My apologies if this topic is a sore point for some of you. Their abrupt
closing wasn't that long ago.
Does anybody have any insight on what is going on there? The web site has
not been updated in about 2.5 years. The world seems to be moving on; it
would be nice to know if we're ever going to see the museum re-open, and in
what capacity.
I realize the people are gone and scattered and it's never going to be the
same experience if it re-opens. But there are plenty of us who still
believe in the need for such a place, and starting from scratch would be
difficult.
-Mike
(Off-list replies are welcomed if that makes the discussion easier ...)
>Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 20:44:34 -0700
>From: Stan Sieler <sieler(a)allegrosupport.com>
>Subject: [cctalk] list problem with digestmode
>
>Hi,
>
>Is anyone else getting 4 to 10 digest emails a day, each with 4 to 8
>messages?
>(cctalk) (Instead of one a day)
<snip>
>Stan Sieler
Same here. I have not changed my email service, so that is not the cause. The change began when the new list server went online.
Bob
Hi,
Is anyone else getting 4 to 10 digest emails a day, each with 4 to 8
messages?
(cctalk) (Instead of one a day)
I have received four digest emails since noon: 2:57PM (8 msgs), 3:47 PM (7
msgs), 5:44 PM (7 msgs), and 8:24 PM (6 msgs). (Yes, all embedded messages
are different.)
I tried emailing the list owner, but the only response I got was from a
moderator (Lawrence W, who specifically said he wasn't the owner), who
wasn't able to help me. (He did suggest checking my mode...see below.)
I tried going to the website to "login" and check my status...it said my
email address wasn't known (which, of course, was patently false...since
I'm receiving emails :)
So, I tried: subscribe with sieler(a)allegro.com, ensure I have 'digest' mode
on.
And.....still get multiple messages per day ... *not* what a digest is!
This started happening on the order of 3 to 6 months ago. I used to get a
single digest a day, with 20 to 50 messages in it.
The multiple messages (even though they're smaller) are really annoying.
As a possible clue...somewhere around March we (my business partner and I)
sold our domain, allegro.com, in the process of retiring. The new owner is
providing two years of email forwarding of sieler(a)allegro.com to
sieler(a)allegrosupport.com (the latter is a gmail corporate managed account,
as allegro.com had been prior to March). (Oh, I tried "logging" in via
both domains with no luck.)
If the forwarding is a factor, I could try to get allegro/allegrosupport
unsubscribed and use a third account :)
thanks!
Stan Sieler
sieler(a)allegro.com
sieler(a)allegrosupport.com
sieler(a)gmail.com
From: Gavin Scott <gavin(a)learn.bio>
Subject: [cctalk] 50 Years of the HP 3000
> Well, here we are. If you boot up a classic HP 3000 system and simply
> hit return when it asks you for the date and time, it will default to:
As it turns out, I have a complete, working HP 3000 917/LX system, with
printers, a line printer with stand, 14-port terminal concentrator, four HP
700-series terminals (one new in box, one likely dead), SCSI disk storage
module with a couple of 2GB drives, DAT drive, and all of the necessary
cables. It all seems to work perfectly (with the exception of the one
worn-out terminal), and I booted it up a couple of months ago with no
problems. The passwords have been removed from the MANAGER.SYS account, so
the system is now wide open. There's also some software: ASK/ManMan,
FORTRAN, and of course TurboIMAGE and Query; also a copy of Reflection
(Windows emulator for HP terminals). There's also in excess of 100 pounds
of documentation, and some boxes of paper, including green-bar (remember
that?).
The thing is, despite aspirations from my youth, I really don't need a
complete timesharing computer system in my house, so I'm looking to sell the
whole thing as a package. It seems possible that someone on this list might
be interested, and I'm also open to suggestions about other places I could
list it. I took it to the west coast Vintage Computer Faire this year, and
there were several nibbles, but obviously I still have it. It's currently
located in the San Francisco Bay area, but I commute semi-regularly between
there and Portland OR, and could be fairly easily persuaded to deliver it
anywhere in either of those areas, or in between. (The system will fit in a
mini-van - barely - or comfortably in a full-sized pick-up truck with room
to spare.) I'd like to see $2000, but will cheerfully entertain offers
(cheerfully if they're reasonable, or met with hysterical laughter if not).
Feel free to contact me off-list if you'd like more details and/or pictures.
Thanks!
~~
Mark Moulding
I have a box here of 14 DZ11 Unibus 8 line serial port interfaces. And I
have no clue why I have them.
Anyone need some? Otherwise I'll Ebay/recycle them.
