25 Jan
2024
25 Jan
'24
11:44 a.m.
I'll be attending VCF SoCal on February 17-18 in Orange (California) in the
capacity of a presenter (on a panel and a solo presentation).
Is anyone else planning to attend the event?
Sellam
25 Jan
25 Jan
11:47 a.m.
First time I am hearing of this. Are details up on the vcf site?-Ali
-------- Original message --------From: Sellam Abraham via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Date: 1/25/24 11:45 AM (GMT-08:00) To: "General
Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Cc: Sellam
Abraham <sellam.ismail(a)gmail.com> Subject: [cctalk] VCF SoCal I'll be attending
VCF SoCal on February 17-18 in Orange (California) in thecapacity of a presenter (on a
panel and a solo presentation).Is anyone else planning to attend the event?Sellam
12:02 p.m.
Forgive me, I should not have assumed everyone already knew about it.
February 17-18 at the Hotel Fera Event Center in Orange, California.
https://www.vcfsocal.com/
Sellam
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:47 AM Ali via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
First time I am hearing of this. Are details up on the
vcf site?-Ali
-------- Original message --------From: Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Date: 1/25/24 11:45 AM (GMT-08:00) To: "General
Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Cc:
Sellam Abraham <sellam.ismail(a)gmail.com> Subject: [cctalk] VCF SoCal I'll
be attending VCF SoCal on February 17-18 in Orange (California) in
thecapacity of a presenter (on a panel and a solo presentation).Is anyone
else planning to attend the event?Sellam
1:32 p.m.
> First time I am hearing of this. Are details up on
the vcf site?-Ali
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
Forgive me, I should not have assumed everyone already
knew about it.
February 17-18 at the Hotel Fera Event Center in Orange, California.
https://www.vcfsocal.com/
California VCF's tend to not be announced here!
Last august, I missed VCF West, because I didn't hear about it in time.
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1:37 p.m.
As a denizen of the antipodes I’ve heard about VCFSoCal, but maybe I’m more
into the socials.
Maybe VCF(etal) should be also sending notifications through email lists
and boards.
Hoping anyone local(ish) to VCFSoCal can get there and have a great time.
M.
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 8:33 am, Fred Cisin via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
> First time
I am hearing of this. Are details up on the vcf site?-Ali
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
Forgive me, I should not have assumed everyone
already knew about it.
February 17-18 at the Hotel Fera Event Center in Orange, California.
https://www.vcfsocal.com/
California VCF's tend to not be announced here!
Last august, I missed VCF West, because I didn't hear about it in time.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
1:44 p.m.
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 1:37 PM Michael Mulhern via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
As a denizen of the antipodes I’ve heard about
VCFSoCal, but maybe I’m more
into the socials.
Maybe VCF(etal) should be also sending notifications through email lists
and boards.
I agree, they should.
Hoping anyone local(ish) to VCFSoCal can get there and
have a great time.
M.
Sellam
28 Jan
28 Jan
6:41 p.m.
On 1/25/24 15:44, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 1:37 PM Michael Mulhern via
cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I've seen little mention of it on their discord.
I am not on the vcfed
site much. might be more action somewhere there.
a bit more mention on the cctalk (classsicmp) discord than vcf.
thanks
Jim
As a denizen of the antipodes I’ve heard about
VCFSoCal, but maybe I’m more
into the socials.
Maybe VCF(etal) should be also sending notifications through email lists
and boards.
I agree, they should. Hoping anyone local(ish) to VCFSoCal can get
there and have a great time.
M.
Sellam 
25 Jan
25 Jan
12:06 p.m.
Hope this helps, I put it together to keep track of them all.
-andy
On Jan 25, 2024, at 2:47 PM, Ali via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
First time I am hearing of this. Are details up on the vcf site?-Ali
-------- Original message --------From: Sellam Abraham via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Date: 1/25/24 11:45 AM (GMT-08:00) To: "General
Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Cc: Sellam
Abraham <sellam.ismail(a)gmail.com> Subject: [cctalk] VCF SoCal I'll be attending
VCF SoCal on February 17-18 in Orange (California) in thecapacity of a presenter (on a
panel and a solo presentation).Is anyone else planning to attend the event?Sellam
26 Jan
26 Jan
1:14 a.m.
