Broken monitor hinges. All sort of madness. No screws. No structural integrity whatsoever. But the sucker works. Assuming you glue it all to the point it'll sit up strait on it's lonesomes, plan on an external mouse and keyboard (kb works though afaik).
You pay shipping from 08758. Check or m.o. only.
So I have an MSV11-QC (the 4gb Q Bus memory board) that has a failed
bit. On an 11/73 it throws the following error:
Expected data = 125252 (1010 1010 1010 1010
Bad data = 121252 (1010 0010 1010 1010)
Address = 10015140
Which puts the error in the top 2mb (1mw), bit 4000. No biggie,
consulting the matrix at:
https://gunkies.org/wiki/MSV11-Q_QBUS_memory
Shows this to be bank 4, bit 4000 or E85.
Cut out E85, popped the board in (to double check before replacing) and
I see this:
Expected data = 125252
Bad data = 121252
Address = 02015140
Ooops. That would be decimal 531,040 which puts it in bank 1? Which
should be E88, where did I go wrong here?
Or is the table for the MSV11-Q only valid for the 64k ones and not the
256k ones? If so the bits may be right, but the banks are different.
Anyone want to cross-check this or my maths?
Thanks!
CZ
PS: Sorry if duplicates are getting sent to the list. I'm retiring
cz(a)alembic.crystel.com and replacing it with cz(a)beaker.crystel.com. If
the list manager could update my email I would appreciate!
Ben
I think you have the essence of a solution, using the Unix filter paradigm at user or driver level.
Your desire to retain the original file format(s) is very sensible, it is always best to record "raw" data - for the greatest fidelity.
The ISO 7-layer model provides a paradigm for data transport/storage formats and derived (presentation) formats.
Good luck with the weather
Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: ben [mailto:bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca]
Sent: 01 January 2023 14:27
To: Martin Bishop <mjd.bishop(a)emeritus-solutions.com>; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: [cctalk] Re: How to print old files.
On 2023-01-01 6:53 a.m., Martin Bishop wrote:
> Folks - wishing all a Good New Year
>
> Ben
> The first ingredient must be a printer with a a suitable font table, in these times of soft fonts that should be a given or tractable.
> The second element is to convert to and use an MCS / multibyte character representation - which can differentiate _ ^ and the desired arrow marks.
> To do this you could:
> - load the file into an editor, save it in MCS format, perform the
> necessary substitutions (two global replaces)
> - write a program / script to achieve the same effect, read char and convert/translate to MCS octets.
> Note. It is just possible you will find a font with the arrows in the upper 128 glyphs of 8 bit "ascii", in which case you can skip the MCS conversion.
> HtH
>
> Martin
A filter of some kind is needed.
With the rise of emulators for old machines,I can see text being written with terminal emulation of the orginal i/o devices, but that leaves printing or tranfering text files a problem.
JOE could have a REAL - big iron 67, SAM runs windows 2000, TOM has a micro VAX. Every thing gets dumped to the cloud.
One must keep data as files, none of this crappy mess that this modern 'buy a app' to print,or read.
How does one share binary and paper tape/cards as files?
Ben.
PS: Back to inventing big iron 67.
tag line: Cloud computing delayed to to bad weather, server is under 3 feet of snow.
So I have an MSV11-QC (the 4gb Q Bus memory board) that has a failed
bit. On an 11/73 it throws the following error:
Expected data = 125252 (1010 1010 1010 1010
Bad data = 121252 (1010 0010 1010 1010)
Address = 10015140
Which puts the error in the top 2mb (1mw), bit 4000. No biggie,
consulting the matrix at:
https://gunkies.org/wiki/MSV11-Q_QBUS_memory
Shows this to be bank 4, bit 4000 or E85.
Cut out E85, popped the board in (to double check before replacing) and
I see this:
Expected data = 125252
Bad data = 121252
Address = 02015140
Ooops. That would be decimal 531,040 which puts it in bank 1? Which
should be E88, where did I go wrong here?
Or is the table for the MSV11-Q only valid for the 64k ones and not the
256k ones? If so the bits may be right, but the banks are different.
Anyone want to cross-check this or my maths?
Thanks!
