see if it would have been possible.
bill
4:29 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 05:02:10PM +0000, Alessandro Mazzini via cctalk wrote:
Sorry if I intrude... now is no more possible to
obtain hobbyist licenses for vms ??
Not for OpenVMS/VAX, that stopped more than a year ago. IIRC you _can_
get something like[1] it for OpenVMS/amd64 from VMS Software.
The only legal[0] workaround for VMS on VAX is to go back all the way
before LMF was introduced which IIRC means running VMS 4.4 and nothing
newer.
Sad and mildly irritating, but nothing we can do about it.
Kind regards,
Alex.
[0] Personal opinion. Worth every cent you paid for it. I'm not a lawyer
and I never played one on TV. Void were prohibited. Caveat emptor.
[1] Last time I checked, there was a time limited "educational purposes"
virtual machine image one could download and run with the appropriate
hypervisor software.
--
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and
looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison
31 Mar
31 Mar
3:29 p.m.
On 28/03/2024 23:29, Alexander Schreiber via cctalk wrote:
The only legal[0] workaround for VMS on VAX is to go
back all the way
before LMF was introduced which IIRC means running VMS 4.4 and nothing
newer.
It's no more legal than running VMS V6.1 without a valid PAK (that was
legally transferred to you).
The only difference is that you didn't have to subvert the LMF.
Sad and mildly irritating, but nothing we can do about
it.
This bit is true.
--
Antonio Carlini
antonio(a)acarlini.com
4:45 p.m.
New subject: WAS: Amoeba OS, Now: VAX/VMS Licensing?
Hi all, I am completely ignorant when it comes to VMS licensing and how it works (or
worked).
I purchased a MicroVAX that is running VMS V5.3. Do I need to worry about it ceasing to
work at some point?
I don’t have any paperwork for the license, just a running machine.
What should I know about this?
73 Eugene W2HX
My Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@w2hx/videos
-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio Carlini via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2024 6:29 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Cc: Antonio Carlini <a.carlini(a)ntlworld.com>
Subject: [cctalk] Re: Amoeba OS
On 28/03/2024 23:29, Alexander Schreiber via cctalk wrote:
The only legal[0] workaround for VMS on VAX is to go
back all the way
before LMF was introduced which IIRC means running VMS 4.4 and nothing
newer.
It's no more legal than running VMS V6.1 without a valid PAK (that was legally
transferred to you).
The only difference is that you didn't have to subvert the LMF.
Sad and mildly irritating, but nothing we can do about
it.
This bit is true.
--
Antonio Carlini
antonio(a)acarlini.com
1 Apr
1 Apr
4 a.m.
New subject: WAS: Amoeba OS, Now: VAX/VMS Licensing?
On 01/04/2024 00:45, W2HX wrote:
Hi all, I am completely ignorant when it comes to VMS
licensing and how it works (or worked).
I purchased a MicroVAX that is running VMS V5.3. Do I need to worry about it ceasing to
work at some point?
I don’t have any paperwork for the license, just a running machine.
What should I know about this?
You should know how to take a standalone backup and make sure you have
done that. I'd suggest restoring it on a SIMH instance to check that it
is bootable and works as expected.
You could use the LMF commands to dump the PAKs with checksums but that
(iirc) disables them so you have to re-enable them afterwards. That
would allow you to rebuild your system, assuming you have install media
for VMS and all the layered products. A standalone backup would be
better though.
Your VMS installation will certainly keep running for as long as you are
likely to want to run it, but the hardware may fail at any time.
Antonio
--
Antonio Carlini
antonio(a)acarlini.com
28 Mar
28 Mar
6:47 p.m.
On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 10:02 AM Alessandro Mazzini via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Sorry if I intrude... now is no more possible to
obtain hobbyist licenses
for vms ??
The current owners have barely been responding to responses since taking
over. I tried twice for Itanium, but it's not a huge deal because tere's a
certain tool that gen's paks for VMS that's been around for a good 25 or so
years :) . If anyone actually cared about that, I'd imagine it'd be well
off the internet by now but it still persists.
29 Mar
29 Mar
3:15 a.m.
Yep, I'm well aware of that tool. Same time I got totally surprised by the licensing
move
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Satterfield via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2024 2:48 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Cc: Christopher Satterfield <christopher1400(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [cctalk] Re: Amoeba OS
On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 10:02 AM Alessandro Mazzini via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Sorry if I intrude... now is no more possible to
obtain hobbyist
licenses for vms ??
The current owners have barely been responding to responses since taking over. I tried
twice for Itanium, but it's not a huge deal because tere's a certain tool that
gen's paks for VMS that's been around for a good 25 or so years :) . If anyone
actually cared about that, I'd imagine it'd be well off the internet by now but it
still persists.
28 Mar
28 Mar
4:50 p.m.
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
Remember when they said now that we had the web
nothing would
ever be lost again? :-(
sho' nuff, the memory, attribution, and written forms of that concept are
lost. "The internet is written in sand."
For example, remember Howard Fullmer? One of Morrow's chief engineers,
"Parasitic Engineering", and along with Morrow was an early proponent of
standardizing S100. I once saw (in MicroTimes? that he had died, but can
not find any confimation that disambiguates WHICH Howard Fullmer.
OTOH, spammer mailing lists, and leaked personal and trade secrets
seem to last forever.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
9:04 p.m.
Ans sway they have in congress to get laws specifically modified for their
benefit...
On Fri, 29 Mar 2024, 1:27 pm Fred Cisin via cctalk, <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
> OTOH,
spammer mailing lists, and leaked personal and trade secrets
> seem to last forever.
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, ben via cctalk wrote:
You forgot Mickey Mouse.
Is the mouse's immortality due to his army of intellectual property
lawyers?
29 Mar
29 Mar
8:59 a.m.
On Thursday, March 28th, 2024 at 19:26, Fred Cisin via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
There's a joke to be made here about Walt Disney being in cryonic suspension[0] and
Mickey Mouse is his avatar feeding off of his life force, but I don't have enough
coffee in me yet to attempt to be funny.
[0] Yes, I know it didn't actually happen.
The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510]
WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/
Don't be mean. You don't have to be mean.
You forgot
Mickey Mouse.
Is the mouse's immortality due to his army of intellectual property
lawyers? 
6:18 a.m.
On Mar 28, 2024, at 9:44 PM, ben via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 2024-03-28 5:50 p.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Not any more; Steamboat Willy is in the public domain now.
paul
OTOH, spammer mailing lists, and leaked personal
and trade secrets seem to last forever.
You forgot Mickey Mouse.
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