3 May
2023
3 May
'23
11:58 p.m.
30 years ago the World Wide Web came into public existence. It has enabled
cctalk to flourish.
Murray 🙂
4 May
4 May
12:09 a.m.
On 5/3/2023 7:58 PM, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote:
30 years ago the World Wide Web came into public
existence. It has enabled
cctalk to flourish.
What did the World Wide Web have to do with mailing lists flourishing?
We had text based
discussions long before that in the form of Usenet and Mailing lists.
bill
12:19 a.m.
I am with Murray on this one. Maybe because of the WWW and not via Gopher nor BBS led some
of us to discover cctalk.
Regards,
Tarek Hoteit
On May 3, 2023, at 5:09 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 5/3/2023 7:58 PM, Murray McCullough via cctalk
wrote:
30 years ago the World Wide Web came into public existence. It has enabled
cctalk to flourish.
What did the World Wide Web have to do with mailing lists flourishing? We had text
based
discussions long before that in the form of Usenet and Mailing lists.
bill
1:23 a.m.
Don't forget fidonet (a network of bulletin board systems).
On 5/3/2023 7:09 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
On 5/3/2023 7:58 PM, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote:
30 years ago the World Wide Web came into public
existence. It has
enabled
cctalk to flourish.
What did the World Wide Web have to do with mailing lists
flourishing? We had text based
discussions long before that in the form of Usenet and Mailing lists.
bill
12:59 p.m.
On Wed, 3 May 2023, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
Don't forget fidonet (a network of bulletin board
systems).
FidoNet is still a thing too. I'm the NC of Net 138. (which sadly, is now
just myself and a couple of other nodes.)
g.
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ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
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1:13 p.m.
I closed down my BBS nearly 30 years ago. I ran Bit Wiz Opus (115/689)
for a long time. I've forgotten what it was called in FidoNet but my
system was the gateway for net 115 to the back bone for several years.
At a telephone cost of over $100/month. I shut it down sometime in the
early 90's. It ran on a 10MHz 286.
It's nice to hear that Fidonet still exists though with direct email,
blogs, forums, etc. I'm quite surprised.
But then, I play with 50 year old PDP-8 computers so who am I wonder why
people keep old technology running😁.
Mike
On 5/4/2023 7:59 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote:
On Wed, 3 May 2023, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
Don't forget fidonet (a network of bulletin
board systems).
FidoNet is still a thing too. I'm the NC of Net 138. (which sadly, is
now just myself and a couple of other nodes.)
g.
3:30 p.m.
On Thu, 4 May 2023, Mike Katz wrote:
I closed down my BBS nearly 30 years ago. I ran Bit
Wiz Opus (115/689) for a
long time. I've forgotten what it was called in FidoNet but my system was
the gateway for net 115 to the back bone for several years. At a telephone
cost of over $100/month. I shut it down sometime in the early 90's. It ran
on a 10MHz 286.
It's nice to hear that Fidonet still exists though with direct email, blogs,
forums, etc. I'm quite surprised.
But then, I play with 50 year old PDP-8 computers so who am I wonder why
people keep old technology running?.
While there are still some nodes running on POTS, it's mostly over IP
these days.
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
4:10 p.m.
Running over POTS has it's appeal from a historical standpoint but from
a speed standpoint IP is orders of magnitude faster.
I think the term I was looking for is Fidonet Echomail Co-ordinator.
And net 115 was the Chicago area.
On 5/4/2023 10:30 AM, geneb wrote:
On Thu, 4 May 2023, Mike Katz wrote:
I closed down my BBS nearly 30 years ago. I ran
Bit Wiz Opus
(115/689) for a long time. I've forgotten what it was called in
FidoNet but my system was the gateway for net 115 to the back bone
for several years. At a telephone cost of over $100/month. I shut
it down sometime in the early 90's. It ran on a 10MHz 286.
It's nice to hear that Fidonet still exists though with direct email,
blogs, forums, etc. I'm quite surprised.
But then, I play with 50 year old PDP-8 computers so who am I wonder
why people keep old technology running?.
While there are still some nodes running on POTS, it's mostly over IP
these days.
g.
4:47 p.m.
On 5/4/2023 10:35 AM, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote:
On 04/05/2023 14:59, geneb via cctalk wrote:
I was going to jump in and say this but you beat me to it.
I am involved in stuff on USENET all the time. Many groups have been
destroyed and are pretty much useless but many of them are still going
strong.
bill
FidoNet is still a thing too.
So is USENET.
Julf 
5:41 p.m.
Unfortunately my local ISP doesn't run a server any more. :(
Back in the 80's I used to run the USENET (and UUCP)
gateway for Finland.
Julf
On 04/05/2023 18:47, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
On 5/4/2023 10:35 AM, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote:
On 04/05/2023 14:59, geneb via cctalk wrote:
I was going to jump in and say this but you beat me to it.
I am involved in stuff on USENET all the time. Many groups have been
destroyed and are pretty much useless but many of them are still going
strong.
bill
FidoNet is still a thing too.
So is USENET.
Julf 
5:51 p.m.
It seems like all of the good USENET providers are subscription
services now. I'm not sure of any ISP that I've heard of who still
runs one.
Pat
On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 1:49 PM Johan Helsingius via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Unfortunately my local ISP doesn't run a server any more. :(
Back in the 80's I used to run the USENET (and UUCP)
gateway for Finland.
