16 Jan
2025
16 Jan
'25
2:07 p.m.
1980's Fanuc tape reader PECs are fitted with two families of connector I am
unfamiliar with : one is used for power and the other for signal connections -further
detail and pictures in the following VCF post
No joy on Burndy website or at BitSavers - wisdom gratefully received
https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/fanuc-pec-connectors-who-is-the-o…
Martin
17 Jan
17 Jan
12:22 a.m.
I don't have any real information, but...
I know Fanuc as a manufacturer of industrial and CNC equipment, not
somputing, and I wouldn't be surprised if those connectors come from
that side of their business. Maybe check industrial suppliers like MSC
and McMasters/Carr?
Doc
On 1/16/25 4:07 PM, Martin Bishop via cctalk wrote:
1980's Fanuc tape reader PECs are fitted with two
families of connector I am unfamiliar with : one is used for power and the other for
signal connections -further detail and pictures in the following VCF post
No joy on Burndy website or at BitSavers - wisdom gratefully received
https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/fanuc-pec-connectors-who-is-the-o…
Martin
3:22 a.m.
Thank you for the suggestions:
- MSC Industrial's view of a connector is a thing for joining hoses together
- McMaster's/Carr are closer to the bone offering several ranges of known (to me) mate
and lock style connectors, potentialy the basis of bodging
In the 1970's / 1980's there was a close connection between CNC and
mini-computers, eg Google offered
https://www.cnc-shopping.co.uk/dec-dlv11-j-asynchronous-serial-line-interfa…
The technology on the PECs is a mix of SSI TTL, MSI LS TTL and early microprocessor, eg
8052, little different to computer peripherals of the period
Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: Doc Shipley via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org]
Sent: 17 January 2025 08:23
To: Martin Bishop via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Cc: Doc Shipley <doc(a)vaxen.net>
Subject: [cctalk] Re: Fanuc Tape Reader PECs 1980's - Connector Identification
I don't have any real information, but...
I know Fanuc as a manufacturer of industrial and CNC equipment, not somputing, and I
wouldn't be surprised if those connectors come from that side of their business.
Maybe check industrial suppliers like MSC and McMasters/Carr?
Doc
On 1/16/25 4:07 PM, Martin Bishop via cctalk wrote:
1980's Fanuc tape reader PECs are fitted with two
families of
connector I am unfamiliar with : one is used for power and the other
for signal connections -further detail and pictures in the following
VCF post
No joy on Burndy website or at BitSavers - wisdom gratefully received
https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/fanuc-pec-connectors-who-is-
the-oem-what-family-are-they-from-and-where-can-i-obtain-pdfs.1251371/
Martin
4:16 a.m.
On 1/17/25 2:22 AM, Doc Shipley via cctalk wrote:
I don't have any real information, but...
I know Fanuc as a manufacturer of industrial and CNC equipment, not
somputing, and I wouldn't be surprised if those connectors come from
that side of their business. Maybe check industrial suppliers like
MSC and McMasters/Carr?
Doc
I have purchased connectors like this from Galco.com
Ed.
5:06 a.m.
Links or OEM / part numbers would be very helpful - Galco have a big warehouse
VMTiA
Martin
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From: Ed via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org]
Sent: 17 January 2025 12:17
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Cc: Ed <atex57(a)mwt.net>
Subject: [cctalk] Re: Fanuc Tape Reader PECs 1980's - Connector Identification
On 1/17/25 2:22 AM, Doc Shipley via cctalk wrote:
I don't have any real information, but...
I know Fanuc as a manufacturer of industrial and CNC equipment, not
somputing, and I wouldn't be surprised if those connectors come from
that side of their business. Maybe check industrial suppliers like
MSC and McMasters/Carr?
Doc
I have purchased connectors like this from Galco.com
Ed.
8:42 a.m.
