15 Sep
2024
15 Sep
'24
11:26 a.m.
was reading 16million was raised and going to
charity or something?? and
that the rest got bought by another museum
https://www.geekwire.com/2024/paul-allen-estate-sells-remaining-living-comp…
Oh, it's the CMoA? That's actually really really good news.
15 Sep
15 Sep
1:10 p.m.
Computer Museum of America Acquires Collection from Living Computers Museum
and Estate of Paul G. Allen - Computer Museum of America %
<https://www.computermuseumofamerica.org/news/computer-museum-of-america-acquires-collection-from-living-computers-museum-and-estate-of-paul-g-allen/>
On Sun, Sep 15, 2024 at 8:26 AM Adam Thornton via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
https://www.geekwire.com/2024/paul-allen-estate-sells-remaining-living-comp…
--
Lee Courtney
+1-650-704-3934 cell
> was reading 16million was raised and going to charity or something??
and
that the
rest got bought by another museum
Oh, it's the CMoA? That's actually really really good news.
The last time I was in Atlanta, before my parents moved out here
(so...2019?), I had a couple hours to kill on my way to visit a high school
friend. So I went there, wandered around, and left their Atari on the
Easter Egg screen in Adventure.
One of the staff noticed that, talked to me for a bit, and asked me to wait
while he phoned up Lonnie Mimms (the founder) and asked him to come in and
meet me. We talked for a good hour, and it was great. I would describe
what he's done there as what I would have liked to have done if I had come
from a family business of real-estate-developer money, rather than (not
that I'm complaining) IT consultant/sysadmin/software-developer money.
The CMoA was not as hands-on as LCM, but it did have some working machines
you could play with.
Whatever Lonnie got his hands on from the LCM is unlikely to be sold for
the metal value. Five years ago, anyway, he seemed serious and his
restoration work looked pretty legit.
Adam
4 p.m.
On Sep 15, 2024, at 10:10 AM, Lee Courtney via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
Computer Museum of America Acquires Collection from Living Computers Museum
and Estate of Paul G. Allen - Computer Museum of America %
<https://www.computermuseumofamerica.org/news/computer-museum-of-america-acquires-collection-from-living-computers-museum-and-estate-of-paul-g-allen/>
Hopefully this means that they get the “paper assets”, and are willing to scan them.
There is stuff that regrettably went to LCM, that should have been scanned.
Zane
10:43 a.m.
On Sep 16, 2024, at 3:30 AM, P Gebhardt via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Whatever documentation came with object donated to LCM. And any documents that were
donated to LCM separately (as opposed to alongside some object).
For example, LCM has a number of PLATO terminals, and I suspect there were documents
accompanying them. Some of those may be things that have not been made public elsewhere.
paul
Hopefully this means that they get the “paper
assets”, and are willing to scan them. There is stuff that regrettably went to LCM, that
should have >been scanned.
Zane
What kind of paper assets are we talking about? *curious*
Cheers,
Pierre 
5:43 a.m.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024, Lee Courtney wrote:
Computer Museum of America Acquires Collection from
Living Computers Museum
and Estate of Paul G. Allen - Computer Museum of America %
<https://www.computermuseumofamerica.org/news/computer-museum-of-america-acquires-collection-from-living-computers-museum-and-estate-of-paul-g-allen/>
Is that a different Computer Museum of America that that from San Diego?
At least the concept is very different. I only see bla bla and artifacts
under covers. That is not how a computer museum should present history.
The machines must be running and demonstrated.
Christian
10:46 a.m.
On Sep 16, 2024, at 5:43 AM, Christian Corti via
cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024, Lee Courtney wrote:
Not necessarily. There's value in preserving objects even if they are not in runnable
condition. Yes, having runnable system as LCM set out to do is interesting. It may also
involve compromises, such as replacing failed original modules by replacements that are
very different. You can see this at work in the LCM CDC 6500, where a number of the 4k x
12 core memory modules were replaced by SRAM based replacements. They are easy to spot in
the photos. They would probably operate differently too -- SRAM doesn't change to
zero when read, and that actually creates a user-visible difference in the case of PP
memory.
paul
Computer Museum of America Acquires Collection
from Living Computers Museum
and Estate of Paul G. Allen - Computer Museum of America %
<https://www.computermuseumofamerica.org/news/computer-museum-of-america-acquires-collection-from-living-computers-museum-and-estate-of-paul-g-allen/>
Is that a different Computer Museum of America that that from San Diego?
At least the concept is very different. I only see bla bla and artifacts under covers.
That is not how a computer museum should present history. The machines must be running and
demonstrated.
Christian 
18 Sep
18 Sep
10:54 a.m.
New subject: What's the going rate for 80286?