Julf
On 04/05/2023 18:47, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
>
> On 5/4/2023 10:35 AM, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote:
>> On 04/05/2023 14:59, geneb via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> FidoNet is still a thing too.
>>
>> So is USENET.
>>
>> Julf
>
> I was going to jump in and say this but you beat me to it.
>
>
> I am involved in stuff on USENET all the time. Many groups have been
>
> destroyed and are pretty much useless but many of them are still going
>
> strong.
>
>
> bill
>
>
5:54 p.m.
A shame. :(
Julf
On 04/05/2023 19:51, Patrick Finnegan wrote:
It seems like all of the good USENET providers are
subscription
services now. I'm not sure of any ISP that I've heard of who still
runs one.
Pat
On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 1:49 PM Johan Helsingius via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately my local ISP doesn't run a server any more. :(
>
> Back in the 80's I used to run the USENET (and UUCP)
> gateway for Finland.
>
> Julf
>
> On 04/05/2023 18:47, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
>>
>> On 5/4/2023 10:35 AM, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote:
>>> On 04/05/2023 14:59, geneb via cctalk wrote:
>>>
>>>> FidoNet is still a thing too.
>>>
>>> So is USENET.
>>>
>>> Julf
>>
>> I was going to jump in and say this but you beat me to it.
>>
>>
>> I am involved in stuff on USENET all the time. Many groups have been
>>
>> destroyed and are pretty much useless but many of them are still going
>>
>> strong.
>>
>>
>> bill
>>
>>
8:23 p.m.
On Thu, 4 May 2023, Patrick Finnegan via cctalk wrote:
It seems like all of the good USENET providers are
subscription
services now. I'm not sure of any ISP that I've heard of who still
runs one.
You can get free access via http://www.eternal-september.org/, however
they don't carry any binary groups. (no loss really)
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
8:31 p.m.
On 5/4/23 13:23, geneb via cctalk wrote:
You can get free access via
http://www.eternal-september.org/, however
they don't carry any binary groups. (no loss really)
That's useful to know--I haven't been on usenet in perhaps 40 years.
--Chuck
8:46 p.m.
On 5/4/23 13:23, geneb via cctalk wrote:
> You can get free access via http://www.eternal-september.org/, however
> they don't carry any binary groups. (no loss really)
On Thu, 4 May 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
That's useful to know--I haven't been on
usenet in perhaps 40 years.
That's OK.
Any flamewars that you were reading are probably still active.
9:10 p.m.
On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 1:46 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
That's not only really funny, but probably true.
Sellam
On 5/4/23
13:23, geneb via cctalk wrote:
> You can get free access via http://www.eternal-september.org/, however
> they don't carry any binary groups. (no loss really)
On Thu, 4 May 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
That's useful to know--I haven't been on
usenet in perhaps 40 years.
That's OK.
Any flamewars that you were reading are probably still active.
4:53 a.m.
geneb wrote:
Patrick Finnegan wrote:
There's also news.dotsrc.org. (formerly sunsite.dk)
It seems like all of the good USENET providers
are subscription
services now.
You can get free access via http://www.eternal-september.org/
4 May
4 May
6 p.m.
On Thu, 4 May 2023 at 18:49, Johan Helsingius via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Unfortunately my local ISP doesn't run a server any more. :(
I use Eternal September, via Thunderbird. Works very well.
Password requirements are annoying, and the initial setup is very
non-intuitive, but follow the documentation and it works.
https://www.eternal-september.org/
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6:24 p.m.
Thanks! Wow, they even provide UUCP batches!
Julf
On 04/05/2023 20:00, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
On Thu, 4 May 2023 at 18:49, Johan Helsingius via
cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Unfortunately my local ISP doesn't run a server any more. :(
I use Eternal September, via Thunderbird. Works very well.
Password requirements are annoying, and the initial setup is very
non-intuitive, but follow the documentation and it works.
https://www.eternal-september.org/
8:08 p.m.
On 5/4/2023 1:41 PM, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote:
Unfortunately my local ISP doesn't run a server
any more. :(
Doesn't have to be local. I use a server in Berlin.
Back in the 80's I used to run the USENET (and UUCP)
gateway for Finland.
I used to run a server at the University where I worked. Used to score
very high in ratings. Had a satellite feed as well as the terrestrial ones
and moved a lot of news in my time. Those were good times.
bill
8:31 p.m.
True but I don't miss 53K bps analog POTS modem speeds.
My Internet varies between 700Mbps and 950Mbps. I don't miss analog
modem days in the least. There is no nostalgia there.
I consider analog modems similar to out houses. An interesting
historical factoid but not something to be missed🤣. Or even reminisce
about.
On 5/4/2023 3:08 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
On 5/4/2023 1:41 PM, Johan Helsingius via cctalk wrote:
Unfortunately my local ISP doesn't run a
server any more. :(
Doesn't have to be local. I use a server in Berlin.
Back in the 80's I used to run the USENET (and UUCP)
gateway for Finland.
I used to run a server at the University where I worked. Used to score
very high in ratings. Had a satellite feed as well as the terrestrial
ones
and moved a lot of news in my time. Those were good times.
bill
9:43 p.m.
On Thu, 4 May 2023, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
True but I don't miss 53K bps analog POTS modem
speeds.