???
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:30 PM Andrew Diller via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Hope this helps, I put it together to keep track of them all.
-andy
On Jan 25, 2024, at 2:47 PM, Ali via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
First time I am hearing of this. Are details up on the vcf site?-Ali
-------- Original message --------From: Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Date: 1/25/24 11:45 AM (GMT-08:00) To: "General
Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Cc:
Sellam Abraham <sellam.ismail(a)gmail.com> Subject: [cctalk] VCF SoCal I'll
be attending VCF SoCal on February 17-18 in Orange (California) in
thecapacity of a presenter (on a panel and a solo presentation).Is anyone
else planning to attend the event?Sellam
6:05 a.m.
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 07:30, Andrew Diller via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Hope this helps, I put it together to keep track of them all.
I think you forgot something.
There was no link or anything there, and the list doesn't allow attachments.
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Yes, good point! This is what I was talking about a little poster of shows this year:
https://envs.sh/Fc7.png <https://envs.sh/Fc7.png>
-andy diller
On Jan 26, 2024, at 9:05 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 07:30, Andrew Diller via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Hope this helps, I put it together to keep track of them all.
I think you forgot something.
There was no link or anything there, and the list doesn't allow attachments.
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28 Jan
28 Jan
6:39 p.m.
1000 feet from where I lived in Anaheim. needed this a few years ago, I
would have helped any way I could. Have fun.
If you find the prices at the former Doubletree a bit much, there are
probably lots of cheap deals near Mouse Central, just 1 1/2 miles
north. I recommend it if you haven't been, even though it's horribly
expensive. One downside, the Haunted Mansion is closed for a rebuild.
Thanks
Jim
On 1/25/24 13:44, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
I'll be attending VCF SoCal on February 17-18 in
Orange (California) in the
capacity of a presenter (on a panel and a solo presentation).
Is anyone else planning to attend the event?
Sellam
7:44 p.m.
Wow, bummer.
I'm staying with my sister in Upland so I'll be fine budget wise.
Thanks.
Sellam
On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 6:47 PM jim stephens via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
1000 feet from where I lived in Anaheim. needed this
a few years ago, I
would have helped any way I could. Have fun.
If you find the prices at the former Doubletree a bit much, there are
probably lots of cheap deals near Mouse Central, just 1 1/2 miles
north. I recommend it if you haven't been, even though it's horribly
expensive. One downside, the Haunted Mansion is closed for a rebuild.
Thanks
Jim
On 1/25/24 13:44, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
I'll be attending VCF SoCal on February 17-18
in Orange (California) in
the
capacity of a presenter (on a panel and a solo
presentation).
Is anyone else planning to attend the event?
Sellam
31 Jan
31 Jan
6:23 a.m.
I'm going to be presenting a (fine? idk) collection of British Computers.
Dragging along at least an Acorn RiscPC 700, a Castle Iyonix, Sinclair
Spectrum 48k and a Q68. Possibly static Apricot FP1/F1 if I can be bothered
to reassemble them despite their non-functional states.
9:13 a.m.
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 14:23, Christopher Satterfield via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I'm going to be presenting a (fine? idk) collection of British Computers.
Dragging along at least an Acorn RiscPC 700, a Castle Iyonix, Sinclair
Spectrum 48k and a Q68. Possibly static Apricot FP1/F1 if I can be bothered
to reassemble them despite their non-functional states.
As a Brit, can I just express my appreciation of this? :-)
I write for an international audience and sometimes people from the
USA are openly and repeatedly incredulous that "obscure" British
computers -- that means they've never heard of them -- can be
considered significant or important, even compared to American
machines that were on sale in East Futtbuck Idaho for 6 weeks in
Spring 1973 and have never been mentioned since.
The biggest selling CPU in history is a British design from a British
company. Its native OS is still updated and is FOSS today, and
provided the inspiration for a key part of the Windows 95 user
interface now used by billions. The core of the OS dates from the late
1970s or so and may be the oldest OS of which a modern derivative
still can run on the bare metal of new hardware in 2024.
