[cctalk] Re: DECnet 5.4 install media

Do you need vms 5.4 for a specific reason? Can you use V4 instead? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2025, at 19:50, Wayne S &lt;wayne.sudol(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote:  There is pakgen.c on the internet 🤔 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2025, at 17:26, Peter Ekstrom via cctalk &lt;cctalk(a)classiccmp.org&gt; wrote: Well, it works when I run VMS 4.4 and DECnet 4.0 so I must have something wrong with the licenses under 5.4. I do have the VAX-VMS and DVNETRTG licenses installed under 5.4 so I was expecting it to work. Back to the drawing board I guess. Thank y'all for responding with suggestions. - Peter On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 7:59 PM Antonio Carlini via cctalk < cctalk(a)classiccmp.org&gt; wrote: On 02/12/2025 00:38, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: Decnet needed a license. I think that probably the license manager is called as part of running any licensed product before you can do anything. If you want to verify that it’s a licensing issue run a version of VMS before V5 and install Decnet. Licensing enforcement came out with version five so anything before that is not enforced. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2025, at 16:18, Peter Ekstrom &lt;epekstrom(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:  It doesn't specify the symbols, just states some or missing. But I ran netconfig.com<http://netconfig.com> and specified the name and decnet address and specified end-node. When I run startnet I get the following (I ran this manually but got it from the startnet.com<http://startnet.com> script): NCP>set known circuit all %NCP-W-OPEFAI, Operation failure Circuit = SVA-0 %SYSTEM-F-NOLICENSE, operation requires software license What license is needed for circuits? - Peter On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 7:08 PM Wayne S &lt;wayne.sudol(a)hotmail.com&lt;mailtomailto: wayne.sudol(a)hotmail.com&gt;&gt; wrote: What symbols? Can you show some here? Maybe you have the wrong install script? Sent from my iPhone Firstly V5 checked the kernel considerably so anything tied deeply to it (like DECnet) would need a new version, the V4.x stuff wouldn't work at all. Although with DECnet, as has been pointed out that shipped with VMS. From V5.0 onwards you would need a PAK (licence PAK). You need one for VMS too, but it at least lets you log in once or maybe twice, so that you can enter the required licence PAK(s). For DECnet you get (IIRC) nothing without a licence PAK. Same for clustering and volume shadowing. So you are probably missing just a licence PAK for DECnet. Before V5 most things just ran, but both VMS and DECnet had licence tapes that increased the number of users allowed (in the case of VMS) or allowed DECnet functionality (in the case of DECnet). So even with V4 you had to do something extra to get DECnet running. Antonio -- Antonio Carlini antonio(a)acarlini.com