great old "Scelbi 8008 "  article in killobaud or  Byte  in one  if the  EARLY Issues! Ed# In a message dated 11/25/2023 7:34:21 AM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk(a)classiccmp.org writes:  Sorry if not linked correctly - looking through the list via the archives.."reply" option doesn't seem to work (at least for me - older Chrome) >but my understanding was that the 4004 and 8008 were effectively developed>at the same time?  And were announced or available about within one month>of each other? I believe they were, although I never had much experience with the 4004...I did play a bit with the 8008 - and wrote a simulator/emulator for the8008 system I had, a Canadian: MIL (Microsystems International Limited) MOD8 (Modular-8) it was also available as: GNC8 (Great Northern Computers) 8008 You can get MOD8 simulator from "Daves Old Computers" and actuallyexperienceusing an 8008 based system including the built in "MONITOR-8" ROM softwareaswell as "Scelbi 8008 BASIC" (one of the earliest) - source to bothprovided. If you care to, I included ASM88 (my 8008 cross assembler) so you can trywriting and running 8008 code! -Be aware that MOD8.COM itself is pretty old and is 16-bit DOS software.This means it WON'T run under modern Windows, but it does work well inDosBox (I recommend the one I have on my site) Dave Dunfield  -  https://dunfield.themindfactory.com -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Search "Dave's Old Computers" see "my personal" at bottom!