My Internet varies between 700Mbps and 950Mbps. I don't miss analog modem
days in the least. There is no nostalgia there.
Best of both worlds:
https://tempestfpga.com/retromodem/
:)
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
5 May
5 May
5:44 p.m.
On 2023-05-04 2:31 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
True but I don't miss 53K bps analog POTS modem
speeds.
My Internet varies between 700Mbps and 950Mbps. I don't miss analog
modem days in the least. There is no nostalgia there.
How ever the people still use them. Fast internet is only good about 1?
km from
the router. Other than Netflix or Multiplayer games, what is really high
speed internet needed for?
Ben.
6:22 p.m.
Summoning my inner "grumpy old man" but the lack of (or evolved?) Web
standards produce webpages congested with large advertisements, embedded
videos, etc that aren't useful for the site. I don't know what the average
size is these days but seems pretty ridiculous. That and the number of
trackers, my system ends up sending data to 12 websites just to view
something of moderate interest.
Similar to unoptimized programming and games, I don't see why there are
20gb patches (I assume just uncompressed videos) but there are probably
some honest answers like 3d models. It just feels like unnecessary bloat.
On Fri, May 5, 2023, 12:59 PM ben via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Other than Netflix or Multiplayer games, what is really high
speed internet needed for?
6:24 p.m.
I beg to differ with you.
I get download speeds over 100 Mbps regularly. A lot of download speed
is dependent on the site being downloaded from's upload speed.
Also, having very high speed internet allows for streaming on multiple
devices. Like when my wife watching something on the Roku TV and I'm in
a zoom meeting.
On 5/5/2023 12:44 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
On 2023-05-04 2:31 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
True but I don't miss 53K bps analog POTS
modem speeds.
My Internet varies between 700Mbps and 950Mbps. I don't miss analog
modem days in the least. There is no nostalgia there.
How ever the people still use them. Fast internet is only good about
1? km from
the router. Other than Netflix or Multiplayer games, what is really
high speed internet needed for?
Ben.
7:02 p.m.
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM ben via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On 2023-05-04 2:31 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
the router. Other than Netflix or Multiplayer games, what is really high
speed internet needed for?
Ben.
I do development that involves pulling large SCS trees, lots of fetching of
rpms and isos. It's nice to have the bandwidth.
Also bandwidth != latency ("multiplayer games").
8:26 p.m.
No doubt many folks do have a need for speed but FWIW I get by fine with 6
Mbps D/L speed, streaming Youtube and local cable channels, browsing the
web, email & fora, etc.; I've also got a fall-back 56K toll-free dial-up
option which is still good for email and messaging when broadband is not
available.
Occasionally a bit more speed would be nice when downloading a particularly
large file, but that's a good excuse to get up & stretch my legs, make a
coffee or tea, or just sit outside getting some sun and fresh air.
The best part is that together with my cell phone it only costs me C$ 50/mo.
m
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 3:03 PM Tony Jones via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM ben via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On 2023-05-04 2:31 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk
wrote:
the router. Other than Netflix or Multiplayer games, what is really high
speed internet needed for?
Ben.
I do development that involves pulling large SCS trees, lots of fetching of
rpms and isos. It's nice to have the bandwidth.
Also bandwidth != latency ("multiplayer games").
8:40 p.m.
On Fri, 5 May 2023 at 21:26, Mike Stein via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
No doubt many folks do have a need for speed but FWIW I get by fine with 6
Mbps D/L speed, streaming Youtube and local cable channels, browsing the
web, email & fora, etc.;
... wow.
I had 500Mb/s for ~CzK 1000/mth in Prague. Ballpark ₤30.
Here in the Isle of Man I'm on 100Mb/s and it's a moderate pain. But
for my 1st 2 months here, I had only 16Mb/s at my mum's, and it was
horrible.
I've also got a fall-back 56K toll-free dial-up
option which is still good for email and messaging when broadband is not
available.
I kept a POTS modem around for years but after 2002 or so, it just
didn't seem worth it. Even from 512kb/s, dropping an order of
magnitude felt like not being online at all. By the time I was on a
few megabits/sec I mothballed the dialup device.
I haven't had a landline since 2014 now.
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8:50 p.m.
Toll-free dial-up and the landline were very handy at my cottage, where the
only moderately high-speed option was expensive satellite or microwave
access.
I also worked from home at the cottage; fortunately it only involved
text-only remote access which also worked remarkably well at 56K; large
file transfers (off-line backups etc.) ran at night.
m
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 4:41 PM Liam Proven via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On Fri, 5 May 2023 at 21:26, Mike Stein via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
No doubt many folks do have a need for speed but FWIW I get by fine with
6
Mbps D/L speed, streaming Youtube and local cable
channels, browsing the
web, email & fora, etc.;
... wow.
I had 500Mb/s for ~CzK 1000/mth in Prague. Ballpark ₤30.
Here in the Isle of Man I'm on 100Mb/s and it's a moderate pain. But
for my 1st 2 months here, I had only 16Mb/s at my mum's, and it was
horrible.
I've also got a fall-back 56K toll-free
dial-up
option which is still good for email and messaging when broadband is not
available.
I kept a POTS modem around for years but after 2002 or so, it just
didn't seem worth it. Even from 512kb/s, dropping an order of
magnitude felt like not being online at all. By the time I was on a
few megabits/sec I mothballed the dialup device.