Electronics Goldmine has them for $19.95
https://theelectronicgoldmine.com/products/g28288
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
1:12 p.m.
New subject: What's the going rate for 80286?
On 2024-09-18 7:54 a.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Electronics Goldmine has them for $19.95
https://theelectronicgoldmine.com/products/g28288
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
Unicorn isn't much better:
www.unicornelectronics.com
80000 <#>
🔗 https://www.unicornelectronics.com/IC/80000.html
<https://www.unicornelectronics.com/IC/80000.html>
John :-#(#
--
John's Jukes Ltd.
7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
flippers.com
"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"
5:34 p.m.
New subject: What's the going rate for 80286?
if I don't have a computer with one in it in my basement, it's because I recently
took it in for recycling. should I not do that any more? I have some 8086 and probably
80386 machines. probably sx and dx, and maybe one with a numerical coprocessor.
<pre>--Carey</pre>
19 Sep
19 Sep
12:20 a.m.
New subject: What's the going rate for 80286?
On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 2:42 PM CAREY SCHUG via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
if I don't have a computer with one in it in my
basement, it's because I
recently took it in for recycling. should I not do that any more? I have
some 8086 and probably 80386 machines. probably sx and dx, and maybe one
with a numerical coprocessor.
<pre>--Carey</pre>
Yes, believe it or not people actually want that stuff now. Offer it up to
the list or take it to one of the VCFs and put it on the free pile.
Sellam
4:43 p.m.
New subject: What's the going rate for 80286?
On 9/18/24 16:34, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote:
if I don't have a computer with one in it in my
basement, it's because I recently took it in for recycling. should I not do that any
more? I have some 8086 and probably 80386 machines. probably sx and dx, and maybe one
with a numerical coprocessor.
<pre>--Carey</pre>
You should see what a DIP 8250-compatible UART costs...
Doc
23 Sep
23 Sep
9:22 a.m.
New subject: What's the going rate for 80286?
On Thu, Sep 19, 2024 at 03:43:01PM -0500, Doc Shipley via cctalk wrote:
[...]
You should see what a DIP 8250-compatible UART
costs...
The venerable 16550 is an 8250-compatible, so that would be $4.47 from
Digikey, plus another couple of bucks for a PLCC-to-DIP adaptor from
wherever. DIP versions are also available at a similar price, but from
less-reliable sources.
I haven't put the two datasheets side-by-side to check, but if the 16550
isn't actually directly pin-compatible with the 8250 (which I expect it
probably is) then it'll certainly be close enough that a few bodge wires on
that adaptor board will be all that's needed. We're not trying to install a
Threadripper into a 286 socket or anything like that.
11:54 a.m.
New subject: What's the going rate for 80286?
On 9/23/24 08:22, Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote:
On Thu, Sep 19, 2024 at 03:43:01PM -0500, Doc Shipley
via cctalk wrote:
[...]
Oh, I know, and have a bag of PLCC 16550s from other projects.
I did want to keep this board - an Alloy PC-SLAVE/16 - period correct. I
probably will not.
Doc
You should see what a DIP 8250-compatible UART
costs...
The venerable 16550 is an 8250-compatible, so that would be $4.47 from
Digikey, plus another couple of bucks for a PLCC-to-DIP adaptor from
wherever. DIP versions are also available at a similar price, but from
less-reliable sources. 
11:59 a.m.
New subject: What's the going rate for 80286?
On 2024-09-23 7:22 a.m., Peter Corlett via cctalk wrote:
On Thu, Sep 19, 2024 at 03:43:01PM -0500, Doc Shipley
via cctalk wrote:
[...]
But the real question on what uarts does the fifo work?
You should see what a DIP 8250-compatible UART
costs...
The venerable 16550 is an 8250-compatible, so that would be $4.47 from
Digikey, plus another couple of bucks for a PLCC-to-DIP adaptor from
wherever. DIP versions are also available at a similar price, but from
less-reliable sources.
I haven't put the two datasheets side-by-side to check, but if the 16550
isn't actually directly pin-compatible with the 8250 (which I expect it
probably is) then it'll certainly be close enough that a few bodge wires on
that adaptor board will be all that's needed. We're not trying to install a
Threadripper into a 286 socket or anything like that.
21 Sep
21 Sep
3:21 p.m.
New subject: SCSI2SD v5.0a problems
I am trying to use a SCSI2SD v5.0a SCSI to microSD adapter card, but it does not seem to
work properly.
When I run the scsi2sd-util on either mac or linux, it sees my board over USB, but it is
unable to
save changed options to the device.
I am using a PnY 16GB microSD card. I've also tried a 32GB card. I've also tried a
different USB cable.
I have two of these boards and they both behave the same.
Does anyone have any experience with these?
--tnx
--tom
3:43 p.m.