CZ
I recently got an Osborne 1a, which needed a lot of cleaning and had probably been stored in a barn for some time. After getting the drive parts to move freely again and removing a blown cap on the power supply, the machine will start up and the screen is green, although it's just showing some random characters. I understand from someone's advice that some RAM may have gone bad. At this point I'm not sure if I should continue to try to get this going, or just resign it to someone with better resources for diagnosing the issues. If anyone has some advice for moving forward with this, I'd be interested to listen. Some context: this is my first such restoration endeavor. Thanks - Steve
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> 1. Re: Saturn-Calc (Mark Matlock)
> 2. Restoring unknown format backup tapes (John Herron)
> 3. Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 147, Issue 1 (Malcolm Macleod)
> 4. Re: Restoring unknown format backup tapes (Chuck Guzis)
> 5. Re: Restoring unknown format backup tapes (Bill Degnan)
> 6. Re: Restoring unknown format backup tapes (John-Paul Stewart)
> 7. Re: Saturn-Calc (Kenneth Gober)
> 8. Re: Restoring unknown format backup tapes (Chuck Guzis)
> 9. Re: SGI vs. Mac (Christian Liendo)
> 10. Re: Saturn-Calc (Chris Zach)
> 11. How to print old files. (ben)
> 12. Re: How to print old files. (Hugh Pyle)
> 13. Re: How to print old files. (Scott LaBombard)
> 14. Re: Manual for MDB MLSI-LP11 (Douglas Taylor)
> 15. Re: Saturn-Calc (Douglas Taylor)
> 16. Re: Saturn-Calc (Bill Gunshannon)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 13:40:38 -0600
> From: Mark Matlock <mark(a)matlockfamily.com>
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Saturn-Calc
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID: <20082909-144D-498A-A264-51CB187B9325(a)matlockfamily.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
> > On Dec 30, 2022, at 12:00 PM, cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > My 11/73 restoration has got to the point that I am loading stuff from RT11 backups, and I have a lot of Saturn-calc and wp data that I would like to see again. My licensed copy and the manual are long gone!
> >
> > I downloaded some RX02 images posted by Mark Matlock, but the disks appear to be all zeroes where I expect the directory to be.
> >
> > Does anybody know of a source?
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Nigel
>
> Nigel,
> I’ve been trying to find a working distribution for PDP-11 Saturn-Calc and Graph for some years now. I had a licensed copy many years ago for RSX11M but it no longer works. I do have a working copy of Saturn-Calc and Graph (but not WP) for VMS on my MV3100-80 but not the VMS distribution.
>
> I have managed to contact the lead programmer that developed Saturn’s software through a former president of the company. The programmer believes he has a copy of the source code for PDP-11 and VAX on a CDROM that is in a storage unit. He has retired overseas and come back home where the storage unit is a couple times a year and I’m hoping he can find the CDROM on his next trip back. I can keep you posted on our progress in trying to recover this software. It helps that the programmer is interested in making the Saturn products available as it may need to be recompiled or at least relinked to be compatible with the newest versions of PDP-11 operating systems with Y2K etc.
>
> We thought we had it recovered a couple years ago when nine RX50 floppies were found in Australia that were from a distributor that could be used to generate new customer distributions, but there was no documentation and some info was missing. Also, manuals for the Saturn products have not been scanned so we are looking for them as well.
>
> If you had some specific Saturn Calc spreadsheets that you wanted data extracted from, I might be able to help you with my working VMS version of Calc. Saturn Calc was a great product that we used a great deal back in the day. The Saturn Graph product supported VT340s with the mouse and could generate plots a wide variety of HP and other plotters, printers, etc.
>
> Best Regards,
> Mark
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 14:17:40 -0600
> From: John Herron <barythrin(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: [cctalk] Restoring unknown format backup tapes
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID:
> <CAEOGs+jg=e6d4NQVz3+sn61Zw3naJXAWoP0SWyGfBg=N2N+kpw(a)mail.gmail.com>
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>
> This may be a larger conversation than I intend but how would you all
> generally start if you ha backup tapes that you wanted to try and
> read/restore?
>
> Supposedly they're Amiga qic tapes. I'm a little worried about the
> structural integrity of the tapes. Not knowing what software was used,
> would this be a literal job for something like tar via a Linux system? Then
> see if I can interpret the dump and sort out files afterwards?
>
> I might see if a local group wants to help play with this effort since I
> think I only have 1 drive in unknown condition.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 08:49:35 +1100
> From: "Malcolm Macleod" <malcolm(a)avitech.com.au>
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 147, Issue 1
> To: <g4ajq1(a)gmail.com>
> Cc: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Message-ID: <0edb01d91c98$9d4d8410$d7e88c30$(a)avitech.com.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> >Message: 4
> >Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 07:23:28 -0500
> >From: Nigel Johnson Ham <g4ajq1(a)gmail.com>
> >Subject: [cctalk] Saturn-Calc
> >To: cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> >Message-ID: <4c5f94c9-7406-f409-cbee-0fb6299618ac(a)gmail.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >My 11/73 restoration has got to the point that I am loading stuff from
> >RT11 backups, and I have a lot of Saturn-calc and wp data that I would like
> to see again. My licensed copy and the manual are long gone!