I haven't had a landline since 2014 now.
--
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Email: lproven(a)cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven(a)gmail.com
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9:13 p.m.
On Fri, 5 May 2023 at 16:41, Liam Proven via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On Fri, 5 May 2023 at 21:26, Mike Stein via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I think it's generally a case of proximity to a population center. In a
city in the US you can generally get very high speeds at reasonable cost,
at least a couple of hundred mbit/s, but that decreases almost
exponentially as you move farther out. I live in an area that I wouldn't
classify as completely rural but it's not exactly suburban either and my
options are limited to high prices for cable internet - I have 30 mbit/s
down but only 5 mbit/s up for $40/mo, and that's essentially at cost
because my provider is a cooperative. The commercial offerings are even
worse.
-Henry
No doubt many folks do have a need for speed but FWIW I get by fine with
6
Mbps D/L speed, streaming Youtube and local cable
channels, browsing the
web, email & fora, etc.;
... wow.
I had 500Mb/s for ~CzK 1000/mth in Prague. Ballpark ₤30.
Here in the Isle of Man I'm on 100Mb/s and it's a moderate pain. But
for my 1st 2 months here, I had only 16Mb/s at my mum's, and it was
horrible.
8:31 p.m.
On 2023-05-05 1:02 p.m., Tony Jones via cctalk wrote:
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 10:59 AM ben via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
True, until the last few years, I was on dial up speeds.
Nice to have bandwidth for all UPDATES OS's think you need.
The only really big download I have done for all the old DR WHO
episodes. Now if I could find that link again.
Ben.
tagline "Don't you love FTL download speeds"
On 2023-05-04 2:31 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk
wrote:
the router. Other than Netflix or Multiplayer games, what is really high
speed internet needed for?
Ben.
I do development that involves pulling large SCS trees, lots of fetching of
rpms and isos. It's nice to have the bandwidth.
Also bandwidth != latency ("multiplayer games").
9:03 p.m.
I think you might be surprised by how many people still have to use
dial-up; at my cottage there is no cable service and high-speed fibre is
finally just being installed this year as the area becomes more populous.
Cell coverage is spotty, so a local hotspot is not always available or
reliable and also not very fast, and satellite/microwave access is not
affordable for everyone.
m
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 4:48 PM Tony Jones via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 1:31 PM ben via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
True, until the last few years, I was on dial up speeds.
I think you may be an outlier ;-)
9:12 p.m.
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 2:03 PM Mike Stein via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
I think you might be surprised by how many people
still have to use
dial-up;
obviously it still exists, a 1 sec Google search shows that:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/185532/us-household-dial-up-internet-co…
but sub 1% nation wide is an outlier to me.
your statistics may vary ;-)
10:55 p.m.
When we moved to this house 33 years ago, there was no cable (still
isn't available), and wired POTS was it. About 12 wire miles from the
CO, so 56K was just a dream. Maybe 15 years ago, I was approached by
the local telco because they wanted to replaced deteriorating buried
copper with fiber and needed some land for a terminal.
I sold them about 300 sq. ft. that I didn't even know that I owned.
They poured a concrete pad and set up some boxes on it. Initially,
connection was 5 Mbps; a few years ago, I was offered 20 for a lifetime
rate of USD$40/month. It was gradually bumped up to about 55 Mbps. It
works for me--if I wanted to pay more, I could get 100. This is a rural
area. If I go a half-mile up the road, the people there are still 12-13
wire miles from the CO with no broadband at all.
If that weren't enough, cell coverage there is maybe a bar-and-a-half of
2G. Some use satellite, but during windy or wet weather, I understand
that their speed falls to nearly worthless. Lots of big evergreen
(Doug-fir and Ponderosa pine) trees here to lay waste to comms.
A utility from a county south of here has been stringing fiber along the
road, which has promise--but no estimates of when connectivity will be
available.
People evidently don't recall the bad old days of POTS where calls
outside of your calling area was billed as long-distance and reception
was noisy and slow. Back then, a leased line connected to a 208 modem
would run you about 5 kilobucks/month for 4800 bps, sync.
--Chuck
11:35 p.m.
On May 5, 2023, at 3:55 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
People evidently don't recall the bad old days of POTS where calls
outside of your calling area was billed as long-distance and reception
was noisy and slow. Back then, a leased line connected to a 208 modem
would run you about 5 kilobucks/month for 4800 bps, sync.
And based on some of the complaints I’ve been reading lately from other list members, I
feel compelled to point out that all kinds of Real Work occurred within such constraints
nonetheless, for decades, all over the world.
ok
bear.
6 May
6 May
12:21 a.m.
On 2023-05-05 2:48 p.m., Tony Jones via cctalk wrote:
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 1:31 PM ben via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
You know a MOOSE could just walk and read this.
You don't want a angry
MOOSE.
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The real catch with the internet was getting a local provider
that did not charge a arm and a leg for any service.
When BBS's where around, long distance was still $1.00 a minute.
Ben.
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True, until the last few years, I was on dial up speeds.
I think you may be an outlier ;-)
5 May
5 May
8:06 p.m.
On 5/5/2023 1:44 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
On 2023-05-04 2:31 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
Downloading the latest FreeBSD ISO in less than a week? :-)
bill
True but I don't miss 53K bps analog POTS
modem speeds.