New subject: SCSI2SD v5.0a problems
On Sat, 21 Sept 2024 at 15:39, Tom Uban via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I am trying to use a SCSI2SD v5.0a SCSI to microSD
adapter card, but it
does not seem to work properly.
When I run the scsi2sd-util on either mac or linux, it sees my board over
USB, but it is unable to
save changed options to the device.
I am using a PnY 16GB microSD card. I've also tried a 32GB card. I've also
tried a different USB cable.
I have two of these boards and they both behave the same.
Does anyone have any experience with these?
--tnx
--tom
I have and have used a SCSI2SD v5, and I've always had great success
contacting the manufacturer directly when I had issues. Is there a reason
that you cannot or have not done that?
-Henry
22 Sep
22 Sep
10:58 a.m.
New subject: SCSI2SD v5.0a problems
On 9/21/24 14:43, Henry Bent wrote:
On Sat, 21 Sept 2024 at 15:39, Tom Uban via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I am trying to use a SCSI2SD v5.0a SCSI to microSD adapter card, but it does not seem
to work
properly.
When I run the scsi2sd-util on either mac or linux, it sees my board over USB, but it
is
unable to
save changed options to the device.
I am using a PnY 16GB microSD card. I've also tried a 32GB card. I've also
tried a different
USB cable.
I have two of these boards and they both behave the same.
Does anyone have any experience with these?
--tnx
--tom
I have and have used a SCSI2SD v5, and I've always had great success contacting the
manufacturer
directly when I had issues. Is there a reason that you cannot or have not done that?
-Henry
Once I located the correct firmware update and installed it, everything worked fine.
1 Oct
1 Oct
12:45 p.m.
New subject: NTE is dead
My local electronics store, which still sells packets of components, informs me that NTE
has gone
out of business. They are the last company which sold to these stores as far as I know, so
now my
local store has had to resort to buying bulk from places like digikey and then packaging
the
components themselves.
I should note that my local store's primary business at this point is installing AV
systems into
peoples homes and repairing old stereo equipment, which means they are likely the largest
consumer
of their own stock, but when I need a resistor, transistor, connector, etc, this is my
goto place. I
have been buying from them for about 56 years.
--tom
RIP NTE
1:23 p.m.
New subject: NTE is dead
On Oct 1, 2024, at 12:45 PM, Tom Uban via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
My local electronics store, which still sells packets of components, informs me that NTE
has gone out of business. They are the last company which sold to these stores as far as I
know, so now my local store has had to resort to buying bulk from places like digikey and
then packaging the components themselves.
I should note that my local store's primary business at this point is installing AV
systems into peoples homes and repairing old stereo equipment, which means they are likely
the largest consumer of their own stock, but when I need a resistor, transistor,
connector, etc, this is my goto place. I have been buying from them for about 56 years.
--tom
RIP NTE
Too bad. Note though that Digikey will happily sell almost anything in quantity 1.
It's definitely more expensive, and for things like resistors etc. I often buy 100 for
that reason, but it's a valid option.
paul
1:31 p.m.
New subject: NTE is dead
On 10/1/24 11:45, Tom Uban via cctalk wrote:
I should note that my local store's primary business at
this point is installing AV systems into peoples homes and
repairing old stereo equipment, which means they are
likely the largest consumer of their own stock, but when I
need a resistor, transistor, connector, etc, this is my
goto place. I have been buying from them for about 56 years.
And, you are very lucky! We used to have two electronic
stores, and now both have closed up. If you need a
connector, length of cable, or something of that sort, there
is no place local to get it!
Jon
6:28 p.m.
New subject: NTE is dead
On 10/1/2024 1:31 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
And, you are very lucky! We used to have two electronic stores, and now
both have closed up.
When I was a kid we had a dozen. 8 Retail and 4 wholesale (but
sold singles and small quantities to the public). Today, we
also have none. Radio shack was the last and we all know
where they went.
bill
10:08 p.m.
New subject: NTE is dead
When I was a kid we had a dozen. 8 Retail and 4
wholesale (but
sold singles and small quantities to the public). Today, we
also have none. Radio shack was the last and we all know
where they went.
bill
When I was a kid growing up in Southeastern Virginia I remember one of the
electronics parts dealers was NTE. I used to hate it when they would cross
reference the real replacement part to some NTE kind of a like. I hated
that. I wanted the right part with the same number as the original from
a name brand.
- Ethan
--
: Ethan O'Toole
2 Oct
2 Oct
3:15 p.m.
New subject: NTE is dead
On Tue, Oct 01, 2024 at 12:31:53PM -0500, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
[...]
And, you are very lucky! We used to have two
electronic stores, and now
both have closed up. If you need a connector, length of cable, or
something of that sort, there is no place local to get it!
