Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System

[Dave G4UGM]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Sean
> Caron
> Sent: 11 August 2015 14:38
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>; Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu>
> Subject: Re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
> 
> I don't think you're allowed to run z/OS on Hercules even if you pay IBM, no?

That depends on your zOS licence. Different countries have different laws. I believe that the current Z partner developer licences specifically restrict running zOS on anything other than the supplied emulator and IBM has taken steps to encrypt the disks  to prevent you from even trying. On the other hand some of the older MVS licences allowed you to run on anything in a disaster recovery situation, including Disaster recovery testing. I believe these clauses have been modified in the current licence but I don't have a copy to look at...

> Or did they lift that restriction? The licensing on the image which Alessandro
> is referring to is undoubtedly questionable in the whole; I was just curious,
> since it sounds like he maybe had seen it before, if it was "complete" and had
> big layered products like ISPF included and working as well.

It depends on how it was originally licenced. If it was on a Monthly Charge the licence on the MP3000 will have expired. If it was purchased then the original owners will have a licence and it may be possible to transfer it...

> 
> Best,
> 
> Sean
> 

Dave
G4UGM


> 
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:08 AM, Guy Sotomayor <ggs at shiresoft.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > z/OS is a licensed product from IBM (read $$$'s involved). Generally
> > you can't run anything newer than MVS 3.8j on Hercules.  See the
> > Hercules website ( http://www.hercules-390.eu). It has links to other
> > sites where you can get various OS's and other programs that can be
> > legally run.
> >
> > Note that there is a "turnkey" system for MVS 3.8j that is set up for
> > Hercules that has an ISPF-like clone.  I have that set up to run on my
> > Mac.  I also have the VM/370 "sixpack" installed as well when I want
> > to run VM/370.
> >
> > The version of z/OS installed on my MP3000 does have ISPF (along with
> > lots of other program
> > products) installed.
> >
> > TTFN - Guy
> >
> >
> > On 8/10/15 2:33 PM, Sean Caron wrote:
> >
> >> Does it include ISPF? Using MVS is a bear without it...
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Sean
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Mazzini Alessandro <mazzinia at tin.it>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, there's a z/os image for hercules, floating around....
> >>>
> >>> -----Messaggio originale-----
> >>> Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Per conto di Kevin
> >>> Monceaux
> >>> Inviato: lunedì 10 agosto 2015 21:55
> >>> A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> >>> Oggetto: Re: Booting an IBM MP 3000 S/390 System
> >>>
> >>> Guy,
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 11:20:42PM -0700, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I spent some time today and made a video of my MP 3000 system
> >>> booting
> >>>> up to z/OS.  The video is here: http://youtu.be/WnJmeQR0GQU.
> >>>>
> >>> Sadly I'll have to wait until I get home to watch it.  YouTube is
> >>> blocked where I work.  I suspect I'll be experiencing extreme envy as I
> watch it.
> >>> The closest I have is Hercules running the OSes freely available to
> >>> hobbyists.  Just one thing - one doesn't boot z/OS, one IPL's z/OS.
> >>> :-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Kevin
> >>> http://www.RawFedDogs.net
> >>> http://www.Lassie.xyz
> >>> http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
> >>> Bruceville, TX
> >>>
> >>> What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
> >>> Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >