It doesn't specify the symbols, just states some or missing. But I ran netconfig.com and specified the name and decnet address and specified end-node. When I run startnet I get the following (I ran this manually but got it from the startnet.com script): NCP>set known circuit all %NCP-W-OPEFAI, Operation failure Circuit = SVA-0 %SYSTEM-F-NOLICENSE, operation requires software license What license is needed for circuits? - Peter On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 7:08 PM Wayne S <wayne.sudol(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

multinet is an option, if it does not have to be decnet for networking b On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 7:39 PM Wayne S via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:

Well, it works when I run VMS 4.4 and DECnet 4.0 so I must have something wrong with the licenses under 5.4. I do have the VAX-VMS and DVNETRTG licenses installed under 5.4 so I was expecting it to work. Back to the drawing board I guess. Thank y'all for responding with suggestions. - Peter On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 7:59 PM Antonio Carlini via cctalk < cctalk(a)classiccmp.org&gt; wrote:

Do you need vms 5.4 for a specific reason? Can you use V4 instead? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2025, at 19:50, Wayne S &lt;wayne.sudol(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote:  There is pakgen.c on the internet 🤔 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2025, at 17:26, Peter Ekstrom via cctalk &lt;cctalk(a)classiccmp.org&gt; wrote: Well, it works when I run VMS 4.4 and DECnet 4.0 so I must have something wrong with the licenses under 5.4. I do have the VAX-VMS and DVNETRTG licenses installed under 5.4 so I was expecting it to work. Back to the drawing board I guess. Thank y'all for responding with suggestions. - Peter On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 7:59 PM Antonio Carlini via cctalk < cctalk(a)classiccmp.org&gt; wrote: On 02/12/2025 00:38, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: Decnet needed a license. I think that probably the license manager is called as part of running any licensed product before you can do anything. If you want to verify that it’s a licensing issue run a version of VMS before V5 and install Decnet. Licensing enforcement came out with version five so anything before that is not enforced. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2025, at 16:18, Peter Ekstrom &lt;epekstrom(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:  It doesn't specify the symbols, just states some or missing. But I ran netconfig.com<http://netconfig.com> and specified the name and decnet address and specified end-node. When I run startnet I get the following (I ran this manually but got it from the startnet.com<http://startnet.com> script): NCP>set known circuit all %NCP-W-OPEFAI, Operation failure Circuit = SVA-0 %SYSTEM-F-NOLICENSE, operation requires software license What license is needed for circuits? - Peter On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 7:08 PM Wayne S &lt;wayne.sudol(a)hotmail.com&lt;mailtomailto: wayne.sudol(a)hotmail.com&gt;&gt; wrote: What symbols? Can you show some here? Maybe you have the wrong install script? Sent from my iPhone Firstly V5 checked the kernel considerably so anything tied deeply to it (like DECnet) would need a new version, the V4.x stuff wouldn't work at all. Although with DECnet, as has been pointed out that shipped with VMS. From V5.0 onwards you would need a PAK (licence PAK). You need one for VMS too, but it at least lets you log in once or maybe twice, so that you can enter the required licence PAK(s). For DECnet you get (IIRC) nothing without a licence PAK. Same for clustering and volume shadowing. So you are probably missing just a licence PAK for DECnet. Before V5 most things just ran, but both VMS and DECnet had licence tapes that increased the number of users allowed (in the case of VMS) or allowed DECnet functionality (in the case of DECnet). So even with V4 you had to do something extra to get DECnet running. Antonio -- Antonio Carlini antonio(a)acarlini.com