Ed
Thank you for the nudge, I travelled laterally down the Fanuc bunny hole and found myself
reading the Series 10/11/12 maintenance manual [B-54815E/05] - page 550 et seq has some
connector part numbers. A handy timeline for Fanuc CNC systems can be found at
https://www.cnc1.com/support/learning-center/fanuc-timeline
The free power connector looks to have been a Nihon Burndy SMS3PK-5 back in the day; a
contemporary OEM equivalent seems to be Souriau SMS3P3
The free serial connector looks to be a Honda Connector MR-20LFH (legacy part number), the
contemporary equivalent is on ePay "HONDA MR-20F+MR-20L FANUC I/O Plug Female
Connector"
Happy bunny
Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org]
Sent: 17 January 2025 14:18
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Cc: Ed <atex57(a)mwt.net>
Subject: [cctalk] Re: Fanuc Tape Reader PECs 1980's - Connector Identification
On 1/17/25 7:06 AM, Martin Bishop via cctalk wrote:
Links or OEM / part numbers would be very helpful -
Galco have a big
warehouse
VMTiA
Martin
It was several years ago, no longer have part numbers. Searched for Fanuc cable
connectors.
Ed.
7:50 a.m.
On Fri, 17 Jan 2025, Doc Shipley via cctalk wrote:
I don't have any real information, but...
I know Fanuc as a manufacturer of industrial and CNC equipment, not
somputing, and I wouldn't be surprised if those connectors come from that
side of their business. Maybe check industrial suppliers like MSC and
McMasters/Carr?
It's not unreasonable to see a Fanuc CNC machine of that era equipped with
a paper tape reader.
g.
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7:07 a.m.
On 1/16/25 16:07, Martin Bishop via cctalk wrote:
1980's Fanuc tape reader PECs are fitted with two
families of connector I am unfamiliar with : one is used for power and the other for
signal connections -further detail and pictures in the following VCF post
No joy on Burndy website or at BitSavers - wisdom gratefully received
https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/fanuc-pec-connectors-who-is-the-o…
I believe the serial connector is a Honda part. Not sure if
that is the same Honda that makes cars, but a lot of
Japanese gear uses these. Industrial VCRs and video
cameras, CNC, etc.
Jon
8:43 a.m.
On 2025-01-17 10:07, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
On 1/16/25 16:07, Martin Bishop via cctalk wrote:
I may be clutching at straws here, but Fanuc was a GE company, was it
not? And I know that GE had a relationship with Matsushita back in the
70s. Our local GE rep (Toronto, Canada) offered Matsushita product where
they didn't have a fit. Maybe try looking there?
--
Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU
Amateur Radio, the origin of the open-source concept!
Skype: TILBURY2591
1980's Fanuc tape reader PECs are fitted with
two families of
connector I am unfamiliar with : one is used for power and the other
for signal connections -further detail and pictures in the following
VCF post
No joy on Burndy website or at BitSavers - wisdom gratefully received
https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/fanuc-pec-connectors-who-is-the-o…
I believe the serial connector is a Honda part. Not sure if that is
the same Honda that makes cars, but a lot of Japanese gear uses
these. Industrial VCRs and video cameras, CNC, etc.
Jon
8:52 a.m.
Nigel
Thank you for the suggestion, some time ago I tried engaging with Fanuc UK ...
The Fanuc timeline I linked on a previous post says that the GE tie up was from '86 to
'09
For me the most remarkable thing is that both connector families seem to have survived in
production
Best Regards
Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org]
Sent: 17 January 2025 16:44
To: Jon Elson via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Cc: Nigel Johnson Ham <g4ajq1(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [cctalk] Re: Fanuc Tape Reader PECs 1980's - Connector Identification
On 2025-01-17 10:07, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
On 1/16/25 16:07, Martin Bishop via cctalk wrote:
I may be clutching at straws here, but Fanuc was a GE company, was it not? And I
know that GE had a relationship with Matsushita back in the 70s. Our local GE rep
(Toronto, Canada) offered Matsushita product where they didn't have a fit. Maybe try
looking there?
--
Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU Amateur Radio, the origin of the
open-source concept!
Skype: TILBURY2591
1980's Fanuc tape reader PECs are fitted with
two families of
connector I am unfamiliar with : one is used for power and the other
for signal connections -further detail and pictures in the following
VCF post
No joy on Burndy website or at BitSavers - wisdom gratefully received
https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/fanuc-pec-connectors-who-is
-the-oem-what-family-are-they-from-and-where-can-i-obtain-pdfs.125137
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I believe the serial connector is a Honda part. Not sure if that is
the same Honda that makes cars, but a lot of Japanese gear uses these.