My Internet varies between 700Mbps and 950Mbps. I don't miss analog
modem days in the least. There is no nostalgia there.
How ever the people still use them. Fast internet is only good about
1? km from
the router. Other than Netflix or Multiplayer games, what is really
high speed internet needed for?
Ben.
8:22 p.m.
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 1:06 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Downloading the latest FreeBSD ISO in less than a week? :-)
I took the question as more "why do you need a gigabit"?
Comcast had kept slowly bumping us up over the term of several contracts,
from 600mbit to 1200mbit and as I said, I use the speed mostly for work.
We just cut the knot and got rid of cable TV but I'm pretty sure Netflix
says one 4K stream requires less than 25mbit/sec.
8:35 p.m.
The local cable channels here are served over ethernet and that works fine
for me at 6 Mbps, with only a very occasional hiccup.
m
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 4:22 PM Tony Jones via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 1:06 PM Bill Gunshannon via
cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Downloading the latest FreeBSD ISO in less than a week? :-)
I took the question as more "why do you need a gigabit"?
Comcast had kept slowly bumping us up over the term of several contracts,
from 600mbit to 1200mbit and as I said, I use the speed mostly for work.
We just cut the knot and got rid of cable TV but I'm pretty sure Netflix
says one 4K stream requires less than 25mbit/sec.
8:33 p.m.
On 2023-05-05 2:06 p.m., Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
On 5/5/2023 1:44 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
REAL BDS'S COME ON MAGNETIC TAPE.
BEN @ 110 BAUD.
On 2023-05-04 2:31 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk
wrote:
Downloading the latest FreeBSD ISO in less than a week? :-)
bill
True but I don't miss 53K bps analog POTS
modem speeds.
My Internet varies between 700Mbps and 950Mbps. I don't miss analog
modem days in the least. There is no nostalgia there.
How ever the people still use them. Fast internet is only good about
1? km from
the router. Other than Netflix or Multiplayer games, what is really
high speed internet needed for?
Ben.
8:55 p.m.
On 5/5/2023 4:33 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
On 2023-05-05 2:06 p.m., Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
wrote:
I used to have a BSD Distro. I think it was actually two tapes. But I also
think I lost it during one of my moves. I do still have a 9-track drive
to read
one if I ever have to, though. :-)
bill
On 5/5/2023 1:44 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
REAL BDS'S COME ON MAGNETIC TAPE.
BEN @ 110 BAUD.
On 2023-05-04 2:31 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk
wrote:
Downloading the latest FreeBSD ISO in less than a week? :-)
bill
True but I don't miss 53K bps analog POTS
modem speeds.
My Internet varies between 700Mbps and 950Mbps. I don't miss
analog modem days in the least. There is no nostalgia there.
How ever the people still use them. Fast internet is only good
about 1? km from
the router. Other than Netflix or Multiplayer games, what is really
high speed internet needed for?
Ben.
8:57 p.m.
On 5/5/2023 3:33 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
On 2023-05-05 2:06 p.m., Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
wrote:
Wow, magnetic tape, how modern. What about paper tape or punch cards
(Holerith if you are old enough to remember that name).
Also if we are talking about download speeds and protocols what about
Carrier Pigeon Internet Protocol (CPIP or IPoCP). This encompasses
RFC-1149 & amended by RFC-2549. A carrier pigeon carrying a 1TB USB
memory stick and flying at 40MPH (2/3's of it's maximum speed) for 40
miles would yield a data rate of 305,419,896 bps. Not bad for analog🤣
And for some more nostalgia:
4.5MB of punch cards (approx. 334 lbs):
On 5/5/2023 1:44 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
REAL BDS'S COME ON MAGNETIC TAPE.
BEN @ 110 BAUD.
On 2023-05-04 2:31 p.m., Mike Katz via cctalk
wrote:
Downloading the latest FreeBSD ISO in less than a week? :-)
bill
True but I don't miss 53K bps analog POTS
modem speeds.
My Internet varies between 700Mbps and 950Mbps. I don't miss
analog modem days in the least. There is no nostalgia there.
How ever the people still use them. Fast internet is only good
about 1? km from
the router. Other than Netflix or Multiplayer games, what is really
high speed internet needed for?
Ben.
2:39 a.m.
I do remember the bad old days, when even a leased line was
insufficiently fast or reliable to send a quantity of data. I recall
many times taking the "noon balloon" out of San Jose with my Samsonite
carry-on case and not so much as a toothbrush. On arrival, turn the
contents of the case over to someone waiting at the gate, and catch the
next flight home with an empty case.
My case, which I still have, comfortably accommodates six 10.5" reels of
tape.
I remember flying on an USAF general's plane with several 844 disk
packs. One time, I forgot my B-area badge, so the general gave me his.
Nobody saluted, however.
--Chuck
3:59 a.m.
There used to be a running joke in the test center on Kwajalein Atoll
about the C141 full of mission tapes having a higher bit rate than the
undersea cable connecting us to the mainland.
Steve
On 5/5/23 7:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
I do remember the bad old days, when even a leased
line was
insufficiently fast or reliable to send a quantity of data. I recall
many times taking the "noon balloon" out of San Jose with my Samsonite
carry-on case and not so much as a toothbrush. On arrival, turn the
contents of the case over to someone waiting at the gate, and catch the
next flight home with an empty case.
