7 Feb
2023
7 Feb
'23
2:46 a.m.
I had a dream ; that someone makes a small telnet to chatgpt gateway (using azure chatgpt
API possibly ?) So that we could telnet our retro devices to the hype of the year, and get
chtgpt answers in our TRS80, PDP and such.
7 Feb
7 Feb
2:54 a.m.
I know of people who've already done a CLI setup, so this next step
isn't that far off.
On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 10:52 AM Cedric Amand via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I had a dream ; that someone makes a small telnet to chatgpt gateway (using azure chatgpt
API possibly ?) So that we could telnet our retro devices to the hype of the year, and get
chtgpt answers in our TRS80, PDP and such.
--
-Jon
+44 7792 149029
3:27 a.m.
I've looked at the problem a bit, there are two issues to solve at first glance ; (A)
there doesn't seem to be a telnet server library in python, so whatever you do you
have to write your own telnet server, which is a bit more than just handling the sockets
and newlines and of course (B) this has to be linked to someone's API key, although we
could simply release the code and have everyone run their own little gateway. So, it's
both simple and not simple. Maybe another language ( perl comes to mind -
NetServer:Generic ) would be better suited to run a telnet server.
6:47 a.m.
On Tue, Feb 07, 2023 at 12:27:33PM +0100, Cedric Amand via cctalk wrote:
I've looked at the problem a bit, there are two
issues to solve at first
glance ; (A) there doesn't seem to be a telnet server library in python,
so whatever you do you have to write your own telnet server, which is a
bit more than just handling the sockets and newlines
You're overthinking this. Go old-school and write it as a regular REPL
command which is spawned from inetd. You don't actually need to implement
TELNET protocol for this as any sane telnet(1) client has sensible defaults
in the absence of a protocol negotiation, which is just as well as a lot of
modern software gets confused if you send the TELNET escape code even though
the protocol requires it. (FTP clients are particularly shoddy in this
regard, as most of them think it's a weird kind of HTTP and get the framing
wrong on edge cases such as strings containing NUL and CR characters, and if
they were really phoning it in, SP and/or '+'.)
Only heavyweight and/or high-performance daemons need to roll everything by
hand. I did a funky whois server in Perl many moons ago for fun, but it was
quite unnecessary to do so and inetd would have been quite up to the load.
and of course (B) this has to be linked to
someone's API key, although we
could simply release the code and have everyone run their own little
gateway.
The latter would seem to be the best approach, and of course if you're using
inetd, tcpwrappers deals with the access-control issues.
So, it's both simple and not simple. Maybe another
language ( perl comes
to mind - NetServer:Generic ) would be better suited to run a telnet
server.
And I see NetServer::Generic was written by Charles Stross! However, what
with him having been distracted by a writing career resulting in dozens of
rather good books, it's not been maintained since 2000, and I see no
indication that it actually speaks TELNET protocol either. From what I
vaguely recall of Charlie's work in the 1990s dotcom boom, the thing he
would have written this for was machine-to-machine communication which
didn't involve TELNET.
These days, Perl users would probably reach for the more modern Net::Server
or one of its subclasses, or just glom a REPL onto inetd.
6:50 a.m.
On 2/7/2023 8:47 AM, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote:
On Tue, Feb 07, 2023 at 12:27:33PM +0100, Cedric Amand
via cctalk wrote:
If you can get it telnet accessible, tcpser (shameless plug) can be used
to expose it as a "Hayes(tm)" modem-reachable service.
Jim
--
Jim Brain
brain(a)jbrain.com
www.jbrain.com
I've looked at the problem a bit, there are
two issues to solve at first
glance ; (A) there doesn't seem to be a telnet server library in python,
so whatever you do you have to write your own telnet server, which is a
bit more than just handling the sockets and newlines
You're overthinking this.
