Computers in Election Vigils - take two

John Robertson jrr at
Fri Oct 9 11:54:28 CDT 2015

On 10/09/2015 4:50 AM, Alexandre Souza wrote:
> lucky you. In Brazil we use vote machines made by diebold, which are as
> weak in security as a carton box. And no independent entity can ressearch
> its failures.

After the fiasco about the Deibold machines changing votes during the 
Bush election of 2000, Brazil opted for them?

That says a lot about your government I'm afraid. Not unlike US states 
that use Deibold equipment where there is no paper ballot to confirm the 
results after the voting is closed.

That is not democratic at all!

Canada still uses paper ballots for our federal elections. Our election 
voting stations have scrutineers who are volunteers from the various 
political parties running who watch over the proceedings and can call 
for assistance if something unusual happens.

Our local city election (Vancouver) uses a paper ballot that is read 
electronically, but the ballots exist in paper and can be counted by the 
various party scrutineers if they wish (and it happens in closely fought 

Canada has had trouble with fake phone calls directing voters to 
non-existent polling stations in an effort to change the outcome where 
ridings are close (the candidates have almost equal chance of winning). 
This was traced to our current government's political party - and the 
governments' response was to change the way Elections Canada can report 
problems and help people to get out and vote - they made it harder.... 

We shall see what happens on Oct 19 when our federal election happens.

John :-#(#

> 2015-10-09 8:24 GMT-03:00 Stefan Skoglund (lokal användare) <
> a13stesk at>:
>> tor 2015-10-08 klockan 16:48 -0700 skrev Chuck Guzis:
>>> On 10/08/2015 01:44 PM, Mattis Lind wrote:
>>>> Unfortunately SVT Öppet Arkiv is not available to anyone outside
>>>> Sweden, which is a pity. A great source.

If the original poster can provide the link(s) folks may want to use 
other methods to watch streaming video...

>>>> This interest for computers and election vigils come from the fact
>>>> that I had a email conversation with a person that was involved
>>>> when
>>>> DEC won the contract to for the election in 1976 in Sweden for SVT.
>>>> He was involved in adapting the VT30 system for TV use. Genlock and
>>>> stuff.
>>>> I found three clips in Öppet Arkiv which I trimmed down heavily.
>>>> These shows tend to be quite long anyhow. I hope SVT is not getting
>>>> mad now.
>>> Interesting.  Anent that, here's a nice article about the use of
>>> computers in a US Presidential election in 1952:
>>> e-night-a-computer-predicted-the-next-president
>>> I wonder if there aren't still some congressional districts where
>>> votes
>>> are counted by hand in the US.
>>> --Chuck
>> All the votes is still counted by hand.
>> Both att election evening (by election workers) and afterwards
>> (multiple times) in the months after election.
>> The "Valvaka" is the election day TV-program, the computers is included
>> because people wants an early impression of who will be statsminister
>> in one week, it's an statistical exercise.
>> AT election day we have 3 different elections:
>> local municipality (really its "house" which then elects the cabinett
>> including "city major")
>> the same for "län" (country council)
>> and state (election elects the country's riksdag - "house")
>> Riksdagen elects statsminister (normally, the situation now is a bit
>> peculiar.)
>> The state administration thru its "länsstyrelser" (who is geographical
>> areas corresponding to "län/region" (country council) it responsible
>> for counting and tabulating votes (country council election and
>> riksdagen.)

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