My case, which I still have, comfortably accommodates six 10.5" reels of
tape.
I remember flying on an USAF general's plane with several 844 disk
packs. One time, I forgot my B-area badge, so the general gave me his.
Nobody saluted, however.
--Chuck
4:26 a.m.
The iconic quote was Tannenbaum's "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a
station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway."
On Fri, 5 May 2023, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote:
There used to be a running joke in the test center on
Kwajalein Atoll about
the C141 full of mission tapes having a higher bit rate than the undersea
cable connecting us to the mainland.
Steve
7 May
7 May
3:20 p.m.
I believe it was Henry Spenser at a USENIX conference that said “Never underestimate the
bandwidth of a station wagon filled with mag tape”.
David
On May 5, 2023, at 8:59 PM, steve shumaker via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
There used to be a running joke in the test center on Kwajalein Atoll about the C141 full
of mission tapes having a higher bit rate than the undersea cable connecting us to the
mainland.
Steve
On 5/5/23 7:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
I do remember the bad old days, when even a
leased line was
insufficiently fast or reliable to send a quantity of data. I recall
many times taking the "noon balloon" out of San Jose with my Samsonite
carry-on case and not so much as a toothbrush. On arrival, turn the
contents of the case over to someone waiting at the gate, and catch the
next flight home with an empty case.
My case, which I still have, comfortably accommodates six 10.5" reels of
tape.
I remember flying on an USAF general's plane with several 844 disk
packs. One time, I forgot my B-area badge, so the general gave me his.
Nobody saluted, however.
--Chuck
3:35 p.m.
Chuck,
Did you at least get a bag peanuts on the flight?
Ken
On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 11:20 AM David Barto via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
I believe it was Henry Spenser at a USENIX conference
that said “Never
underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with mag tape”.
David
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JOB TERMINATED Okey Dokey
On May 5, 2023, at 8:59 PM, steve shumaker via
cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
There used to be a running joke in the test center on Kwajalein Atoll
about the C141 full of mission tapes having a higher bit rate than the
undersea cable connecting us to the mainland.
Steve
On 5/5/23 7:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
I do remember the bad old days, when even a
leased line was
insufficiently fast or reliable to send a quantity of data. I recall
many times taking the "noon balloon" out of San Jose with my Samsonite
carry-on case and not so much as a toothbrush. On arrival, turn the
contents of the case over to someone waiting at the gate, and catch the
next flight home with an empty case.
My case, which I still have, comfortably accommodates six 10.5" reels of
tape.
I remember flying on an USAF general's plane with several 844 disk
packs. One time, I forgot my B-area badge, so the general gave me his.
Nobody saluted, however.
--Chuck
4:50 p.m.
On 5/7/23 08:35, KenUnix via cctalk wrote:
Chuck,
Did you at least get a bag peanuts on the flight?
It was always a dinner flight, so I had my choice of chicken or mystery
meat (the flight attendants called it that). If I was able to make
reservations, I usually specified the kosher meal--better than warmed
over TV dinners.
--Chuck
6:58 p.m.
Did you ever choose the mystery meal?
Regards,
Tarek Hoteit
On May 7, 2023, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 5/7/23 08:35, KenUnix via cctalk wrote:
Chuck,
Did you at least get a bag peanuts on the flight?
It was always a dinner flight, so I had my choice of chicken or mystery
meat (the flight attendants called it that). If I was able to make
reservations, I usually specified the kosher meal--better than warmed
over TV dinners.
--Chuck
11:08 p.m.
Salisbury is the place in England where they used to dump the unusable
remnants of the animals that went to slaughter.
Sellam
On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 12:18 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 5/7/23 11:58, Tarek Hoteit via cctalk wrote:
Did you ever choose the mystery meal?
Regards,
Tarek Hoteit
Only if it was the only choice left. On the menu, I think it was called
"salisbury steak"
--Chuck
11:16 p.m.
On 2023-05-07 19:08, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
Salisbury is the place in England where they used to
dump the unusable
remnants of the animals that went to slaughter.
Sellam
On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 12:18 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 5/7/23 11:58, Tarek Hoteit via cctalk wrote:
>> Did you ever choose the mystery meal?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tarek Hoteit
> Only if it was the only choice left. On the menu, I think it was called
> "salisbury steak"
>
> --Chuck
>
>
Is that the plain truth?
Sorry, couldn't resist!
Nigel
--
Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU
Amateur Radio, the origin of the open-source concept!
Skype: TILBURY2591
2 Oct
2 Oct
9:08 a.m.
The main problem with that lorry hurtling down the freeway is
latency.....
I need to move 1 PB ..... how long will it take filling and packing
enough IBM LTO-9 tapes to send 1 PB ?
How long does it takes to fill 1 tape with 18 TB ?
10:11 a.m.
LTO-9 is probably not the best route for "Sneakernet" transfers. When
Tanenbaum uttered that famous quote, tape was still relatively fast (at
least sequentially), as well as it having unparalleled capacity.
Nowadays, if you were to do large-but-fast data transfers, i'd chuck all
the data on a large SAN and put that in the back of the van. Amazon AWS
offer a similar product when moving data from one place to another.
Of course, if you had enough LTO-9 drives to load/unload data all in
parallel, the transfer time would probably be in the same ballpark as
the SAN. But keeping the data synced would be a nightmare, and all those
LTO-9 drives would be horrendously expensive.