> >
> >I downloaded some RX02 images posted by Mark Matlock, but the disks appear
> to be all zeroes where I expect the directory to be.
> >
> >Does anybody know of a source?
> >
> >cheers,
> >
> >Nigel
>
> Hi Nigel,
>
> I have what appears to be a complete set of RX50 disks for CAL, WPS and GRF.
>
> Images are here -> http://avitech.com.au/?page_id=2570
>
> I haven't tried them.
>
> Regards,
> Malcolm
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 17:01:35 -0800
> From: Chuck Guzis <cclist(a)sydex.com>
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Restoring unknown format backup tapes
> To: John Herron via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID: <67281402-437f-ebdf-777b-2f8006e751e3(a)sydex.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On 12/30/22 12:17, John Herron via cctalk wrote:
> > This may be a larger conversation than I intend but how would you all
> > generally start if you ha backup tapes that you wanted to try and
> > read/restore?
> >
> > Supposedly they're Amiga qic tapes. I'm a little worried about the
> > structural integrity of the tapes. Not knowing what software was used,
> > would this be a literal job for something like tar via a Linux system? Then
> > see if I can interpret the dump and sort out files afterwards?
> >
> > I might see if a local group wants to help play with this effort since I
> > think I only have 1 drive in unknown condition.
> The tape substrate itself, being mylar, is very durable, but it's toast
> if stretched. Most likely, the internal tension band has either gone
> slack or has broken and should be replaced, or else tape tangles can
> result. Most importantly, details are necessary (what kind of carts,
> what drive manufacturer and model, etc.) There are lots of potential
> variations. To be frank, I hate the damned stuff.
>
> --Chuck
>
>
> --
> --Chuck
>
> Sent from my digital computer
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 20:37:01 -0500
> From: Bill Degnan <billdegnan(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Restoring unknown format backup tapes
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID:
> <CABGJBuds2rt87icXc0qNmT1iosW0Bz1Jcn6OCXjFnEr_3kQ52A(a)mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> THere were certain tape manufacturers and plastic/metal clip marks and wear
> patters that were typical of certain types of drives reading certain types
> of tapes. Maybe high resolution photos of a few used tapes will reveal
> clues. A tape ejected 30 times will have certain patterns of wear in
> certain places. I have lots of different types of tapes, I am happy to
> compare your used tape photos with anything I might have that would be
> similar.
> Not a guaranteed solution, but it might help narrow down candidate systems.
> Bill
>
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 8:01 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
> cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > On 12/30/22 12:17, John Herron via cctalk wrote:
> > > This may be a larger conversation than I intend but how would you all
> > > generally start if you ha backup tapes that you wanted to try and
> > > read/restore?
> > >
> > > Supposedly they're Amiga qic tapes. I'm a little worried about the
> > > structural integrity of the tapes. Not knowing what software was used,
> > > would this be a literal job for something like tar via a Linux system?
> > Then
> > > see if I can interpret the dump and sort out files afterwards?
> > >
> > > I might see if a local group wants to help play with this effort since I
> > > think I only have 1 drive in unknown condition.
> > The tape substrate itself, being mylar, is very durable, but it's toast
> > if stretched. Most likely, the internal tension band has either gone
> > slack or has broken and should be replaced, or else tape tangles can
> > result. Most importantly, details are necessary (what kind of carts,
> > what drive manufacturer and model, etc.) There are lots of potential
> > variations. To be frank, I hate the damned stuff.
> >
> > --Chuck
> >
> >
> > --
> > --Chuck
> >
> > Sent from my digital computer
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 20:02:37 -0500
> From: John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart(a)personalprojects.net>
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Restoring unknown format backup tapes
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Message-ID:
> <dc496dec-d5f3-a71a-ce7c-a808488e062e(a)personalprojects.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On 12/30/22 15:17, John Herron via cctalk wrote:
> > This may be a larger conversation than I intend but how would you all
> > generally start if you ha backup tapes that you wanted to try and
> > read/restore?