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9:34 a.m.
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 12:13, Liam Proven via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I write for an international audience and sometimes people from the
USA are openly and repeatedly incredulous that
"obscure" British
computers -- that means they've never heard of them -- can be
considered significant or important, even compared to American
machines that were on sale in East Futtbuck Idaho for 6 weeks in
Spring 1973 and have never been mentioned since.
I wish that I were in a position to visit that VCF and see those machines.
As an American it's true that the vast majority of my vintage computer
experience is completely americentric, but I'm aware that Acorn had a
significant presence in the overseas market and that RiscOS is viewed
fondly. Perhaps it's time for me to find an emulator and experience the
system for myself.
And yes, there does appear to be outsize interest from the community in
dead-end and/or sub-par American machines vs. those from overseas. For
example, I gather that Omron did fairly well in the UNIX hardware business
in Japan, but had effectively zero market penetration elsewhere. Interest
in those systems here is effectively zero, mostly because they never
appeared on the secondary market and so there was no long tail leading to
hobbyist use.
The biggest selling CPU in history is a British design
from a British
company. Its native OS is still updated and is FOSS today, and
provided the inspiration for a key part of the Windows 95 user
interface now used by billions. The core of the OS dates from the late
1970s or so and may be the oldest OS of which a modern derivative
still can run on the bare metal of new hardware in 2024.
Surely by this definition UNIX would take the crown? The "core of the OS"
dates from 1969 and modern derivatives are everywhere.
-Henry
9:57 a.m.
On 01/31/2024 11:34 AM CST Henry Bent via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 12:13, Liam Proven via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I write for an international audience and sometimes people from the
I as well. I do hope you will record it and make it available online somewhere.
I have found that computers are much like motorcycles: many of the most interesting were
never available in the US.
Thanks,
Will
Grownups never understand anything by themselves and it is tiresome for children to be
always and forever explaining things to them,
Antoine de Saint-Exupery in The Little Prince
USA are openly and repeatedly incredulous that
"obscure" British
computers -- that means they've never heard of them -- can be
considered significant or important, even compared to American
machines that were on sale in East Futtbuck Idaho for 6 weeks in
Spring 1973 and have never been mentioned since.
I wish that I were in a position to visit that VCF and see those machines.
1 Feb
1 Feb
10:19 a.m.
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 18:35, Henry Bent via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Surely by this definition UNIX would take the crown?
The "core of the OS"
dates from 1969 and modern derivatives are everywhere.
Good point, but the OS I was referring to is RISC OS, *the* original
ARM OS and it has only ever run on ARM and nothing else.
Nobody is making PDP-7s any more, are they? :-)
I think the first C-based Unix was 4th edition. Are there any new PDP-11s?
If that makes my point any clearer?
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2:35 p.m.
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 at 13:20, Liam Proven via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 18:35, Henry Bent via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Yes, that does clarify things, thank you.
Looking as a naive researcher, Wikipedia doesn't have any information on
the ARM processor before 1981 or RiscOS before 1987. Do you have a source
for your date of the late '70s?
-Henry
Surely by this definition UNIX would take the
crown? The "core of the
OS"
dates from 1969 and modern derivatives are
everywhere.
Good point, but the OS I was referring to is RISC OS, *the* original
ARM OS and it has only ever run on ARM and nothing else.
Nobody is making PDP-7s any more, are they? :-)
I think the first C-based Unix was 4th edition. Are there any new PDP-11s?
If that makes my point any clearer?
2:57 p.m.
On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 02:36:10 PM PST, Henry Bent via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 at 13:20, Liam Proven via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
[....] Do you have a source
for your [[ first C-based UNIX (kernel ]] date of the late '70s?
Bell Systems Technical Journal, 57:6, July/August 1978, Special issue on UNIX.
Particularly "The UNIX Time-Sharing System", Ritchie, D.M., and Thompson, K.
I don't, offhand, recall mention of 4th edition. But that definitely dates UNIX in C
in the 1970s!
2 Feb
2 Feb
2:45 a.m.