Yes, a van full of data hurtling down the highway will still have much
more bandwidth than an internet connection, but nowadays what's in the
back of the van is unlikely to be tape.
Cheers,
Josh Rice
------ Original Message ------
From: "Stefan Skoglund via cctalk" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
To: david(a)kdbarto.org; "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Cc: "Stefan Skoglund" <stefan.skoglund(a)agj.net>
Sent: Monday, 2 Oct, 2023 At 10:08
Subject: [cctalk] Re: The World Wide Web
The main problem with that lorry hurtling down the freeway is
latency.....
I need to move 1 PB ..... how long will it take filling and packing
enough IBM LTO-9 tapes to send 1 PB ?
How long does it takes to fill 1 tape with 18 TB ?
10:25 a.m.
Stefan,
Back it up to floppy diskettes.
HaHa. Sorry I could not resist.
-Ken
On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 5:18 AM Stefan Skoglund via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
The main problem with that lorry hurtling down the
freeway is
latency.....
I need to move 1 PB ..... how long will it take filling and packing
enough IBM LTO-9 tapes to send 1 PB ?
How long does it takes to fill 1 tape with 18 TB ?
--
End of line
JOB TERMINATED
7:15 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 5:18 AM Stefan Skoglund via
cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The main problem with that lorry hurtling down the freeway is latency.....
>
> I need to move 1 PB ..... how long will it take filling and packing
> enough IBM LTO-9 tapes to send 1 PB ?
>
> How long does it takes to fill 1 tape with 18 TB ?
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023, KenUnix via cctalk wrote:
Back it up to floppy diskettes.
HaHa. Sorry I could not resist.
Far too unstable and prone to damage and data corruption.
Use dead-tree technology of cards or paper tape.
If you use cards, put diagonal sharpie marks on the decks, to facilitate
visual re-ordering after the crash on the freeway.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
9:14 p.m.
I remember making those lines, but they were more for a crash across the
room on the way from the 082 sorter to the 077 collator.
Gawd, I still remember those numbers, some 60 years later; so why can't I
remember my thirty-year old cell phone number...
On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 3:15 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
wrote:
On Mon, Oct 2,
2023 at 5:18 AM Stefan Skoglund via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The main problem with that lorry hurtling down the freeway is
latency.....
>
> I need to move 1 PB ..... how long will it take filling and packing
> enough IBM LTO-9 tapes to send 1 PB ?
>
> How long does it takes to fill 1 tape with 18 TB ?
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023, KenUnix via cctalk wrote:
Back it up to floppy diskettes.
HaHa. Sorry I could not resist.
Far too unstable and prone to damage and data corruption.
Use dead-tree technology of cards or paper tape.
If you use cards, put diagonal sharpie marks on the decks, to facilitate
visual re-ordering after the crash on the freeway.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
10:36 p.m.
Mike wrote:
...
Gawd, I still remember those numbers, some 60 years later; so why can't I remember my
thirty-year old cell phone number...
Because you rarely, if ever, call it. ;-)
10:41 p.m.
On 2023-10-02 4:36 p.m., Rick Bensene via cctalk wrote:
Mike wrote:
...
Gawd, I still remember those numbers, some 60 years later; so why can't I remember my
thirty-year old cell phone number...
Because you rarely, if ever, call it. ;-)
I never could figure out how to call myself, so I have no need to
remember it.
BTW the last time I have seen a phone book was about 25 years ago.
3 Oct
3 Oct
1:24 a.m.
I have to call it every time I misplace it in the house somewhere ;-) Never
in the fridge yet, so far...
Golden years, my derriere!
On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 6:37 PM Rick Bensene via cctalk <
cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Mike wrote:
...
Gawd, I still remember those numbers, some 60 years later; so why can't I
remember my thirty-year old cell phone number...
Because you rarely, if ever, call it. ;-)
2 Oct
2 Oct
10:37 p.m.
On 2023-10-02 1:15 p.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
Also EAST / WEST , in case of data collision. :)
On Mon, Oct 2,
2023 at 5:18 AM Stefan Skoglund via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
> The main problem with that lorry hurtling down the freeway is
> latency.....
>
> I need to move 1 PB ..... how long will it take filling and packing
> enough IBM LTO-9 tapes to send 1 PB ?
>
> How long does it takes to fill 1 tape with 18 TB ?
On Mon, 2 Oct 2023, KenUnix via cctalk wrote:
Back it up to floppy diskettes.
HaHa. Sorry I could not resist.
Far too unstable and prone to damage and data corruption.
Use dead-tree technology of cards or paper tape.
If you use cards, put diagonal sharpie marks on the decks, to facilitate
visual re-ordering after the crash on the freeway.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
6 May
6 May
4:38 a.m.
On 2023-05-05 8:39 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
I do remember the bad old days, when even a leased
line was
insufficiently fast or reliable to send a quantity of data. I recall
many times taking the "noon balloon" out of San Jose with my Samsonite
carry-on case and not so much as a toothbrush. On arrival, turn the
contents of the case over to someone waiting at the gate, and catch the
next flight home with an empty case.
My case, which I still have, comfortably accommodates six 10.5" reels of
tape.
I remember flying on an USAF general's plane with several 844 disk
packs. One time, I forgot my B-area badge, so the general gave me his.