I can't even find a decent lightbulb in this place, population 76,804! It
claims to be a city, but if I'm having difficulty buying anything brighter
than 470lm ("40W equivalent", my arse they are) and 2700K ("we hate the
red-green colourblind"), or indeed non-potboiler books, or exotic herbs and
spices such as garlic and pepper, then I don't think it counts as much more
than an overgrown village with delusions.
Mail-order is a lifesaver, as is the occasional visit to Zeedijk and
environs in Amsterdam for some serious stocking-up of curry ingredients.
Fortunately, there are still a few proper old-school electronics shops
dotted around, and I was somewhat pleased to discover one recently in Den
Haag which had a decent cache of those rather obscure DIN-14 connectors used
by the Atari ST for its floppy drives.
4 Oct
4 Oct
3:09 p.m.
New subject: NTE is dead
On 10/1/24 12:31, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
On 10/1/24 11:45, Tom Uban via cctalk wrote:
Microcenter in STL
I should note that my local store's primary business at this point is
installing AV systems into peoples homes and repairing old stereo
equipment, which means they are likely the largest consumer of their
own stock, but when I need a resistor, transistor, connector, etc,
this is my goto place. I have been buying from them for about 56 years.
And, you are very lucky! We used to have two electronic stores, and
now both have closed up. If you need a connector, length of cable, or
something of that sort, there is no place local to get it!
Jon
1 Oct
1 Oct
4:09 p.m.
New subject: NTE is dead
On Tue, Oct 1, 2024 at 1:06 PM Tom Uban via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
My local electronics store, which still sells packets
of components, informs me that NTE has gone
out of business.
That news is sadly true. Heard it back in August.
-ethan
9:26 p.m.
New subject: NTE is dead
The scary part for me is their entire datasheet archive was apparently
wiped without any backups. That was crucial for finding rough, “close
enough” specs for house numbered parts that cross referenced to something
they made. I have some physical catalogs but not sure if they cover
everything…
CJ
On Tue, Oct 1, 2024 at 12:46 PM Tom Uban via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
My local electronics store, which still sells packets
of components,
informs me that NTE has gone
out of business. They are the last company which sold to these stores as
far as I know, so now my
local store has had to resort to buying bulk from places like digikey and
then packaging the
components themselves.
I should note that my local store's primary business at this point is
installing AV systems into
peoples homes and repairing old stereo equipment, which means they are
likely the largest consumer
of their own stock, but when I need a resistor, transistor, connector,
etc, this is my goto place. I
have been buying from them for about 56 years.
--tom
RIP NTE
9:57 p.m.
New subject: NTE is dead
On 10/01/2024 9:26 PM EDT CJ Reha via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
The scary part for me is their entire datasheet archive was apparently
wiped without any backups. That was crucial for finding rough, “close
enough” specs for house numbered parts that cross referenced to something
they made. I have some physical catalogs but not sure if they cover
everything…
CJ
Some are on archive.org, such as this one:
https://archive.org/details/nteelectronicsse00unse
Will
You just can't beat the person who never gives up.
Babe Ruth
10:02 p.m.
New subject: NTE is dead
Newark Electronics shows free cross reference software available
.https://www.newark.com/pdfs/datasheets/NTE/NTE4049.pdf.
Don Resor
Sent from someone's iPhone
On Oct 1, 2024, at 6:26 PM, CJ Reha via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
The scary part for me is their entire datasheet archive was apparently
wiped without any backups. That was crucial for finding rough, “close
enough” specs for house numbered parts that cross referenced to something
they made. I have some physical catalogs but not sure if they cover
everything…
CJ
On Tue, Oct 1, 2024 at 12:46 PM Tom Uban via
cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
My local electronics store, which still sells packets of components,
informs me that NTE has gone
out of business. They are the last company which sold to these stores as
far as I know, so now my
local store has had to resort to buying bulk from places like digikey and
then packaging the
components themselves.
I should note that my local store's primary business at this point is
installing AV systems into
peoples homes and repairing old stereo equipment, which means they are
likely the largest consumer
of their own stock, but when I need a resistor, transistor, connector,
etc, this is my goto place. I
have been buying from them for about 56 years.
--tom
RIP NTE
2
days inactive
21
days old
28 comments
23 participants
participants (23)
-
Adam Thornton -
ben -
Bill Gunshannon -
CAREY SCHUG -
Christian Corti -
CJ Reha -
Doc Shipley -
Don R -
Ethan Dicks -
Ethan O'Toole -
Fred Cisin -
Henry Bent -
jim stephens -
John Robertson -
Jon Elson -
Lee Courtney -
P Gebhardt -
Paul Koning -
Peter Corlett -
Sellam Abraham -
Tom Uban -
wrcooke＠wrcooke.net -
Zane Healy