FYI gmane cctalk group

Tue Aug 25 02:45:35 CDT 2015

Archive.org was supposed to host these, so the archival is good w/o gmane.

However in googleing and verifying about that, I ran across something 
called archive-org.com which is hosted by a "private" registration of 
some sort, so I don't know if it has a damn thing to do with archive.org 
or not.  It has this list on it already.  And wants me to register to 
get an account for access.

If it is a virus bait site for these well meaning "free" archives, that 
is precisely why there needs to be authorized archives and not just 
anyone who feels like it.

My main concern is that you can find out the history of my email 
addresses back to my first one.  The email addresses are not obscured 
anywhere in them.  So it is easy if someone wants to harvest email 
address right off to do so.

Also I don't necessarily generate my comments here for open archiving 
and exploitation, especially by one like the above which seems to be 
commercial once you get into it.

Jay isn't going anywhere, and the archives are in good hands for now.  
And gmane as I understood it was more of a bridge than an archive at the 
start.  With the destruction of usenet archives by google it did 
probably keep some amount of that, but there is a huge amount lost in 
that transaction, so it isn't necessarily to be trusted that cctalk will 
be "interesting".

Also injecting the list into the usenet mess violates any rights the 
authors here have in who reads the discussion.  Of course who can chime 
in is controlled, but I'm just paranoid enough I'd not like to have all 
this firing off into all the usenet  crevasses that I know exist w/o 
come control.

Just my $0.02. worth.
Jim

On 8/24/2015 9:10 PM, Doug Jackson wrote:
> This about screen pretty much sums it up.
>
> http://gmane.org/about.php
>
> -----------------
>
> Free software is mainly developed on mailing lists. Mailing lists have 
> many advantages over other forms of communication, but they have two 
> weaknesses: It's difficult to follow discussions in a sensible way, 
> and mailing list archives (when they exist) have a tendency to 
> disappear over time.
>
> Severalmailing list archives <http://gmane.org/links.php>exist, but 
> these are all hidden under a web interface. Reading mail that way is 
> not convenient. Reading mail as if it were news is convenient.
>
> This is what Gmane offers. Mailing lists are funneled into news 
> groups. This isn't a new idea; several mail-to-news gateways exist. 
> What's new with Gmane is that no messages are ever expired from the 
> server, and the gateway is bidirectional. You can post to some of 
> these mailing lists without being subscribed to them yourself, 
> depending on whether the mailing lists allow non-subscribers to post 
> or not.
>
> In addition, Gmane doesspam detection 
> <http://gmane.org/filter.php>,cross-post handling 
> <http://gmane.org/cross.php>, has aTMDA-fueled encryption/forwarding 
> service <http://gmane.org/tmda.php>, aweb interface 
> <http://news.gmane.org/>, respectsX-No-Archive 
> <http://gmane.org/expiry.php>, suppliesRSS feeds 
> <http://gmane.org/rss.php>, usesSPF <http://spf.pobox.com/>, 
> gatherstraffic statistics <http://gmane.org/charts.php>, and has a 
> real-time indexingsearch engine <http://search.gmane.org/>.
>
> Not all mailing lists allow non-subscribers to post, and some are 
> moderated. Gmane requires that users post to Gmane groups using a 
> valid e-mail address, and requires a one-timeauthorization 
> <http://gmane.org/post.php>per group.
>
> To read the mailing lists stored in Gmane, point your news reader 
> tonews.gmane.org <nntp://news.gmane.org>.
>
> To get a new mailing list added,use the subscription form 
> <http://gmane.org/subscribe.php>. Almost any mailing list can be 
> added. Just includesubscription information 
> <http://gmane.org/add.php>. Mailing list archives can beimported 
> <http://gmane.org/import.php>into Gmane.
>
> Discussion about the Gmane hierarchy takes place on thegmane.discuss 
> <nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.discuss>newsgroup.
>
> At present, the Gmane hierarchy is heavily dominated by 
> computer-related mailing lists, which reflects the interests of the 
> initial user base. However, Gmane is not meant to be a service 
> exclusively for IT people. Feel free to suggest non-computer-related 
> mailing lists.
>
> To get in touch with the Gmane administrators, send a mail toLars 
> Magne Ingebrigtsen <http://gmane.org/contact.php>.
>
> Gmane has been in full operation since February 11th 2002, after a one 
> month test period. And the "g" in "Gmane" is silent.
>
>
>  Background
>
> I've tried to gather some thoughts on Gmane here. It's been running 
> now for almost half a year, and it's about time to summarize the 
> experience somewhat.
>
> My main reason for setting up Gmane in the first place was my 
> annoyance with the concept of mailing lists. I've always preferred 
> newsgroups -- they have a nice interface; they can be archived in a 
> convenient format; and they can be searched (via DejaNews/Google). 
> Mailing lists have a lousy interface, and if they have an archive at 
> all, it's always hidden behind some web-based monstrosity. And they 
> never allow searching.
>
> So I started Gmane, and gathered the mailing lists I was vaguely 
> interested in. Many, many other lists were requested by other users 
> and added by me and the other Gmane administrators. There's now more 
> than two thousand lists here. If I'm looking for discussion on any 
> given topic (for instance -- buffer overflows in the libc resolver 
> library), I just have my news reader display all the Gmane groups, 
> and, more often than not, all the relevant mailing lists are already 
> there, and I find what I'm looking for.
>
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>
> Makes sense to me :-)
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> On 25/08/2015 1:20 PM, dwight wrote:
>> I see. Why would they do that?
>> Dwight
>>
>>> From: jwest at classiccmp.org
>>> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
>>> Subject: RE: FYI gmane cctalk group
>>> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 10:34:03 -0500
>>>
>>> That means they are copying the list without permission.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of dwight
>>> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 10:22 AM
>>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
>>> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>>> Subject: RE: FYI gmane cctalk group
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 07:38:25 -0700
>>>> From: aek at bitsavers.org
>>>> To: General at classiccmp.org; classiccmp.org:On-Topic and Off-Topic 
>>>> Posts
>>> cctalk at classiccmp.org
>>>> Subject: FYI gmane cctalk group
>>>>
>>>> just noticed this
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.announce/23246/match=gmane+comp+hardware+vint 
>>>
>>> age
>>>> From: Mailing List Manager <admin <at> gmane.org>
>>>> Subject: New group gmane.comp.hardware.vintage
>>>> Newsgroups: gmane.announce
>>>> Date: 2015-05-19 10:57:19 GMT (13 weeks, 6 days, 3 hours and 39 
>>>> minutes
>>> ago)
>>>> The newsgroup gmane.comp.hardware.vintage has been created.
>>>> The subject of the first message posted was
>>>>
>>>>        Subject: Re: EPROM dumps for HP Draftmaster II 7596A
>>>>
>>>> This newsgroup corresponds to the cctalk mailing list.
>>>>
>>>> Description: Classic Computing Talk (non-public).
>>>>
>>>> <URL: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.vintage>
>>>> <URL: nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.vintage>
>>>>
>>> What does " This newsgroup corresponds to the cctalk mailing
>>> list."mean?Dwight                            =
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