Nobody saluted, however.
--Chuck
And us POOR people get the Station Wagon. I remember them as a kid,
but they have been replaced by king cabs. Ben.
6:06 a.m.
AT&T recently ran a fiber line along the boulevard adjacent to the farm.
The hold-up in ordering service is that they want a state-issued
identification, which I don't have, and don't want to have. Their most
incredibly obnoxiously stupid reason for this is (and I kid you not) "you
will have our modem". Oh, I'm sorry, are you worried about your stupid $15
piece of plastic from China? No, it's not that, it's something sinister,
and the rep is either told to give a stupid answer or truly believes the
stupid answer they were told to give.
I can easily get around the issue, but then, I've really always hated AT&T,
because Ma Bell birthed Big Brother, and I'm sure that's the real reason
they want to know who is connecting up to their service. I invested much
time and trouble over the years getting away from them, only to eventually
end up back under AT&T after they gobbled up every provider I signed up
with to get away from them. This latest episode reminds me why I always
tried to stay away from that garbage corporation.
That being said, it's really hard to justify sticking with my shitty
cellphone service as my internet gateway when I'm being tempted with cheap
300Mpbs bandwidth. The 5G "upgrade" was just a bait & switch: reception
is
no better than with the old 4G/LTE service, and dropouts as just as
frequent.
All these corporations are damned dirty shit-eating liars.
This thread is thoroughly off-topic, but since we're here, I needed to vent.
Sellam
On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 9:38 PM ben via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 2023-05-05 8:39 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
I do remember the bad old days, when even a
leased line was
insufficiently fast or reliable to send a quantity of data. I recall
many times taking the "noon balloon" out of San Jose with my Samsonite
carry-on case and not so much as a toothbrush. On arrival, turn the
contents of the case over to someone waiting at the gate, and catch the
next flight home with an empty case.
My case, which I still have, comfortably accommodates six 10.5" reels of
tape.
I remember flying on an USAF general's plane with several 844 disk
packs. One time, I forgot my B-area badge, so the general gave me his.
Nobody saluted, however.
--Chuck
And us POOR people get the Station Wagon. I remember them as a kid,
but they have been replaced by king cabs. Ben.
5 May
5 May
8:30 p.m.
On Fri, May 5, 2023, at 10:44 AM, ben via cctalk wrote:
How ever the people still use them. Fast internet is
only good about 1?
km from
the router. Other than Netflix or Multiplayer games, what is really high
speed internet needed for?
Ben.
When I had 1200 baud I wanted 2400. When I had 2400 baud I wanted 9600. When I had 9600 I
wanted 14.4, then 56K, then I wanted a leased line, then I wanted a T1 but had to settle
for ADSL. When I had ADSL I wanted SDSL, when I had SDSL I wanted 10 Mbit, then 25 Mbit. A
few years back when Comcast screwed me over I got 100Mbit municipal fiber to the house,
then upgraded to symmetric gigabit a while later. I'll always take more, and I'm
not ashamed of it! I work from home, it's nice to know I can be on a video meeting
with 15 people and still download an ISO image in a few seconds while someone else in the
house games or watches videos.
-Seth
--
Seth Morabito * Poulsbo, WA * https://loomcom.com/
4 May
4 May
4:08 p.m.
On Thu, May 4, 2023, 6:59 AM geneb via cctalk <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Wed, 3 May 2023, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
Sadly, the node lists are super out of date...
Warner
g.
Don't forget fidonet (a network of bulletin
board systems).
FidoNet is still a thing too. I'm the NC of Net 138. (which sadly, is now
just myself and a couple of other nodes.)
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
5:09 p.m.
On Thu, 4 May 2023, Warner Losh wrote:
On Thu, May 4, 2023, 6:59 AM geneb via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
Are you getting a current one? The ones I get are up to date.
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
On Wed, 3 May 2023, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
Sadly, the node lists are super out of date...
Don't forget fidonet (a network of bulletin
board systems).
FidoNet is still a thing too. I'm the NC of Net 138. (which sadly, is now
just myself and a couple of other nodes.)
5:26 p.m.
Fidonet is def. a thing. There is a New Zealand group- FSXnet - that I found when
researching how to actually _join_ a Fidonet network. Docs for this from the pov of
someone that has never done it are few. I.E. it seem very hard to find direction to join
into Fidonet unless you are already there.
https://fsxnet.nz/fsxnet/join
This was done because I am setting up a BBS on a Macintosh SE running System 6. There is a
modern BBS being written today (in C) called SubText BBS that can connect up to Fidonet (I
connected to FSX net after signing up and getting a node assignment.). It's cool to
get the network messages from all over the globe on your local BBS.
https://jcs.org/subtext
My BBS is up: telnet to-> bbs.diller.org login as guest. It's running on a SE w/
4MB ram.
Setting this up and getting things going was a fun diversion and using a Mac SE for it was
a blast as well.
On Fidonet? Send me some mail: massive@21:3/178
thanks,
-andy
On May 4, 2023, at 8:59 AM, geneb via cctalk
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> wrote:
On Wed, 3 May 2023, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:
Don't forget fidonet (a network of bulletin
board systems).
FidoNet is still a thing too. I'm the NC of Net 138. (which sadly, is now
just myself and a couple of other nodes.)
g.
--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies.
ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
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