Surely, it has to go to the UK as stated by the "BRITISH CROWN COPYRIGHT" - the
1963 Colossus
seehttps://therecord.media/80th-anniversary-colossus-digital-computer-uk-wwii-nazi-codebreaking
On 01.02.2024 22:35, Henry Bent via cctalk wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 at 13:20, Liam Proven via cctalk<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 18:35, Henry Bent via cctalk
>> <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Surely by this definition UNIX would take the crown? The "core of the
>> OS"
>>> dates from 1969 and modern derivatives are everywhere.
>> Good point, but the OS I was referring to is RISC OS, *the* original
>> ARM OS and it has only ever run on ARM and nothing else.
>>
>> Nobody is making PDP-7s any more, are they? :-)
>>
>> I think the first C-based Unix was 4th edition. Are there any new PDP-11s?
>>
>> If that makes my point any clearer?
>>
> Yes, that does clarify things, thank you.
>
> Looking as a naive researcher, Wikipedia doesn't have any information on
> the ARM processor before 1981 or RiscOS before 1987. Do you have a source
> for your date of the late '70s?
>
> -Henry
7:35 a.m.
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 at 23:36, Henry Bent via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Yes, that does clarify things, thank you.
Ah, good. :-)
Looking as a naive researcher, Wikipedia doesn't have any information on
the ARM processor before 1981 or RiscOS before 1987. Do you have a source
for your date of the late '70s?
But manifestly not enough. It *is* really stretching my point, though.
The ARM was expressly designed as a sort of 32-bit 6502. It was
Acorn's successor to their BBC Micro range of 6502 machines. The BBC
Micro came after the Acorn Atom, and that after the Acorn System 1, 2
& 3.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Eurocard_systems
The BBC Micro OS was called MOS -- Machine Operating System. It was
not Arm-native because Arm didn't exist yet. But Arthur and RISC OS
(Arthur 2) are based on a command-line-only core OS which is a 32-bit
version of MOS.
(There was also a single model of machine with a 16-bit version for
the 65C816, the Acorn Communicator.)
I am being cross-examined on a flippant throwaway comment, but it's
fair and I brought it upon myself. :`D
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7:42 a.m.
On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 at 10:35, Liam Proven via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 at 23:36, Henry Bent via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
This is all excellent information, thank you.
Yes, that does clarify things, thank you.
Ah, good. :-)
Looking as a naive researcher, Wikipedia doesn't have any information on
the ARM processor before 1981 or RiscOS before 1987. Do you have a
source
for your date of the late '70s?
But manifestly not enough. It *is* really stretching my point, though.
The ARM was expressly designed as a sort of 32-bit 6502. It was
Acorn's successor to their BBC Micro range of 6502 machines. The BBC
Micro came after the Acorn Atom, and that after the Acorn System 1, 2
& 3.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Eurocard_systems
The BBC Micro OS was called MOS -- Machine Operating System. It was
not Arm-native because Arm didn't exist yet. But Arthur and RISC OS
(Arthur 2) are based on a command-line-only core OS which is a 32-bit
version of MOS.
(There was also a single model of machine with a 16-bit version for
the 65C816, the Acorn Communicator.)
I am being cross-examined on a flippant throwaway
comment, but it's
fair and I brought it upon myself. :`D
I don't mean to be harsh or critical, I'm just trying to find information
about a software and hardware ecosystem that I have very little knowledge
of, and I suspect many folks on this list also are not very familiar with.
-Henry
7:51 a.m.
On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 at 16:43, Henry Bent via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I don't mean to be harsh or critical, I'm just
trying to find information
about a software and hardware ecosystem that I have very little knowledge
of, and I suspect many folks on this list also are not very familiar with.
As I said... it's fair!
Arm is *vast.* I believe they sell ITRO 10 billion chips a quarter.
The rest of the microchip industry is a rounding error, in unit numbers.
Not in money or anything else, obviously. Arm is small compared to
Intel in revenues, say.
But yes, the original native Arm OS is still around and runs on modern kit.
https://www.riscosopen.org/content/
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7:57 a.m.