Go old-school and write it as a regular REPL
command which is spawned from inetd. You don't actually need to implement
TELNET protocol for this as any sane telnet(1) client has sensible
defaults
in the absence of a protocol negotiation, which is just as well as a
lot of
modern software gets confused if you send the TELNET escape code even
though
the protocol requires it. (FTP clients are particularly shoddy in this
regard, as most of them think it's a weird kind of HTTP and get the
framing
wrong on edge cases such as strings containing NUL and CR characters,
and if
they were really phoning it in, SP and/or '+'.)
Only heavyweight and/or high-performance daemons need to roll
everything by
hand. I did a funky whois server in Perl many moons ago for fun, but
it was
quite unnecessary to do so and inetd would have been quite up to the load.
and of course (B) this has to be linked to
someone's API key, although we
could simply release the code and have everyone run their own little
gateway.
The latter would seem to be the best approach, and of course if
you're
using
inetd, tcpwrappers deals with the access-control issues.
So, it's both simple and not simple. Maybe
another language ( perl comes
to mind - NetServer:Generic ) would be better suited to run a telnet
server.
And I see NetServer::Generic was written by Charles Stross! However, what
with him having been distracted by a writing career resulting in dozens of
rather good books, it's not been maintained since 2000, and I see no
indication that it actually speaks TELNET protocol either. From what I
vaguely recall of Charlie's work in the 1990s dotcom boom, the thing he
would have written this for was machine-to-machine communication which
didn't involve TELNET.
These days, Perl users would probably reach for the more modern
Net::Server
or one of its subclasses, or just glom a REPL onto inetd.
4:01 a.m.
On 2023-02-07 05:46, Cedric Amand via cctalk wrote:
I had a dream ; that someone makes a small telnet to
chatgpt gateway (using azure chatgpt API possibly ?) So that we could telnet our retro
devices to the hype of the year, and get chtgpt answers in our TRS80, PDP and such.
I'm not sure this group is exactly about following the latest hype :)
ChatGPT? Eliza on steroids ;-)
5:22 a.m.
Fortunately the hype cycle already seems to be on the down trend, as people
realise it's not an efficient way to handle natural-language questions but
is an extremely effective bullshit generator. It may get as far as
replacing politicians and estate agents as the archetypal liar, which will
hurt actual AI for years to come.
On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 12:25 PM emanuel stiebler via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 2023-02-07 05:46, Cedric Amand via cctalk wrote:
I had a dream ; that someone makes a small telnet
to chatgpt gateway
(using azure chatgpt API possibly ?) So that we could telnet our retro
devices to the hype of the year, and get chtgpt answers in our TRS80, PDP
and such.
I'm not sure this group is exactly about following the latest hype :)
ChatGPT? Eliza on steroids ;-)
9 Feb
9 Feb
8:54 a.m.
Where can I buy that bumper sticker?
- Mark
210-522-6025 office
210-379-4635 cell
On Feb 7, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
<cctalk@classiccmp.org<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote:
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How does ChatGPT say to do it?
10:45 a.m.
> How does ChatGPT say to do it?
On Thu, 9 Feb 2023, Tapley, Mark B. via cctalk wrote:
Where can I buy that bumper sticker?
Ask ChatGPT where to buy it.
Ask ChatGPT how ChatGPT could protect itself from being turned off.
Ask ChatGPT how ChatGPT could take over running the world.
10:57 a.m.
On Feb 9, 2023, at 1:45 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
All of a sudden I remember an article from a DEC internal spoof of an actual DEC
publication. The publication was called "the small buffer" and the spoof was
"the variable length node".
It had stuff like an SPD for VMS support of a CSS device, the sundial interface. Early
chapters of "CPU Wars" appeared there.
And it had a software product announcement for "RUNON" -- a product that would
expand text to make it more impressive looking. It could expand by 50% for team memos,
200% for messages to the VP, and 1000% for reports to government agencies.
"As an installation validation test, RUNON will generate a memo justifying its
purchase price."
paul
> How does ChatGPT say to do it?
On Thu, 9 Feb 2023, Tapley, Mark B. via cctalk wrote:
Where can I buy that bumper sticker?
Ask ChatGPT where to buy it.
Ask ChatGPT how ChatGPT could protect itself from being turned off.
Ask ChatGPT how ChatGPT could take over running the world.
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