CZ
Well, here we are. If you boot up a classic HP 3000 system and simply
hit return when it asks you for the date and time, it will default to:
HP32002E.01.00
WHICH OPTION <WARMSTART/COOLSTART>? COO
ANY CHANGES? N
DATE (M/D/Y)?
WED, NOV 1, 1972, 12:00 AM
LOG FILE NUMBER 64 ON
*WELCOME*
:HELLO OPERATOR.SYS;HIPRI
0:00/13/SP#6/SPOOLED OUT
0:00/#S1/14/LOGON FOR: OPERATOR.SYS,OPERATOR ON LDEV #20
HP3000 / MPE V E.01.00 (BASE E.01.00). WED, NOV 1, 1972, 12:00 AM
which is exactly 50 years ago today. November 1972 was the month that
the very first HP 3000 systems were shipped to customers. Shortly
after this, those initial deliveries were all hastily recalled when it
quickly became clear that they were not yet capable of living up to
their specifications. The 3000 however would go on to recover from
this event and eventually became one of HP's most successful and
profitable product lines, and one of the most beloved computer systems
of all time, regularly beating out IBM, DEC, DG, and others in
customer satisfaction surveys.
For some stories about the earliest days of the platform, I refer you
to the words of Bob Green http://www.robelle.com/smugbook/classic.html
and Bill Foster http://www.teamfoster.com/hewlett-packard who were
there.
The original "Classic" CISC HP 3000 systems live on today through Dave
Bryan's most excellent SIMH simulation
http://simh.trailing-edge.com/hp/ and I have a turn-key setup which
will let you have your own 1980-vintage HP 3000 system up and running
in a couple minutes which is downloadable from my Google Drive at
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16vaNUrmfs2aQpjdQijG4PZmJaNu3hfcz
(Save the zip file using the download link in the upper right then
extract it anywhere convenient and see the README file for further
instructions) This only includes a SIMH binary for Windows, but you
can also build a SIMH executable from Dave Bryan's source above for
your platform of choice and use the rest of my infrastructure.
MPE Forever.
G.
The LCM has some of stuff (a Zenith Z150 PC computer, including monitor and an early paged memory expansion that I installed, a couple of Apple IIc computers and monitors, a printer, but probably more important, a bunch of original MS-DOS software diskettes and manuals from the mid-1980s to the mid-1990s (including several versions of MS-DOS, FORTRAN, MS Word for DOS, an early version of Lotus-123, and other earlier software) that I used to complete my doctoral degree and first start my college teaching position.
But I understood at the time that Paul's LCM was actually "buying" my computer stuff, as they reached out to me in interest to acquire the entire lot of materials (after I had emailed an availability list to this very same cctalk group) and accepted the prices I requested without question as I recall, plus I was reimbursed for all shipping costs. And so I interpreted the transaction at the time that I no longer had rights (other than visitation rights should I ever visited Seattle) to these items.
I may be unclear in my understanding from the time, but at the same time none of what the LCM received from me was so rare or unique as to my wanting to ever request it back again. I was thankful at the time that I had a place for this computer stuff to go. I would be sad, however, if any of it might be now in a dumpster or landfill, or has been sold to someone else, and so I guess I also don't want to hear that news either way.
Kevin Anderson
Dubuque, Iowa
The LCM has some of stuff (a Zenith Z150 PC computer, including monitor and an early paged memory expansion that I installed, a couple of Apple IIc computers and monitors, a printer, but probably more important, a bunch of original MS-DOS software diskettes and manuals from the mid-1980s to the mid-1990s (including several versions of MS-DOS, FORTRAN, MS Word for DOS, an early version of Lotus-123, and other earlier software) that I used to complete my doctoral degree and first start my college teaching position.
But I understood at the time that Paul's LCM was actually "buying" my computer stuff, as they reached out to me in interest to acquire the entire lot of materials (after I had emailed an availability list to this very same cctalk group) and accepted the prices I requested without question as I recall, plus I was reimbursed for all shipping costs. And so I interpreted the transaction at the time that I no longer had rights (other than visitation rights should I ever visited Seattle) to these items.
I may be unclear in my understanding from the time, but at the same time none of what the LCM received from me was so rare or unique as to my wanting to ever request it back again. I was thankful at the time that I had a place for this computer stuff to go. I would be sad, however, if any of it might be now in a dumpster or landfill, or has been sold to someone else, and so I guess I also don't want to hear that news either way.
Kevin Anderson
Dubuque, Iowa
Hi,
Does anyone have a copy of DAEMON Tools Ultra 4.x install file(s)?
I just purchased a lifetime license based on the documentation on their
site. The problem is that they don't have 4.x available for download.
I just need the install files and I'll use my personal license.
N.B. I need this to work on an ancient Windows XP system that I'm
messing with as part of retro computing.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