On 02/02/2024 9:42 AM CST Henry Bent via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I don't mean to be harsh or critical, I'm just trying to find information
about a software and hardware ecosystem that I have very little knowledge
of, and I suspect many folks on this list also are not very familiar with.
-Henry
I, with a big interest in ARM and a small amount of knowledge of the history, have found
this thread very interesting and enlightening!
Thanks,
Will
Grownups never understand anything by themselves and it is tiresome for children to be
always and forever explaining things to them,
Antoine de Saint-Exupery in The Little Prince
21 Feb
21 Feb
1:33 a.m.
Liam, TriPOS ?
If i'm not wrong it was a OS developed in Cambridge (Cambridgeshire).
Did someone port it to other arch than ARM ?
3:01 a.m.
On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 9:39 AM Stefan Skoglund via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Liam, TriPOS ?
If i'm not wrong it was a OS developed in Cambridge (Cambridgeshire).
It was. The name came from the fact that a course at Cambridge
University is called a Tripos. Originally written by Martin Richards
(as in BCPL)
Did someone port it to other arch than ARM ?
The oldest version I know of ran on PDP11s. I am pretty sure there was
a 68000 version at one point too.
-tony
3:18 a.m.
On 02/21/2024 5:01 AM CST Tony Duell via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Did someone port it to other arch than ARM ?
The oldest version I know of ran on
PDP11s. I am pretty sure there was
a 68000 version at one point too.
-tony
3:23 a.m.
New subject: NOT AT ALL ABOUT VCF SoCal
This thread needs to die gracefully. Stop responding to it. This has
nothing to do with VCF SoCal. At least change the subject of you're going
to respond.
Please stop hijacking threads with misleading subject headings. Have some
respect for the list.
Don't even respond to this. Just delete.
Sellam
On Wed, Feb 21, 2024, 3:06 AM Tony Duell via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 9:39 AM Stefan Skoglund via
cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Liam, TriPOS ?
If i'm not wrong it was a OS developed in Cambridge (Cambridgeshire).
It was. The name came from the fact that a course at Cambridge
University is called a Tripos. Originally written by Martin Richards
(as in BCPL)
Did someone port it to other arch than ARM ?
The oldest version I know of ran on PDP11s. I am pretty sure there was
a 68000 version at one point too.
-tony
24 Feb
24 Feb
5:19 a.m.
On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 at 09:33, Stefan Skoglund <stefan.skoglund(a)agj.net> wrote:
Liam, TriPOS ?
If i'm not wrong it was a OS developed in Cambridge (Cambridgeshire).
Did someone port it to other arch than ARM ?
I am mystified.
This appeared in a thread about the VCF SoCal and apropos of nothing
with no quote.
Have I said anything about Tripos anywhere?
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1 Feb
1 Feb
10:23 a.m.
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 18:35, Henry Bent via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
To answer a different part of the question that I missed first time around:
As an American it's true that the vast majority of
my vintage computer
experience is completely americentric, but I'm aware that Acorn had a
significant presence in the overseas market and that RiscOS is viewed
fondly. Perhaps it's time for me to find an emulator and experience the
system for myself.
It natively runs on the Raspberry Pi and a 10 year old R Pi 1 will be
fine, and will probably cost nothing nowadays. It's resolutely
single-core anyway.
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31 Jan
31 Jan
10:04 a.m.
On Wed, Jan 31, 2024 at 9:13 AM Liam Proven via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 14:23, Christopher Satterfield
via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Probably because Americans in Futtbuck, Idaho never heard of any British
computers but Brits certainly knew about American computers, eh wot?
P.S. Just so this doesn't cause an international incident, I am very fond
of various British computers and right now I'm on a BBC Micro kick,
specifically because of its BASIC interpreter.
Sellam
I'm going to be presenting a (fine? idk) collection of British Computers.
Dragging along at least an Acorn RiscPC 700, a Castle Iyonix, Sinclair
Spectrum 48k and a Q68. Possibly static Apricot FP1/F1 if I can be
bothered
to reassemble them despite their non-functional
states.
