25 Oct
2024
25 Oct
'24
11:16 a.m.
You'd think an IBM operating system on an IBM ThinkPad would be easy-peasy
- but good grief, it's taken me over a year to finally get a magic formula
that works. Not too new, not too old.... (and yes, I have ArcaOS too, but
I wanted an OG 1994 install)
One interesting thing I found is that OS/2 can actually run SecondReality
(in full screen, but it suspends it when I ALT-ESC to something else) --
including with SBPro audio. I couldn't do that with WinXP yet (same
hardware), even though trying explicit DOS settings. I may tinker some
more on that, but rebooting to "MS-DOS Mode" in 95/98 can changing EMM386
from NOEMS to RAM then SR works.
I'll do a write up on the adventure soon-ish, I'm still trying to figure
out the TCP/IP settings stuff for OS/2. My first experience on the
Internet was "borrowing" my sister's credit card and racking up $100 for
an
afternoon of web-surfing on dial up, with OS/2 Warp in 1994. A graphical
Traceroute was so neat to see, a graphical Gopher, and some early web
sites. Frankly, that day I fully realized that "BBS's are done for" (or
cute ANSI couldn't compete with HTML).
I paid my sister back, eventually. At the time I thought it was just an
activation gate, didn't realize there was a per-minute charge. Sorry sis!
Don't leave your card out on the table :P
-Steve
26 Oct
26 Oct
10:50 a.m.
Steve Lewis wrote:
I'll do a write up on the adventure soon-ish,
I'm still trying to figure
out the TCP/IP settings stuff for OS/2.
You stand a much better chance of getting OS/2 drivers for IBM-produced machines than just
about anyone else's, but hat's off to you for getting it done.
I (and I'm sure lots of others) can help if you need it navigating LAPS/MPTS/TCP/IP
settings. The stack is coming from a much more naive era with respect to security; you
probably don't want to set up an FTP server, for example. ;-)
- David
1:13 p.m.
That's true. Part of the trouble was just finding a ThinkPad still in
decent enough shape. They're note equipment but not exactly ToughBook
tanks. For many, the plastic case has just become brittle. And I'm not
sure if the cooling was really adequate for the Pentium's (especially if
the case gets compromised and has any sort of large crack). But I'd get
one that ended up with a busted floppy, or a busted CD, or sour screen,
etc. Installing from CD was really what I was going for (Warp 3 Connect),
and many of the CD equipped ThinkPad's are just too new.
Then I saw inconsistencies across the same model line (for example some
could boot to CD or PCMCIA, some couldn't). I thought perhaps they were
just re-badged instances, but then realized: oh, it was due to firmware
update differences over time.
Anyhow, sorry to distract about 1990's stuff . Anyone got a working
Univac-422? :) A modern-retro remake of one those would be neat, but it
seems it's always all about the PDP's instead :P
On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 12:50 PM David Schmidt via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Steve Lewis wrote:
I'll do a write up on the adventure soon-ish,
I'm still trying to figure
out the TCP/IP settings stuff for OS/2.
You stand a much better chance of getting OS/2 drivers for IBM-produced
machines than just about anyone else's, but hat's off to you for getting it
done.
I (and I'm sure lots of others) can help if you need it navigating
LAPS/MPTS/TCP/IP settings. The stack is coming from a much more naive era
with respect to security; you probably don't want to set up an FTP server,
for example. ;-)
- David
9:34 p.m.
You could also look at ArcaOS from Arca Noae. Arca Noae took over OS/2
from IBM when it was discontinued. They've been updating it and making
a number of releases with updated hardware support. For example, they
just released a version that has the ability to boot from UEFI- based
systems.
TTFN - Guy
On 10/26/24 13:13, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote:
That's true. Part of the trouble was just finding
a ThinkPad still in
decent enough shape. They're note equipment but not exactly ToughBook
tanks. For many, the plastic case has just become brittle. And I'm not
sure if the cooling was really adequate for the Pentium's (especially if
the case gets compromised and has any sort of large crack). But I'd get
one that ended up with a busted floppy, or a busted CD, or sour screen,
etc. Installing from CD was really what I was going for (Warp 3 Connect),
and many of the CD equipped ThinkPad's are just too new.
Then I saw inconsistencies across the same model line (for example some
could boot to CD or PCMCIA, some couldn't). I thought perhaps they were
just re-badged instances, but then realized: oh, it was due to firmware
update differences over time.
Anyhow, sorry to distract about 1990's stuff . Anyone got a working
Univac-422? :) A modern-retro remake of one those would be neat, but it
seems it's always all about the PDP's instead :P
On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 12:50 PM David Schmidt via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Steve Lewis wrote:
>> I'll do a write up on the adventure soon-ish, I'm still trying to figure
>> out the TCP/IP settings stuff for OS/2.
> You stand a much better chance of getting OS/2 drivers for IBM-produced
> machines than just about anyone else's, but hat's off to you for getting it
> done.
>
> I (and I'm sure lots of others) can help if you need it navigating
> LAPS/MPTS/TCP/IP settings. The stack is coming from a much more naive era
> with respect to security; you probably don't want to set up an FTP server,
> for example. ;-)
>
> - David
>
--
TTFN - Guy
30 Oct
30 Oct
7:25 p.m.
I tried ArcaOS on some 2001-era Dell laptops, it works decent enough, but
still didn't "feel" quite the same. Then there was a bit of drama of
ArcaOS making complaints of people making videos about ArcaOS, claiming it
violated their license (it wasn't quite that dramatic and likely blown out
of proportion- but it was an uncomfortable circumstance; but to be fair,
Arca is obligated to stay on the good side of IBM, as OS/2 is still sort of
export controlled? Something like that- while I don't think the military
makes too much use of OS/2, I do think some banks still do).