> >
> > Supposedly they're Amiga qic tapes. I'm a little worried about the
> > structural integrity of the tapes. Not knowing what software was used,
> > would this be a literal job for something like tar via a Linux system? Then
> > see if I can interpret the dump and sort out files afterwards?
>
> It is unlikely that the tapes are in tar format, so tar on Linux won't
> help. The chance that they are in tar format is much higher if they're
> from Amix (Amiga Unix) instead of AmigaOS.
>
> There is a better possibility that the tapes were created by BRU since
> AmigaOS 2.x (and maybe later) included a version of that. BRU is now
> Argest Backup, if you need to go down that road.
>
> It is also possible that the tapes were created with any of the many
> third-party backup applications that existed for AmigaOS.
>
> In any case, using dd (not tar) on Linux to copy the tapes to disk to
> "interpret" and "sort out files afterwards" is at least a starting point.
>
> Other list members are better qualified to comment on the physical
> aspects of doing that without destroying the fragile old tapes.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 21:03:37 -0500
> From: Kenneth Gober <kgober(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Saturn-Calc
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID:
> <CANHrbpei_uoTLKAF8a9Et_gBrXXJjsTZnsKoZDzhguHTvPFMFA(a)mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 7:23 AM Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk <
> cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > I downloaded some RX02 images posted by Mark Matlock, but the disks
> > appear to be all zeroes where I expect the directory to be.
> >
>
> Is it possible the images are 'physical' disk images rather than 'logical'
> disk images and have
> sector interleaving applied? That can cause things to appear in odd places.
>
> -ken
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 18:04:06 -0800
> From: Chuck Guzis <cclist(a)sydex.com>
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Restoring unknown format backup tapes
> To: Bill Degnan via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID: <46b41622-ce30-28f7-5357-ea2623bda12b(a)sydex.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On 12/30/22 17:37, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
> > THere were certain tape manufacturers and plastic/metal clip marks and wear
> > patters that were typical of certain types of drives reading certain types
> > of tapes. Maybe high resolution photos of a few used tapes will reveal
> > clues. A tape ejected 30 times will have certain patterns of wear in
> > certain places. I have lots of different types of tapes, I am happy to
> > compare your used tape photos with anything I might have that would be
> > similar.
> > Not a guaranteed solution, but it might help narrow down candidate systems.
> > Bill
> >
> Heck, I'd just unspool a bit of the stuff, drop some Kyread on it and
> have a gander with the old microscope. That can at least tell me how
> many tracks are involved.
>
> But being a quarter-inch cartridge leaves a lot of ground open. For
> instance, what if these tapes are Iotaamat-formatted? A regular QIC
> drive will have nothing to do with them. There were other manufacturers
> (Cipher 525) comes to mind that do not use standard formatting
> techniques. On some of the later 8mm Travan carts, the tape is
> will-o'-the-wisp thin.
>
> FWIW,
> Chuck
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 22:48:23 -0500
> From: Christian Liendo <cliendo(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: SGI vs. Mac
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Cc: skogkatt007(a)yahoo.com
> Message-ID:
> <CAA9iAfuBwoa7+MkU=zU64ktOoQKA5Cx6KAFVM0vMqrL7W7+aCQ(a)mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> I went to Onyx2/Origin 2000 training in Mountain View in the building that
> is now the Computer History Museum and I met a lot of Gov folks but I also
> met a lot of oil people who used SGIs to crunch data. At the time no one
> could touch them but that too changed
>
> As for workstations the one I remember being a real competitor was
> Intergraph. They had dual pentium pro boxes with proprietary cards that ran
> NT and Softimage. Microsoft bought Softimage to compete with SGI and SGI
> bought Alias Wavefront
>
> On Sat, Dec 24, 2022, 4:15 PM Ethan O'Toole via cctalk <
> cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > Really without the US government as a customer I wonder how many of these
> > companies could have made it on industry alone.
> >
> > - Ethan
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 23:44:03 -0500
> From: Chris Zach <cz(a)alembic.crystel.com>
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Saturn-Calc
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Message-ID: <f8b7c3ed-3b2c-1cbd-352e-5a683d697610(a)alembic.crystel.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> I think I have TSX/RX02 versions of Saturn stuff out there already.
> Where is it....
>
> Ah here: https://www.crystel.com/pdp/
>
> Wow, I have a dsm11 disk image there too? Weird. And the XT Tool kit
> guide (prior to when it was called the Pro/350).
>
> Let me know if those contain anything interesting.