As a Brit, can I just express my appreciation of this? :-)
I write for an international audience and sometimes people from the
USA are openly and repeatedly incredulous that "obscure" British
computers -- that means they've never heard of them -- can be
considered significant or important, even compared to American
machines that were on sale in East Futtbuck Idaho for 6 weeks in
Spring 1973 and have never been mentioned since.
The biggest selling CPU in history is a British design from a British
company. Its native OS is still updated and is FOSS today, and
provided the inspiration for a key part of the Windows 95 user
interface now used by billions. The core of the OS dates from the late
1970s or so and may be the oldest OS of which a modern derivative
still can run on the bare metal of new hardware in 2024.
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10:14 a.m.
BBC BASIC is the best BASIC there ever was, and I feel sad for those who have never used
it to see how powerful BASIC can be with proper structured programming. It’s honestly like
a different language.
On Jan 31, 2024, at 12:05, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
right now I'm on a BBC Micro kick,
specifically because of its BASIC interpreter.
5:12 p.m.
On 1/31/2024 1:14 PM, mark audacity romberg via cctalk wrote:
BBC BASIC is the best BASIC there ever was, and I feel
sad for those who have never used it to see how powerful BASIC can be with proper
structured programming. It’s honestly like a different language.
Basic09? VAX BASIC? RSTS/E BASIC-PLUS?
Microsoft was not the only BASIC provider in the US.
bill
5:30 p.m.
I suppose I should’ve specified “of the versions of BASIC I’ve ever heard anyone talk
about still using this century.” :P
1 Feb
1 Feb
10:28 a.m.
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 19:15, mark audacity romberg via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
BBC BASIC is the best BASIC there ever was, and I feel sad for those who have never used
it to see how powerful BASIC can be with proper structured programming. It’s honestly like
a different language.
Strongly concur.
I mean, QuickBASIC 4 was a good implementation, but it's on its way to
becoming a different language.
Whereas BBC BASIC ran from a 32kB 6502 machine up to
multi-gigahertz-class Arms in gigs of RAM today, as well as on DOS,
Windows, CP/M, Linux, macOS, and lots of other platforms.
https://bbcbasic.com/
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12:18 a.m.
On 02/01/2024 4:14 AM AEST mark audacity romberg via
cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
BBC BASIC is the best BASIC there ever was, and I feel sad for those who have never used
it to see how powerful BASIC can be
BBC Computer 32K
Acorn DFS
BASIC
10 MAT A = IDN(3)
20 MAT PRINT A
RUN
Mistake at line 10
1 Feb
1 Feb
9:36 a.m.
On Wednesday, January 31st, 2024 at 10:04, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Probably because Americans in Futtbuck, Idaho never
heard of any British
computers but Brits certainly knew about American computers, eh wot?
The only place many of us might (might) have heard of them was in the
backs of _Micro Adventures_ YA books, because of differences in BASIC
implementations.
The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510]
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Don't be mean. You don't have to be mean.
10:26 a.m.
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 19:05, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Probably because Americans in Futtbuck, Idaho never
heard of any British
computers but Brits certainly knew about American computers, eh wot?
Oh, yes, naturally!
It is something of a national characteristic, though.
I had someone very seriously questioning me, over on Fesse Bouc, if I
was serious when I said that the ZX Spectrum could remotely be
considered a more significant machine than (one model of) TRS-80, and
he was incredulous when I absolutely maintained the point.
Only after the fall of Communism did we Sinclair fans discover that
there was an entire international market in clones and compatibles of
the little Spectrum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ZX_Spectrum_clones
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11:20 a.m.
I had someone very seriously questioning me, over on
Fesse Bouc, if I
was serious when I said that the ZX Spectrum could remotely be
considered a more significant machine than (one model of) TRS-80, and
he was incredulous when I absolutely maintained the point.
We had the Timex version of the Spectrum in the USA, but it wasn't much of
a machine. That probably ruined it so we never got the 2+ or 3+.
Virginia USA reporting in, and so far I have the Spectrum 2+ (boxed) and
3+. They are cool machines but I think the Atari and Commodore beat it
sound wise. But I *REALLY* dig the fact that you had cassette distribution
of software at what looks like pretty low prices? That is really cool. I
imagine game tapes in supermarket checkout lines everywhere.