I had trouble finding a 486 laptop in the 93/94 years that also had a built
in CD-ROM. It seems in laptops, they skipped 486's and went straight to
Pentiums (not saying they don't exist, just they don't seem to be plentiful
such that those who have them price them accordingly-- I've wonder if the
power/performance and battery ratio for a 486 laptop just wasn't
favorable?) Installing at least from CD on the TP385CD has been far more
bearable.
-Steve
On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 5:55 PM Guy Sotomayor via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
You could also look at ArcaOS from Arca Noae. Arca
Noae took over OS/2
from IBM when it was discontinued. They've been updating it and making
a number of releases with updated hardware support. For example, they
just released a version that has the ability to boot from UEFI- based
systems.
TTFN - Guy
On 10/26/24 13:13, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote:
That's true. Part of the trouble was just
finding a ThinkPad still in
decent enough shape. They're note equipment but not exactly ToughBook
tanks. For many, the plastic case has just become brittle. And I'm not
sure if the cooling was really adequate for the Pentium's (especially if
the case gets compromised and has any sort of large crack). But I'd get
one that ended up with a busted floppy, or a busted CD, or sour screen,
etc. Installing from CD was really what I was going for (Warp 3
Connect),
and many of the CD equipped ThinkPad's are
just too new.
Then I saw inconsistencies across the same model line (for example some
could boot to CD or PCMCIA, some couldn't). I thought perhaps they were
just re-badged instances, but then realized: oh, it was due to firmware
update differences over time.
Anyhow, sorry to distract about 1990's stuff . Anyone got a working
Univac-422? :) A modern-retro remake of one those would be neat, but
it
seems it's always all about the PDP's
instead :P
On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 12:50 PM David Schmidt via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Steve Lewis wrote:
>> I'll do a write up on the adventure soon-ish, I'm still trying to
figure
>> out the TCP/IP settings stuff for OS/2.
> You stand a much better chance of getting OS/2 drivers for IBM-produced
> machines than just about anyone else's, but hat's off to you for
getting it
> done.
>
> I (and I'm sure lots of others) can help if you need it navigating
> LAPS/MPTS/TCP/IP settings. The stack is coming from a much more naive
era
> with respect to security; you probably
don't want to set up an FTP
server,
> for example. ;-)
>
> - David
>
--
TTFN - Guy
27 Oct
27 Oct
3:47 p.m.
As somewhat OS/2 related, here is that result of SecondReality running
under OS/2. Also a sort of 386/486 hardware comparison.
A '386, '486 and a Pentium go to a bar together and encounter a Commander
X16 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq8vB0I10Z0>
Just for fun, view it with cc commentary on for the "dialog" story.
On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 12:50 PM David Schmidt via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Steve Lewis wrote:
I'll do a write up on the adventure soon-ish,
I'm still trying to figure
out the TCP/IP settings stuff for OS/2.
You stand a much better chance of getting OS/2 drivers for IBM-produced
machines than just about anyone else's, but hat's off to you for getting it
done.
I (and I'm sure lots of others) can help if you need it navigating
LAPS/MPTS/TCP/IP settings. The stack is coming from a much more naive era
with respect to security; you probably don't want to set up an FTP server,
for example. ;-)
- David
30 Oct
30 Oct
6:30 p.m.
I tried to install Warp 4 on a T42 while back. I concur...it was a pain in
the butt, and never worked well enough to stick with it.
On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 2:25 PM Steve Lewis via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
You'd think an IBM operating system on an IBM
ThinkPad would be easy-peasy
- but good grief, it's taken me over a year to finally get a magic formula
that works. Not too new, not too old.... (and yes, I have ArcaOS too, but
I wanted an OG 1994 install)
One interesting thing I found is that OS/2 can actually run SecondReality
(in full screen, but it suspends it when I ALT-ESC to something else) --
including with SBPro audio. I couldn't do that with WinXP yet (same
hardware), even though trying explicit DOS settings. I may tinker some
more on that, but rebooting to "MS-DOS Mode" in 95/98 can changing EMM386
from NOEMS to RAM then SR works.
I'll do a write up on the adventure soon-ish, I'm still trying to figure
out the TCP/IP settings stuff for OS/2. My first experience on the
Internet was "borrowing" my sister's credit card and racking up $100 for
an
afternoon of web-surfing on dial up, with OS/2 Warp in 1994. A graphical
Traceroute was so neat to see, a graphical Gopher, and some early web
sites. Frankly, that day I fully realized that "BBS's are done for" (or
cute ANSI couldn't compete with HTML).
I paid my sister back, eventually. At the time I thought it was just an
activation gate, didn't realize there was a per-minute charge. Sorry sis!
Don't leave your card out on the table :P
-Steve
31 Oct
31 Oct
5:22 a.m.
On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 at 01:30, Ken Seefried via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I tried to install Warp 4 on a T42 while back. I concur...it was a pain in
the butt, and never worked well enough to stick with it.
I can believe that.
I have several legit copies of eComStation somewhere but I got the
version of 2.1 from the Internet Archive working on an X61 tablet a
couple of years ago.
https://archive.org/details/ecomstation2.1
Easier than real Warp, with a ton of updates already integrated.
I could only get an ancient version of Firefox working and that was a
_lot_ of work -- days of it. I could not get Firefox 45 to install: I
was defeated by too many dependencies, even with "yum" working.
ArcaOS is better, much much better, but eCS does work and saves a lot of hassle.
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