I suppose the hdd is missing from it and you don’t have any installation media ? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2025, at 22:00, Peter Ekstrom &lt;epekstrom(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:  I have a MicroVAX 3100 on its way now, and as I understand the info I have found, VMS 4.x isn't supported on that machine? - Peter On Tue, Dec 2, 2025 at 12:38 AM Wayne S <wayne.sudol@hotmail.com<mailto:wayne.sudol@hotmail.com>> wrote: Do you need vms 5.4 for a specific reason? Can you use V4 instead? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2025, at 19:50, Wayne S <wayne.sudol@hotmail.com<mailto:wayne.sudol@hotmail.com>> wrote:  There is pakgen.c on the internet 🤔 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2025, at 17:26, Peter Ekstrom via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: Well, it works when I run VMS 4.4 and DECnet 4.0 so I must have something wrong with the licenses under 5.4. I do have the VAX-VMS and DVNETRTG licenses installed under 5.4 so I was expecting it to work. Back to the drawing board I guess. Thank y'all for responding with suggestions. - Peter On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 7:59 PM Antonio Carlini via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org<mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: On 02/12/2025 00:38, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: Decnet needed a license. I think that probably the license manager is called as part of running any licensed product before you can do anything. If you want to verify that it’s a licensing issue run a version of VMS before V5 and install Decnet. Licensing enforcement came out with version five so anything before that is not enforced. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2025, at 16:18, Peter Ekstrom <epekstrom@gmail.com<mailto:epekstrom@gmail.com>> wrote:  It doesn't specify the symbols, just states some or missing. But I ran netconfig.com<http://netconfig.com><http://netconfig.com> and specified the name and decnet address and specified end-node. When I run startnet I get the following (I ran this manually but got it from the startnet.com<http://startnet.com><http://startnet.com> script): NCP>set known circuit all %NCP-W-OPEFAI, Operation failure Circuit = SVA-0 %SYSTEM-F-NOLICENSE, operation requires software license What license is needed for circuits? - Peter On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 7:08 PM Wayne S <wayne.sudol@hotmail.com<mailto:wayne.sudol@hotmail.com><mailto: wayne.sudol@hotmail.com<mailto:wayne.sudol@hotmail.com>>> wrote: What symbols? Can you show some here? Maybe you have the wrong install script? Sent from my iPhone Firstly V5 checked the kernel considerably so anything tied deeply to it (like DECnet) would need a new version, the V4.x stuff wouldn't work at all. Although with DECnet, as has been pointed out that shipped with VMS. From V5.0 onwards you would need a PAK (licence PAK). You need one for VMS too, but it at least lets you log in once or maybe twice, so that you can enter the required licence PAK(s). For DECnet you get (IIRC) nothing without a licence PAK. Same for clustering and volume shadowing. So you are probably missing just a licence PAK for DECnet. Before V5 most things just ran, but both VMS and DECnet had licence tapes that increased the number of users allowed (in the case of VMS) or allowed DECnet functionality (in the case of DECnet). So even with V4 you had to do something extra to get DECnet running. Antonio -- Antonio Carlini antonio@acarlini.com<mailto:antonio@acarlini.com>

To my knowledge support for the MicroVAX 3100 started with VMS V5.2 or 5.2-1. Sometimes there was a kind of preliminary support in earlier versions, but the MicroVAX 3100 is definitively not listed in the VMS V5.1 Software Product Description. Unfortunately I do not own an SPD for VMS V5.2 or VMS V5.2-1, which could give the confirmation of official support. Maybe there's info somewhere inther DEC manuals, too. Ulli Am Di., 2. Dez. 2025 um 13:39 Uhr schrieb John H. Reinhardt via cctalk < cctalk(a)classiccmp.org&gt;gt;:

MicroVMS existed up to V4.7, and supported a few older MicroVAX models only: MicroVAX I and MicroVAX II MicroVAX 2000 MicroVAX 3500 and MicroVAX 3600 so none of the newer SCSI supporting MicroVAX 3100s. I know that very well, I managed those systems back in the 80ties, and many of them are in my private collection now. All of the newer models need VMS V5 at least. Ulli Wayne S &lt;wayne.sudol(a)hotmail.com&gt; schrieb am Di., 2. Dez. 2025, 20:33:

See page 1-17 of http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/vax/vms/5.4/Release_Notes/AA-LB22C-TE_VMS_… . There are two DECnet-VAX licenses: • The end node license named DVNETEND • The routing node license named DVNETR