Network cards and Win98SE

wrcooke at wrcooke at
Tue May 14 14:04:07 CDT 2019

Perhaps this discussion would be a good candidate for private email?

> On May 14, 2019 at 1:58 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk <cctalk at> wrote:
> On 5/14/19 12:16 PM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
> > No, not really. The OP was trying to get wifi working on Win98. That's 
> > not the same thing.
> The letter of what the OP wanted was WiFi. I took the spirit of what 
> the OP wanted was network.
> > You jumped to a conclusion.
> No I did not.
> I responded to comment where someone else said "you may want to consider 
> … using a cheap wifi-equipped micro as a network bridge".
> I stated "IMHO the OPZ would be functioning as what I think are commonly 
> called 'gaming adapters'. It functions as the wireless client to 
> connect the wired Ethernet client." The key points being:
>  - "IMHO" meaning in my humble opinion - "functioning as" meaning doing the same / similar thing as - "what I /think/" as in what I believe but could be wrong about - "commonly called" as in not always - "it functions as a wireless client to connect the wired Ethernet 
> client." as in it's a way to connect a wired only device to a wireless 
> network.
> > Then, you declared, rudely, the OP that they should buy something,
> How does "OPZ would be functioning as" translate to the OP should buy 
> something?
> > by repeatedly, derisively, using a name that might be meaningful to 
> > millennial gamers,
> Many of the people in my community are decidedly outside of the 
> millennial gamers group and know what a gaming adapter is.
> I have no idea what age range people on this mailing list are—I honestly 
> don't care—but I strongly suspect that more people now know what a 
> gaming adapter is than did so before the start of this thread.
> > but is _not_ to a bunch of old-timer high-level techies.
> Please don't conflate age with level of techies.
> I've worked with all four combinations of the binary young / old vs 
> techie / non-techie.
> > Also, your idea meant going out and spending money on something new,
> No, it did not.
> > when this is a community of people who you could reasonably expect to 
> > favour the approach of doing something difficult but functional with 
> > existing tech that they already own.
> That's one of the reasons that I enjoy this community. I re-use things 
> for different purposes all the time. I enjoy seeing how others solve 
> their problems.
> > You told someone who is trying to do something on a 20-25 year old OS 
> > in order that they can connect to a 40 year old OS, that they should be 
> > buying a peripheral for a games console.
> No I did not.
> > [1] You did not "suggest". You hectored, rudely.
> I disagree.
> I was not intend to be rude. I apologize to anyone that thought I was rude.
> > [2] You did not _explain_ that. You just repeated some buzzword phrase 
> > nobody else here knows.
> I disagree.
> My original comment stated "It functions as the wireless client to 
> connect the wired Ethernet client."
> > [3] You didn't explain that, either.
> See above.
> > You mean if you addressed the OP and the rest of us as competent adults 
> > instead of poking fun?
> I continue to believe that I have addressed everyone in this thread as 
> competent adults.
> I did not intentionally try to poke fun at anyone.
> Believe me, when I say that I'm much more of an ass hole if I want to be 
> and try to poke at someone.
> > Shock horror, yeah, that might have worked better.
> > 
> What does American have to do with this?
> Are you implying that American ~> U.S. English dialect is different than 
> other English dialects around the world and that those differences were 
> part of a breakdown in communications?
> > Yeah you were.
> No, I was not. See the bullet points above.
> > They are, until someone comes along and starts implying they are stupid, 
> > which is what you did.
> How did I imply that anyone is stupid?
> I apologize if I did so. That was certainly not my intent.
> > Good. Have you worked out _why_ people were upset with you?
> No.
> > Have you worked out what you did and how not to do it again?
> No.
> The only thing that I wish I had done differently was not used the 
> phrase "gaming adapter". I see no problems with anything else that I've 
> done.
> > Have you decided to change?
> Not yet.
> I'm still open to feedback & critique.
> > Look, *I* am someone who has, justly, been told off for being rude and 
> > dismissive here. I very much fear that I have caused people to quit the 
> > list, and I bitterly regret that.
> I think some of your comments have been curt. But I don't consider 
> "curt" to be "rude".
> > But I have tried hard to *learn* from that, and I do not want to do 
> > it again.
> Good for you.
> > Whereas you seem to feel that you were in the right all along and we've 
> > overreacted.
> I'm not saying I am in the right. I am saying that I don't think I'm in 
> the wrong.
> To me, there is a relatively neutral state in the middle, which is where 
> I think I am.
> > I think you should reconsider and try to use this as a learning 
> > experience.
> I try to learn from things that I experience daily. I think most people 
> do too.
> There is a reason that I'm trying to defuse what I am currently chalking 
> up to miscommunication based on a number of misunderstandings on 
> multiple people's part. I'm trying to turn this into a constructive 
> conversation to learn from and avoid this type of issue in the future.
> -- 
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die

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