>
> Chris
>
> On 12/30/2022 9:03 PM, Kenneth Gober via cctalk wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 7:23 AM Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk <
> > cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I downloaded some RX02 images posted by Mark Matlock, but the disks
> >> appear to be all zeroes where I expect the directory to be.
> >>
> > Is it possible the images are 'physical' disk images rather than 'logical'
> > disk images and have
> > sector interleaving applied? That can cause things to appear in odd
> > places.
> >
> > -ken
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 02:00:22 -0700
> From: ben <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
> Subject: [cctalk] How to print old files.
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> Message-ID: <77511893-b967-7349-2bb0-a6d0f7af2905(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> How do you print old files in ASCII 63 to modern devices, so you keep
> the ← and ↑ 's
>
> and not printing _ and ^ ?
>
> Ben.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 09:33:35 -0500
> From: Hugh Pyle <hpyle(a)cabezal.com>
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: How to print old files.
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID:
> <CALvn94+WB5mOiNSer6Gsm2t-2=wUnFoTg9Hi7tXZv6m2VZEAmw(a)mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> There's a 'Teleprinter' font, which is close, but doesn't include the
> backward arrow:
> https://web.archive.org/web/20000819043545/ourworld.compuserve.com/homepage…
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 31, 2022 at 4:00 AM ben via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > How do you print old files in ASCII 63 to modern devices, so you keep
> > the ← and ↑ 's
> >
> > and not printing _ and ^ ?
> >
> > Ben.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 14:56:24 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Scott LaBombard <labomb_s(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: How to print old files.
> To: ben via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Message-ID: <1139967668.3339176.1672498584861(a)mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I remember having to do something like that some years ago. If the ASCII file isn't too long and you can manage with manual edits, you can load the document into an editor that supports 'alt' codes. On Windows, I just tried Microsoft Word.
> Hold the alt key down and enter the 2-digit code (on the numeric keypad) for the symbol you wish... ↑ is 24, and ← is 27. Just did a quick test and both printed fine on my HP printer, although as I recall the resulting symbols didn't look quite like the arrows in the original document.
> On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 04:00:33 AM EST, ben via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> How do you print old files in ASCII 63 to modern devices, so you keep
> the ← and ↑ 's
>
> and not printing _ and ^ ?
>
> Ben.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 11:23:57 -0500
> From: Douglas Taylor <dj.taylor4(a)comcast.net>
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Manual for MDB MLSI-LP11
> To: Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
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> On 12/29/2022 9:33 AM, Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk wrote:
> > My re-build of a BA23 11/73 system continues. I have one of these MDB
> > printer controllers but cannot make it do anything more that home page
> > on the laser using RT-11
> >
> > Does anybody have a manual or know where I can download one.
> >
> > An extensive search using google just brings up a data sheet.
> >
> > Happy New Year to all,
> >
> > Nigel
> >
> >
> I remember having a 11/03 system at work back in 1984 that had an
> attached printer with what looked like an ordinary parallel printer
> connector. However, the signal protocols for the printer interface were
> different than the standard parallel interface everyone was using on
> their PC's. I think they were close but you needed a printer that
> understood the DEC protocols. Shouldn't be surprising to anyone from
> that era.
>
> Doug
>
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 11:28:25 -0500
> From: Douglas Taylor <dj.taylor4(a)comcast.net>
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Saturn-Calc
> To: Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
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> On 12/30/2022 7:23 AM, Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > My 11/73 restoration has got to the point that I am loading stuff from
> > RT11 backups, and I have a lot of Saturn-calc and wp data that I would
> > like to see again. My licensed copy and the manual are long gone!
> >
> > I downloaded some RX02 images posted by Mark Matlock, but the disks
> > appear to be all zeroes where I expect the directory to be.
> >
> > Does anybody know of a source?
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Nigel
> >
> >
> I have some DEC format 8 inch floppies from the mid 1980's that may have
> Saturn WP on it. It rings a bell, I think I had a copy at one time.
> Long, long time ago. I can't read the floppies (got no drive), anyone
> in the Wash DC area that can read them would help.
>
> Doug
>
>
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>
> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 11:39:04 -0500
> From: Bill Gunshannon <bill.gunshannon(a)hotmail.com>
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Saturn-Calc
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
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> On 12/31/22 11:28, Douglas Taylor via cctalk wrote:
> > On 12/30/2022 7:23 AM, Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> My 11/73 restoration has got to the point that I am loading stuff from
> >> RT11 backups, and I have a lot of Saturn-calc and wp data that I would
> >> like to see again. My licensed copy and the manual are long gone!