Remember when these machines were on the market in the 80s everyone relied
on magazines for information, and those magazines relied on advertising
dollars. No WWW. So it's not a big wonder that that Americans didn't know
about these machines since marketing money wasn't spent here.
Thanks to another cclist member I have purchased an A4000 Acorn via
facebook marketplace, and am excited to finally get my first Archimedes
machine. Hope the repairs needed aren't too bad! After that will be a BBC
micro but really the A4000 seems like a killer machine.
At some point I might try to find an A3010 as well, but the 4000 checks
the boxes for me.
It's pretty hard buying machines from over there, local collection only!
- Ethan O'Toole
11:34 a.m.
On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 10:26 AM Liam Proven via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 19:05, Sellam Abraham via
cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I agree, based on the very point you are making: the impact, influence and
reach of the ZX Spectrum was by far greater than that of the TRS-80.
Sellam
Probably because Americans in Futtbuck, Idaho
never heard of any British
computers but Brits certainly knew about American computers, eh wot?
Oh, yes, naturally!
It is something of a national characteristic, though.
I had someone very seriously questioning me, over on Fesse Bouc, if I
was serious when I said that the ZX Spectrum could remotely be
considered a more significant machine than (one model of) TRS-80, and
he was incredulous when I absolutely maintained the point.
Only after the fall of Communism did we Sinclair fans discover that
there was an entire international market in clones and compatibles of
the little Spectrum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ZX_Spectrum_clones
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31 Jan
31 Jan
9:51 a.m.
That would be very interesting. I always thought Apricot made some beasts and remeber the
cover of Byte for the first 486 system being an Apricot VX. I would love to see that
machine in person.
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I'm going to be presenting a (fine? idk) collection of British Computers.Dragging
along at least an Acorn RiscPC 700, a Castle Iyonix, SinclairSpectrum 48k and a Q68.
Possibly static Apricot FP1/F1 if I can be botheredto reassemble them despite their
non-functional states.
1 Feb
1 Feb
10:21 a.m.
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 at 18:52, Ali via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
That would be very interesting. I always thought Apricot made some beasts and remeber the
cover of Byte for the first 486 system being an Apricot VX. I would love to see that
machine in person.
I put one of those in.
First and only SCO *UNIX* (as opposed to SCO Xenix) box I ever installed.
But before we turned it into a server, we put DOS and Doom on it, very
briefly. The built in UPS could power a VGA monitor and we had a bit
of fun pushing each other along a corridor, one pushing the AVX/FT and
one a wheelie chair, while running Doom on a PC that wasn't connected
to mains power. The world's biggest "laptop".
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4:32 p.m.
I put one of those in.
First and only SCO *UNIX* (as opposed to SCO Xenix) box I ever
installed.
But before we turned it into a server, we put DOS and Doom on it, very
briefly. The built in UPS could power a VGA monitor and we had a bit
of fun pushing each other along a corridor, one pushing the AVX/FT and
one a wheelie chair, while running Doom on a PC that wasn't connected
to mains power. The world's biggest "laptop".
That must have been quite a workout as I have heard they weighed almost as much as a
refrigerator. The built in UPS seemed to be a unique Apricot feature. Even after
Mitsubishi bought them out they kept including the built in UPS. Which makes total sense
for a standalone server back in the day before racks became common. I have looked for one
here in the US but haven't even seen a glimmer of the machines.
-Ali
2 Feb
2 Feb
1:01 a.m.
Not sure I can make it to that VCF SoCal.
I'm still looking for a Sharp CE-510F floppy disk drive, that should pair
with a Sharp PC-5000. Just the disk drive.
Here my compiled info on the PC-5000 so far, for anyone interested.
Sharp PC-5000 — voidstar <https://voidstar.blog/sharp-pc-5000/>
https://voidstar.blog/sharp-pc-5000/
On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 1:45 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I'll be attending VCF SoCal on February 17-18 in
Orange (California) in the
capacity of a presenter (on a panel and a solo presentation).
Is anyone else planning to attend the event?
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