Industrial VCRs and video cameras, CNC, etc.
Jon
9:05 a.m.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254949174184
I believe that this is the one. Used by Fanuc.
--Chuck
9:11 a.m.
Many Thanks; Just ordered something similar - these guys don't ship to the UK
Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Guzis via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org]
Sent: 17 January 2025 17:05
To: Martin Bishop via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Cc: Chuck Guzis <cclist(a)sydex.com>
Subject: [cctalk] Re: Fanuc Tape Reader PECs 1980's - Connector Identification
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254949174184
I believe that this is the one. Used by Fanuc.
--Chuck
9:03 a.m.
On 1/17/25 10:43, Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk wrote:
I may be clutching at straws here, but Fanuc was a GE
company, was it not? And I know that GE had a relationship
with Matsushita back in the 70s. Our local GE rep
(Toronto, Canada) offered Matsushita product where they
didn't have a fit. Maybe try looking there?
In 1986, GE and Fanuc entered a partnership to sell more
modern CNC controls. GE's CNC controls were insanely
old-school, their Mark Century controls used hundreds of
boards with Germanium transistors to do tape NC control. If
you wanted linear interpolation, they added about 100
boards. If you wanted circular interpolation, they added
several hundred more! They eventually did put their own
computer logic in their controls, but they were years behind
the times. Fanuc brought in 8086-vintage processors to the
mix. The partnership was dissolved in 2009.
Fanuc made some really great motors and encoders, but tried
to make everything secret and proprietary after the early
1990's, which made retrofitting older machines quite difficult.
Jon
9:16 a.m.
As you will have gathered my interest is in their paper tape readers, and to date I have
found nothing better than the maintenance / operators manuals.
PEC schematics, and listings/source for their final reel to reel would be paydirt
Best Regards
Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Elson via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org]
Sent: 17 January 2025 17:04
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Cc: Jon Elson <elson(a)pico-systems.com>
Subject: [cctalk] Re: Fanuc Tape Reader PECs 1980's - Connector Identification
On 1/17/25 10:43, Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk wrote:
I may be clutching at straws here, but Fanuc was a GE
company, was it
not? And I know that GE had a relationship with Matsushita back in the
70s. Our local GE rep (Toronto, Canada) offered Matsushita product
where they didn't have a fit. Maybe try looking there?
In 1986, GE and Fanuc entered a partnership to sell more modern CNC controls.
GE's CNC controls were insanely old-school, their Mark Century controls used hundreds
of boards with Germanium transistors to do tape NC control. If you wanted linear
interpolation, they added about 100 boards. If you wanted circular interpolation, they
added several hundred more! They eventually did put their own computer logic in their
controls, but they were years behind the times. Fanuc brought in 8086-vintage processors
to the mix. The partnership was dissolved in 2009.
Fanuc made some really great motors and encoders, but tried to make everything secret and
proprietary after the early 1990's, which made retrofitting older machines quite
difficult.
Jon
8:46 a.m.
Jon
Thank you for the Honda pointer, I got there independently, but your helpful response is
correct and might have been just what I required
Orthogonally, I'm pretty certain that Honda were the OEM for 50w and 68w Scsi ribbon
cable connectors we used in the 90's
Best Regards
Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Elson via cctalk [mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org]
Sent: 17 January 2025 15:07
To: Martin Bishop via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Cc: Jon Elson <elson(a)pico-systems.com>
Subject: [cctalk] Re: Fanuc Tape Reader PECs 1980's - Connector Identification
On 1/16/25 16:07, Martin Bishop via cctalk wrote:
1980's Fanuc tape reader PECs are fitted with two
families of
connector I am unfamiliar with : one is used for power and the other
for signal connections -further detail and pictures in the following
VCF post
No joy on Burndy website or at BitSavers - wisdom gratefully received
https://forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/fanuc-pec-connectors-who-is-
the-oem-what-family-are-they-from-and-where-can-i-obtain-pdfs.1251371
I believe the serial connector is a Honda part. Not sure if that is the same Honda that
makes cars, but a lot of Japanese gear uses these. Industrial VCRs and video cameras,
CNC, etc.
Jon
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