> >>
> >> I downloaded some RX02 images posted by Mark Matlock, but the disks
> >> appear to be all zeroes where I expect the directory to be.
> >>
> >> Does anybody know of a source?
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >>
> >> Nigel
> >>
> >>
> > I have some DEC format 8 inch floppies from the mid 1980's that may have
> > Saturn WP on it. It rings a bell, I think I had a copy at one time.
> > Long, long time ago. I can't read the floppies (got no drive), anyone
> > in the Wash DC area that can read them would help.
>
> Tim Shoppa?
>
> bill
>
>
>
> End of cctalk Digest, Vol 148, Issue 1
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Hi all,
My 11/73 restoration has got to the point that I am loading stuff from
RT11 backups, and I have a lot of Saturn-calc and wp data that I would
like to see again. My licensed copy and the manual are long gone!
I downloaded some RX02 images posted by Mark Matlock, but the disks
appear to be all zeroes where I expect the directory to be.
Does anybody know of a source?
cheers,
Nigel
--
Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU
Amateur Radio, the origin of the open-source concept!
Skype: TILBURY2591
My re-build of a BA23 11/73 system continues. I have one of these MDB
printer controllers but cannot make it do anything more that home page
on the laser using RT-11
Does anybody have a manual or know where I can download one.
An extensive search using google just brings up a data sheet.
Happy New Year to all,
Nigel
--
Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU
Amateur Radio, the origin of the open-source concept!
Skype: TILBURY2591
An Indy for instance, is it much faster then a similarly clocked PowerMac? What about an Indigo 2 IMPACT 10000. Does that blow most PMs away?
Anyone using an I2 or Indy with regularity? I have a purple box somewhere. I foumd the teal boxes much more visually appealing.
>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2022 07:23:28 -0500
>From: Nigel Johnson Ham <g4ajq1(a)gmail.com>
>Subject: [cctalk] Saturn-Calc
>To: cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>Message-ID: <4c5f94c9-7406-f409-cbee-0fb6299618ac(a)gmail.com>
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>
>Hi all,
>
>My 11/73 restoration has got to the point that I am loading stuff from
>RT11 backups, and I have a lot of Saturn-calc and wp data that I would like
to see again. My licensed copy and the manual are long gone!
>
>I downloaded some RX02 images posted by Mark Matlock, but the disks appear
to be all zeroes where I expect the directory to be.
>
>Does anybody know of a source?
>
>cheers,
>
>Nigel
Hi Nigel,
I have what appears to be a complete set of RX50 disks for CAL, WPS and GRF.
Images are here -> http://avitech.com.au/?page_id=2570
I haven't tried them.
Regards,
Malcolm
> On Dec 30, 2022, at 12:00 PM, cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> My 11/73 restoration has got to the point that I am loading stuff from RT11 backups, and I have a lot of Saturn-calc and wp data that I would like to see again. My licensed copy and the manual are long gone!
>
> I downloaded some RX02 images posted by Mark Matlock, but the disks appear to be all zeroes where I expect the directory to be.
>
> Does anybody know of a source?
>
> cheers,
>
> Nigel
Nigel,
I’ve been trying to find a working distribution for PDP-11 Saturn-Calc and Graph for some years now. I had a licensed copy many years ago for RSX11M but it no longer works. I do have a working copy of Saturn-Calc and Graph (but not WP) for VMS on my MV3100-80 but not the VMS distribution.
I have managed to contact the lead programmer that developed Saturn’s software through a former president of the company. The programmer believes he has a copy of the source code for PDP-11 and VAX on a CDROM that is in a storage unit. He has retired overseas and come back home where the storage unit is a couple times a year and I’m hoping he can find the CDROM on his next trip back. I can keep you posted on our progress in trying to recover this software. It helps that the programmer is interested in making the Saturn products available as it may need to be recompiled or at least relinked to be compatible with the newest versions of PDP-11 operating systems with Y2K etc.
We thought we had it recovered a couple years ago when nine RX50 floppies were found in Australia that were from a distributor that could be used to generate new customer distributions, but there was no documentation and some info was missing. Also, manuals for the Saturn products have not been scanned so we are looking for them as well.
If you had some specific Saturn Calc spreadsheets that you wanted data extracted from, I might be able to help you with my working VMS version of Calc. Saturn Calc was a great product that we used a great deal back in the day. The Saturn Graph product supported VT340s with the mouse and could generate plots a wide variety of HP and other plotters, printers, etc.
Best Regards,
Mark
